Hi! This is a blog for a handful of alters. We may post our collective system blog later. For now, we will keep it separate.
This blog is for those of us who have wanted to enter into syscourse and state our opinions (including non system related opinions). It has been decided to keep syscourse off of the collective blog, so this blog was made as a compromise. This blog will also be used for potentially "controversial" takes that the host is too scared of harassment to have on their main blog.
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This blog is strictly anti endo.
We are also
1. Anti radqueer/transids. Anyone who suffers from BIID is, of course, allowed as long as they don't identify with these communities.
2. Pro educated self dx. As long as you do your research. Social media does not count
3. Supportive of all neurodivergencies. And do not support Cluster B abuse believers. No ableism is allowed on this blog
4. Pro good faith labels. Including but not limited to:
a) Xenogenders and neopronouns
b) Mspec lesbians and lesboys
c) Other contradictory labels
5. Pro alterhuman/otherkin and otherkith identities.
6. Pro pet/agere and pet/age dreaming.
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Honestly, hot take i guess, but I despise the term "stealth privilege." (There is a long list of terms I hate because people love slapping "privilege" onto everything as a buzzword, but I especially hate stealth privilege. I also consider "passing privilege" as a part of this, especially since some seem to use them interchangeably and they both follow similar thought processes).
Many posts even point out the fact that it's a very difficult thing to receive, specifying the list of requirements with a "You know what I meant" when it's pointed out just how specific they have to be.
But fine, let's say someone fits the very very specific situation to receive "stealth privilege".
Let's say hypothetically they want to be perceived as a binary gender, use binary pronouns only, are post gender affirming surgery (and that they both wanted and could get it), went on hrt (or could pass without it), got their documents changed, have moved away from anyone/anywhere that new them pre transition, etc. (And that they live in a place where all of this was possible, could afford it, were safe to do so, etc. Very specific situation, isn't it?)
But yeah, let's say they fit the "stealth privilege" scenario. Do people think that your history just... disappears? Not only is "stealth" very easy to lose - a singular overheard phone call, a misspoken or malicious word from a visitor who knew them before, someone attempts to blackmail them or purposefully out them, a pre transition photo being seen, etc - but its also essentially impossible to be fully stealth.
Example: medical environments have your entire medical history, including gender affirming surgeries and pre transition information, so your doctor will know. Meaning that even a fully stealth person can face transphobia and the medical neglect/abuse that can stem from that. But most discussions of "stealth privilege" don't want to talk about that.
Similar thing with prisons, and we already know how many prisons like to treat trans folks.
And not every situation allows you to fully disconnect from your past. Let's hope that your current place of work/schooling etc doesn't need to contact somewhere you where pre transition. If they do, hope they both support and don't say anything that gives it away.
I mean, literally anywhere that has access to your full medical history you won't be able to be stealth with. Whether it's college or a very restrictive job, or anything else. Perhaps you will be able to be stealth with your peers, but higher ups may be aware and act accordingly to their beliefs.
As I said, it's essentially impossible to be fully stealth and "stealth privilege" requires those with that information to not use it against you. So "stealth privilege" doesn't just require many specifics to have, but also isn't even applicable in many situations. Yet many use "stealth privilege" to discount people's experiences and ignore the fact that someone stealth can still face transphobia.
And that's not even branching into the fact that for many, if not most, people stealth is not a privilege but a survival requirement.
How is it privilege to have to hide who you are just to be treated like a human being?
I just think it's a disgusting term that fundamentally misunderstands trans experiences. But that's just my opinion.
Endos have demedicalized cdds so much in their head that even symptoms of the disorder make you an endo. Iâm so tired of people claiming CDD systems real symptoms are proof of being an endo. You are an idiot who doesnât know how the damn disorder works.
PT: An ask that reads: my hot take is a loooot of antis have endo n willo headmates. they dont know it but they do. a guy might just show up due to something mildly stressful but not traumatic, guess what? ENDO. OOOOOH SCARY. /END ID
"mildly stressful" is also stress. stress = reason to split an alter, especially for systems with lower split tolerance...
it doesnt need trauma for alters to split, alters can even split for positive stress reasons... that doesnt make anyone an endo or a willo... these people really have no idea how these things work but then claim they have any idea whatsoever, its pathetic hahaha...
Endos would go wild if they heard about our one alter who formed because another alter purposefully exposed us to some of our triggers because he wanted to try and force a split. Plot twist- he got this idea by consuming willo content and decided he wanted to do it. Guess he was hoping he could get another alter who shared his ideologies or something.
Didn't work because you can't "will" an alter and he had no control over what we split.
But tell that to endos and they'd probably insist that the alter we split just has to be a "willo" alter. (Despite the fact that they formed because he, you know, stressed us the fuck out)
But yeah endos aren't spreading misinformation or hurting pwCDDs or anything/sar
I keep getting anti-contradictory label folk on my page good lord
I keep forgetting thereâs people that are obsessed with what people identify with in good faith and when itâs completely harmless, kinda sad to see to be honest
If anyone whoâs been following me and has this stance, you may wanna unfollow me. I talk about my pro-contradictory label stance a lot. Iâm also a transmasc multigender gaybian. Woooo scary. Am I scary to you. Am I.
Not like I can force you to, I do not care, just a fair warning
HI UH. IF ITS NOT OKAY TO DO THIS ON YOUR BLOG, FEEL FREE TO DELETE THIS!!
But we've been wanting to hear about the anti endo communities CDD headcanons!!!! And we were thinking about making a blog to share ours and share others' through reblogs, asks, and submissions!!
We just basically want to do an interest check, would anyone here be interested in that sort of blog?
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OMG OMG YES PLEASE DO I HAVE SO MANY HEADCANONS I LOVE MY SLOP AND PROJECTING SYSTEMHOOD ONTO CHARACTERS FROM MY SLOP
Wait, I actually really really want to hear more about your P-DID House head cannon. (If you have any specifics. Also would this be easier to send as an ask?)
But seriously I actually think it's really cool (especially considering we (think) at one point we had a House introject. He might still be hanging out idk. But still) Oh I'm rambling now lol. Feel free to ignore.
i headcanon as a factive heavy p-did system. im projecting when i say i intepret the hallucinations of amber, cuddy and kutner as alters (i know it would be problematic representation if it was real but.. i love my projection.
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HI UH. IF ITS NOT OKAY TO DO THIS ON YOUR BLOG, FEEL FREE TO DELETE THIS!!
But we've been wanting to hear about the anti endo communities CDD headcanons!!!! And we were thinking about making a blog to share ours and share others' through reblogs, asks, and submissions!!
We just basically want to do an interest check, would anyone here be interested in that sort of blog?
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OMG OMG YES PLEASE DO I HAVE SO MANY HEADCANONS I LOVE MY SLOP AND PROJECTING SYSTEMHOOD ONTO CHARACTERS FROM MY SLOP
Wait, I actually really really want to hear more about your P-DID House head cannon. (If you have any specifics. Also would this be easier to send as an ask?)
But seriously I actually think it's really cool (especially considering we (think) at one point we had a House introject. He might still be hanging out idk. But still) Oh I'm rambling now lol. Feel free to ignore.
Oh I'm soooo tempted to make an anti willo verse blog.
It'd probably be a sideblog to this so I wouldn't be able to follow anyone from it or whatever. Which kinda sad the limits it would have but I can't justify making a whole new email when I've already got so many main blogs I barely use lmao.
Potential new side blog then. Still debating. One fictive seems pretty excited by the idea. Might check to see if there is an awv blog of him yet. Still debating.
Idk the community just seems really cool. (And selfishly I kinda want the hate/attention a lot of them get)
But yeah... I'll have to debate this and chat with that fictive a bit more
Edit: we did end up making it. Didn't debate for long, lol. Welp.
Side blog is @anti-willo-jax if anyone cares to check it out.
I wanted to talk about something weâve noticed since being on this app because frankly, itâs become impossible not to notice.
Apparently every other community on this app is allowed to exist like a normal group of people, meanwhile the DID community acts like every single post has to pass through some invisible quality control committee before itâs âacceptableâ to tag.
People in fandoms post about their breakfast. Artists post about their pets. Writers post about random life updates. Chronically ill people post memes, aesthetics, daily experiences, and unrelated nonsense constantly. Nobody throws a fit over it because normal people understand that communities are made up of actual human beings, not automated information kiosks.
But the second someone with DID posts something that is not an educational dissertation on trauma, suddenly people start whining about âirrelevant contentâ cluttering the tags.
Why do you care that much? Genuinely.
And before someone pulls the âwell people use the tags for research, advice, support, and resourcesâ argument, spare me. If you desperately need answers immediately, Google exists. Medical Books exist. Medical journals exist. Therapists exist. Other search functions exist. You are not entitled to strangers turning their personal blogs into unpaid educational services for your convenience.
It is not the DID communityâs responsibility to spoon-feed you information about your disorder every hour of the day.
People with DID are allowed to exist casually online. Shocking concept, I know.
DID impacts the way people think, communicate, behave, socialize, remember things, process emotions, and interact with literally every aspect of their lives. Of course people are going to tag unrelated posts with DID tags. Their disorder does not magically shut off the second they stop discussing symptoms directly.
Sometimes a post is tagged because the writing style reflects dissociation. Sometimes it is tagged because a specific alter wrote it. Sometimes it is tagged because the experience was shaped by the disorder even if the post itself is not educational. Sometimes people just want other systems to see it.
None of that is a crime.
The Tumblr DID community was never created exclusively for educational content. Yes, support and advice are part of it. Nobody is denying that. But somewhere along the way people started acting like systems are only allowed to speak if they're actively teaching, explaining, or justifying themselves.
That is absurd.
The point of communities like this was originally to find people similar to yourself. To interact with people who understood what it was like to live this way. To exist in a space where you did not have to constantly censor yourself to appear ânormalâ enough for outsiders.
It was not created so some of you could micromanage what traumatized people are âallowedâ to post.
You do not own the DID tags. You do not get to dictate what qualifies as âappropriateâ DID content.
And frankly, some of you seem deeply uncomfortable with the idea that people with DID are actual people outside of being educational resources. You want systems to sit quietly in the corner until they're needed to answer questions, provide advice, explain symptoms, or validate someone elseâs experience. The second they post something casual, humorous, emotional, aesthetic, personal, or completely unrelated, suddenly it becomes âattention seekingâ or âtag pollution.â
That sounds like a you problem.
If seeing non-informative posts in the DID tags genuinely upsets you that much, block the person posting. Post about your own experience. Find a forum specifically dedicated to clinical discussion. Make your own resource blog. Nobody is stopping you.
But expecting an entire community to restructure itself around your personal preferences is ridiculous. Tumblr has never worked that way and it never will.
People are going to continue tagging posts however they want because again, DID affects their entire lives. Their thoughts. Their behavior. Their communication. Their identity. Their social experiences. Everything.
You are not required to enjoy that. You are also not entitled to control it.
And if casual community interaction bothers you to the point where you cannot handle seeing systems talk about literally anything besides trauma and symptoms, then maybe the problem isn't the community.
Maybe it's you. Maybe you donât actually want a community. You just want a database. And that's not what this is.
This community exists so people with DID can find other people with DID. That is the foundation of it. Human connection. Shared experiences. A place where people do not have to constantly explain themselves to outsiders who will either infantilize them, mock them, or treat them like some kind of psychological spectacle.
It was never created so random strangers could walk in expecting free labor from every system they come across.
And again, before someone intentionally misreads this, advice and support absolutely happen here. Nobody is denying that. Communities naturally help each other. That is normal. But there is a massive difference between support happening voluntarily and people acting entitled to it.
Some of you treat the DID community less like a community and more like a customer service desk.
You ask a question and suddenly expect complete strangers to educate you, reassure you, analyze your experiences, help you figure out your symptoms, validate your identity, explain your dissociation, explain your alters, explain your memory issues, and somehow provide perfectly accurate mental health guidance while also never making mistakes.
Do you hear how unreasonable that sounds?
People with DID are not professionals simply because they have DID. Having a disorder does not magically turn someone into a licensed specialist. It does not make them your therapist. It does not make them medically reliable. It does not mean they owe you explanations. And frankly, some of you put far too much weight on random Tumblr posts written by traumatized strangers at three in the morning.
Someone sharing their personal experience is not the same thing as clinical fact. Someone saying âthis happened to meâ is not them diagnosing you. Someone giving casual advice is not equivalent to treatment.
And some people do not want to provide support at all because they're exhausted, unstable, overwhelmed, private, uninterested, or simply because they donât owe strangers emotional labor.
That should not be controversial.
Not everyone with DID even can help you. Some people are barely managing their own symptoms. Some people are deeply dissociated. Some people struggle with communication. Some people intentionally avoid giving advice because they know how dangerous misinformation can become online.
Yet somehow people still act offended when systems do not want their blogs turned into unpaid therapy offices.
It is unbelievably entitled.
And all of this circles back to the original point.
It genuinely does not matter if someone posts ânon-DID contentâ while using DID tags. If they have DID, then their disorder inherently affects how they interact with the world, how they express themselves, and how they exist online.
Their blog does not have to transform into a sterile educational archive just because you personally searched a tag expecting only resources.
People with DID are allowed to joke. They're allowed to post art. They're allowed to post aesthetics, life updates, opinions, memes, arguments, interests, hobbies, and completely unrelated nonsense.
They're allowed to exist as people first.
And if someone with DID chooses to tag those posts with DID tags because their disorder influences the way they communicate or because they want other systems to see their content, that is entirely their choice.
You are not harmed by seeing a post that is not tailored specifically to your needs.
Curate your own internet experience like everyone else does.
Block people. Filter tags. Follow resource blogs. Find support groups specifically designed for education and advice. There are countless ways to tailor your online experience without demanding an entire community change how it functions to accommodate you personally.
At the end of the day, people with DID do not stop being people just because they joined a DID community.
And some of you desperately need to remember that.
The problem with being low support needs is that people mentally autocorrect that to âno support needsâ and then proceed to give you absolutely nothing and then get surprised when you implode after six months.
It's probably already obvious that I'm against tme/tma usage, and I could make a whole post about why I'm against that. (For any bad faith readers, I mean the tme/tma binary. I fully support the usage of the term transmisogyny and am aware of its existence)
But potentially I could have been convinced if it wasn't often used as an "us versus them" kinda thing. (I'd probably still have some criticisms, but I'd be much more open).
That being said, I've def guaranteed that I'm not in support of it. Hell, I don't think I've ever been closer to just deleting tumblr after something i saw. What was it i saw?
More than one person saying that intersex people are privileged. (They also mention nonbinary people being privileged, but what I've personally seen more often is the mention of intersex folks)
These posts were defending tme/tma usage and brought up the argument that many use about how that binary is exorsexist/intersexist. Some did argue about how there are transfem nonbinary and intersex folks (true. But also a big oversimplification)
Then they mentioned that intersex people are actually privileged since they can, and this is a genuine thing I read in one of the posts "say their not a [trans slur]" (i have decided not to add the slur to the main body. I did tag it but id rather just keep it beneath the read more part. It will be included in the photos I'm including at the end. I will also trigger warn before I add them)
First off, gross oversimplification. And second
Holy shit!?!? How did we get to the point where "intersex people are privileged" is a thing people are willing to post. (Well, actually? This sounds like the type of shit people are trying to argue a lot, actually. I think this tme/tma stuff is just what brought it to my view).
But seriously? Intersex folks are privileged? IGM is a "privilege"? Intersexism is a privilege? Medical abuse/neglect is a privilege? Shall I go on?
Seriously. Wtf?
Already see the people arguing that I took the post the wrong way and that they aren't actually claiming intersex folks are privileged. But some of these people seem to actually believe that they are. And as said, I've only screen shotted one of the posts I saw.
Also, we need to put the term "privilege" on a fucking shelf.
Oh and just rereading one of the posts I screenshotted (only did screen shot the one), the post also tries to control what terms intersex folks can use, being against afab transfems. (If another term should be used, let me know and I'll edit)
The post just rubbed me the wrong way. All of them did, but the one I captured especially did. Idk, maybe I'm being overly sensitive? But I do think it's kinda off
Adding the photo now. As stated, it includes the t slur. I did not blur the blog name so that they can be blocked if still active. Obligatory "I do not condone harassment/ do not harass. Just block"
Alt text included, any discrepancies within the alt text was unintentional.
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I do support anti endo systems with pro endo parts essspecially (especially) if their prosecutors or some variation of that.
It sucks, believe me, we know. It's not your fault their like that, it's nice t your fault they have opinions that may/will harm your system. Do what you can.
Even if it's just making them a separate little blog so they stop putting their tags on the blog or whatever. It's alright. :)
A common thing I see in a lot of discourse relating to minorities and such is the misconception of just what "invisibility" means.
Many seem to be of the idea that invisibility is a privilege, but that is simply because they don't understand just what is being talked about when a minority group talks about their invisibility.
In discussions like these, invisibility isn't used to mean "left alone". It is used to mean "not discussed." Often times invisibility is used to discuss lack of support, not lack of oppression.
These groups are still being oppressed and harmed, it's just that no one is discussing it. That these groups are being silenced and talked over. And that always comes to mind when I see someone complain about a group having "invisibility privilege". It isn't a privilege, it's a method of control and isolation. Society is able to isolate these groups by simply not drawing attention to the discrimination they face, and the concept of "invisibility privilege" aids that.
The reason you think these groups aren't oppressed is because no one is talking about them. Because they are able to be brutalized, murdered, harassed, etc, without a single word. And that perpetuates the cycle because the lack of mention is used to "prove" they aren't oppressed and therefore don't need support, etc, etc.
So next time you see a group talk about how they are invisible, instead of going "Oh how privileged", question how much they suffered in silence. And then speak up. Don't let a single community die in silence.
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As an autistic system I do notice that the way endos/ntgs view/treat plurality/systems is very similar to how (mostly allistic but sometimes autistic folks too) view and treat autism.
"It's not a disability it's a superpower! You're not disabled your differently abled! Everyone's a little bit on the spectrum! Oh yeah I'm sooo autistic" autism has been made something cute and quirky. Men are wanting "autistic" girlfriends but I'm sure if a real autistic woman was anywhere near them they'd revert back to bully they were in middleschool. Traits like stimming and special interests are romanticised, while the more "ugly" parts are all ignored and forgotten. White autistics with Lower supports needs are centred and most often leave their POC and higher supports needs siblings behind and/or speak over them.
DID too has suffered from being sensationalised and glamorized, the alters/multiplicity aspect has been romanticised and taken by outsiders while the "ugly" parts have been left out and forgotten. "Plurality isn't a disorder it's just some vague phenomena anyone can experience! If you wish you were a system, now you can be!" It's just a quirky identity stripped of it's "baggage". Plural communities constantly decentre CDD systems, their most vulnerable group, we are not listened to because our disorder isn't pretty, because we don't want our experiences and language appropriated , because we don't abide by their idealised version of Plurality and blindly agree with their community.
The "tiktokification" of autism does not represent me, the "tiktokification" of systems doesn't either. I'm not against sharing the good parts of your disorder/disability but you must remember it IS a disorder/disability. There is also nothing wrong with relating to traits of a disorder without having it. But,once again, do not speak over us!!
(Sorry if what's written I all over the place, the post was started by one alter and its been a few day I've decided to finish it and post it. I hope what we've written makes sense. Be kind and have a lovely day)
irritating as fuck when people get mad at Black people existing in premodern historical fiction/fantasy media. like first of all, you're racist. and second of all, you are acting as though Black people didn't exist in premodern Europe which is simply false. especially when we're talking about the Mediterranean, like what the fuck do you people think is along the southern half of the Mediterranean Ocean?? everyone's on boats, there are GOING to be interactions with Black people in Northern Africa, and there are GOING to be Black people in Mediterranean Europe. stop being stupid. your imagined homogeneous white European past is not historical reality, get over it you massive losers
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hii!!
this isn't meant to be mean or anything, but do you have sources for the fact endos started as a hate group?
HELLO ANON!!! It's not mean at all and I'm very happy you're asking for sources! This is gonna be a bit long as its a timeline and its sources.
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1989â1994: Early CDD Newsletters, Forums, and Online Communities
1989: Many Voices
Many Voices was established in 1989 as the first newsletter created specifically for people with complex dissociative disorders (pwCDDs). Although it remains available online today, it is no longer actively updated.
1991: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery (ASAR)
The Usenet group alt.sexual.abuse.recovery was created in 1991. It became home to a large community of CDD systems.
1994: ASARian Incorporated
In 1994, alt.sexual.abuse.recovery evolved into ASARian Incorporated. ASARian provided peer support, web hosting, unix shell accounts, and resources for people with DID/MPD
1994: alt.support.dissociation
Also in 1994, the Usenet group alt.support.dissociation was created. It would go on to become the longest-running support group for people with dissociative disorders. The website remains active, but the last post was made in 2024 as Usenet had declined in its own usage.
1995â1997: Astraea's Web and the Emergence of Non-Disordered Plurality
Astraea's Website
In 1995, Astraea launched what is considered the first website dedicated to discussing non-disordered plurality. This was the first known website to explicitly address plurality outside of a clinical or disorder-based framework.
Coining of Natural Multiplicity
Around 1996, Astraea introduced the term natural multiplicity. The concept proposed that having multiple personalities was not inherently disordered. Instead, it was framed as a naturally occurring phenomenon that could arise spontaneously, rather than solely through trauma or dissociation. You can find the archive here.
Criticism of Astraea's Web
While initially appealing to some, Astraea's work has been heavily criticized. Critics argue that its sources and rhetoric reflect of extreme ableism, saneism, and dangerous ideological positions that have caused lasting harm There have also been highly credible claims of plagiarism, misattribution, and strong anti-psychiatry bias.
Every source is here, here, here, and here
Astraea's Web is widely regarded as the starting point of what would later become the endogenic community.
1996â1999: The Development of Mid-Continuum
Sometime in 1996, an early internet plural named Vickis coined the term mid-continuum. The label quickly gained popularity among both dissociative and non-dissociative plural people.
Mid-continuum was rooted in the dissociative continuum model developed by Braun in 1988. Braun's model conceptualized dissociation as existing on a spectrum ranging from: normal experiences (such as daydreaming or zoning out) to polyfragmented DID at the far end. By 1997 and earlier, many DID-focused websitesâincluding Astraea's Webâwere sharing and discussing this model.
Archive of article by Joan A. Turkus, M.D. (1997)
Proof that this article was shared on Astraeaâs Web.
What Mid-Continuum Meant
1. It Was Based on a Psychological Model
Many people in the dissociative community identified with Braun's dissociative continuum. Vickis created the term for individuals who felt they fell somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. The label was referred to as 'mid-continuum dissociation' or simply mid-continuum for short. People using the label were often called mid-continuum dissociatives. Vickis later created a webpage devoted to the concept called The Wonderful World of the MidContinuum.
2. It Was Created for Dissociative People
In 1997, Vickis announced the new website on alt.support.dissociation. In that announcement, mid-continuum was explicitly described as a label for dissociative people who did not meet all criteria for DID. On the website, Vickis explained that mid-continuum applied to people who experienced dissociated parts, fell somewhere in the middle of Braun's dissociative continuumâThis included experiences ranging from different roles in different situations, inner children, ego states, parts or fragments that did not feel like whole people, and having some, but not all, diagnostic criteria for DID.
A quote from the homepage:
âEveryone dissociates. At one end of the dissociative continuum is ânormalâ or âcommonâ dissociation that nearly everyone engages in[âŠ] At the other end are the behaviors that characterize âclassicalâ multiples, who may have large numbers of very distinct insiders with little internal communication, serious difficulties with time loss, amnesia, and so on.
Between these two extremes, there is a lot of gray. Ranging from having different ârolesâ that you live out in different situations, to having an âinner childâ or âinner childrenâ with varying degrees of separateness, to having âego states,â âpartsâ or âfragmentsâ that donât seem to be whole people, to having some but not all of the diagnostic criteria for what is now known as DID[âŠ]â
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Message Archive
Mid-Continuum Website Archive
3. It Was Created Out of Respect for People with DID
At the time, DID was still commonly referred to as MPD or simply multiplicity within online dissociative communities. Vickis and others believed it would be disrespectful to call themselves multiple if they did not have DID. They felt that doing so could minimize the struggles of people with DID. This was a major reason for creating the mid-continuum label. Vickis specifically noted that they did not experience time loss, had never experienced amnesia in that way, did not have communication barriers between parts, and did not face the same struggles as those further along the dissociative continuum Because of this, they did not want to equate their experiences with those of people living with DID.
From their essay on the subject (here):
â[âŠ] someone elsewhere in this thread said something like âI donât want to call myself multiple because I donât want to minimize the sufferings of those who are really multipleâ. And I can really relate to that. Thatâs why I say Iâm not-quite-multiple usually. Because I donât lose time and never have, I canât possibly know what thatâs like⊠I donât have barriers that prevent communication between parts⊠I donât have the struggles that people who are further down the continuum from me have, and I would never want to minimize their issues by claiming that my own are the same.â
4. Mid-Continuum and OSDD
Much of Vickis' writing strongly resembles what is now recognized as OSDD (formerly DDNOS). However, OSDD/DDNOS was rarely mentioned directly in their earlier work. It might've been due to the lack of research surrounding OSDD thenâas it only was properly researched in the 2000's and 2010'sâand Vickis wanting to use a less clinical term.
In 1999, Vickis remarked that people identifying as mid-continuum often received an OSDD diagnosis if they pursued formal evaluation. This was only mentioned briefly.
Late 1990's: The Precursor to Median
Over several years, mid-continuum became increasingly popular across the internet. It attracted a broad range of people within plural communities. As the label grew, anti-DID/OSDD and anti-psychiatry communities began objecting to it. Their objections were largely tied to mid-continuum's origins in dissociative theory and psychology.
Dark Personalities listed many psychological terms as derogatory to empowered and natural multiples, including DID, alter, and host. Mid-continuum itself also became a target of criticism.
The Push for a Replacement Term
Dark Personalities stated: "Since many people feel the idea of a continuum to be inaccurate, many are seeking a new term instead of mid-continuum." This effort to replace mid-continuum would eventually lead, in the 2000s, to the rise of the term median.
2000s: Median Replaces Mid-Continuum
An anti-DID/OSDD organization later coined the term median as a replacement for mid-continuum. Median became significantly more popular. As a result, mid-continuum gradually fell out of common use.
On the Pavilion website, Astraeaâs Web wrote an essay on the midcontinuum and why they came up with the median label to replace it.
âItâs important to allow the concept to be inclusive of everyone who fits, regardless of past abuse history or origins, much as is currently being done for âmultiplicity.â With its roots in the abuse-dissociation model, midcontinuum is too limiting; it is no longer useful to us. Median creates a certain measure of psychological distance and gives the concept a fresh start, without the dissociative baggage of the past, and embraces all who feel they are more than one.â
(X X X)
ARCHIVE , ALSO APPLIED TO BELOW TIMELINE;
Pavillion's Policies Archive â "MPD/DID vs. Multiple"
Pavillion's Library Archive â "A brief history of Midcontinuum"
The Lancers' Codex â "Addressing the MPD/DID Issue"
2002â2007: The Rise of Median, Natural Multiplicity Activism, and Organized Anti-DID Campaigns
2003: Median Replaces Mid-Continuum
In 2003, the natural multiplicity organizations The Lancers and Pavilion Hall decided that mid-continuum was too rooted in psychology and dissociation. They argued that it was overly limiting because it was based on the abuse-dissociation model and did not adequately include people whose plurality was understood as non-traumagenic or non-dissociative.
As a result, they coined the term median to replace mid-continuum. Unlike mid-continuum, which was grounded in Braun's dissociative continuum model, median was intentionally broader and more abstract. Pavilion described plurality not as a linear spectrum, but as a sphere with infinitely many possible points, emphasizing fluidity, diversity, and nonlinear identity. According to their framework, someone could identify as median if they experienced themselves as multiple selves, but did not perceive those selves as fully independent.
This shift represented a significant philosophical departure. Mid-continuum had originally been created by dissociative people for dissociative people. Median, by contrast, was created by non-dissociative natural multiplicity advocates who believed mid-continuum was too psychologically grounded and insufficiently inclusive of their experiences.
Median and the Exclusion of DID/OSDD Systems
The Lancers and Pavilion Hall did not intend for people with DID or OSDD to use the median label. Their philosophy held that people with dissociative disorders were not truly plural, multiple, or median unless they no longer met diagnostic criteria. In their view, only "functional" and "non-disordered" individuals could properly claim these identities. If someone with DID or OSDD functioned according to their standards, they were considered no longer disordered.
Because their definitions of plurality and medianhood were often broad and vague, many people with DID and OSDD nevertheless identified with the concept despite the organizations' intentions.
1998â2014: Empowered Multiplicity, MultiGardens, and the Natural Multiplicity Movement
Empowered Multiplicity and MultiGardens
Out of the natural multiplicity movement emerged the concept of empowered multiplicity, which placed a strong emphasis on functionality and distinguished itself from what proponents called "survivor multiples."
In 1999, MultiGardens was established, though it was short-lived. Not long afterward, the person who coined the term "empowered multiplicity" stated that it had never been intended to exclude trauma survivors and that they had not meant to create so much conflict. Despite this, they continued to criticize survivors, as well as those who sought fusion or therapeutic treatment.
Natural Multiplicity as a Movement
By the early 2000s, natural multiplicity had evolved into a full-fledged movement. Its central aim was to establish that plural experiences were not inherently pathological. Many participants insisted that childhood trauma or abuse could not cause plurality or multiplicity.
Even to this day, plurals insist that pwCDDs are looking to blame someone for something they already hadâpushing the narrative that pwCDDs were multiple prior to abuse and would've been multiple if it hadn't happenedâand that we have internalized pluralphobia because we 'hate ourselves'
Natural multiplicity was not simply about advocating for non-disordered plurality; it also positioned itself in opposition to people with complex dissociative disorders (pwCDDs). Astraea and associated groups actively sought to challenge the legitimacy of DID and MPD as diagnoses, including attempts to have DID removed from the DSM.
Even after the term natural multiple began to be replaced by endogenic around 2014âlargely because "natural" implied that systems with CDDs were somehow unnaturalâthe underlying ideological framework remained much the same. The earliest documented use of the term endogenic dates to 2014.
2000â2010s: The DID Boycott and Anti-Psychiatry Campaigns
For a whole decade, activists associated with the natural multiplicity and anti-psychiatry movements campaigned to challenge, revise, or remove the DID diagnosis from the DSM. This movement was deeply intertwined with both anti-psychology rhetoric and natural multiplicity ideology.
Prominent essays from this campaign included:
âAstraeaâs Multiple Personality FAQâ by Astraeaâs Web, archived in 2000.
âNo MoreâŠâ by Astraeaâs Web, archived in 2000.
âRemoving Diagnostic Labelsâ by Astraeaâs Web, archived in 2001.
âWhy We Are Not MPD/DIDâ by Dark Personalities, archived in 2001.
âSome Thoughts on Verbiageâ by a guest on Astraeaâs Web, archived in 2001.
âWe donât have Multiple Personality Disorderâ by The Shire, archived in 2001.
âTerminologyâ by Those That Walk, archived in 2002.
âThe Politics of Languageâ by Bent Spoons, archived in 2002.
âFixing The DSMâ by a guest on Astraeaâs Web, archived in 2003.
This boycott significantly harmed people with complex dissociative disorders. Boycotters frequently argued that pwCDDs were not real, or that their diagnoses should be removed from diagnostic manuals. Natural and empowered multiplicity communities often paired their advocacy with broader opposition to psychiatry and psychology.
At a time when DID research was already sparse, controversial, and often inaccurate, these campaigns further complicated public and clinical understanding of dissociative disorders.
2002â2003: "Fixing The DSM"
"Fixing The DSM" was an essay written by The Jinkies in 2002 and published on Astraea's Web in 2003. It had previously appeared on Pavilion Hall's LiveJournal forum and in Pavilion's library. (X X X)
The essay argued that the DID and OSDD diagnoses should either be revised to better represent non-dissociative plural experiences or removed from the DSM entirely.
Jinkies contended that people without DID or OSDD might feel excluded from plural identity because they did not meet diagnostic criteria. They criticized the DSM for defining DID and OSDD in terms of dissociation, arguing that this invalidated non-dissociative plural experiences.
The essay ultimately proposed replacing DID with the term Ego-Dystonic Plurality, a phrase coined by the creator of Astraea's Web. Modeled after the historical diagnosis of Ego-Dystonic Homosexuality, this proposed label would have stripped DID and OSDD of their established clinical frameworks.
Jinkies concluded by asserting that non-disordered experiences do not belong in the DSM. While that statement is true in itself, DID and OSDD are inherently disordered conditions, making the proposal fundamentally incompatible with the realities of those diagnoses.
2002: The Formation of The Lancers and Pavilion Hall
In June 2002, two sister organizations were formed: The Lancers and Pavilion Hall. Both were self-described natural multiplicity activist groups. Though inactive today, their influence remains substantial. Their last known activity appears to have been in 2015.
These organizations were responsible for coining the term median system, creating the Layman's Guide to Multiplicity, and popularizing the idea of plurality as an umbrella term. Their impact on modern plural terminology and discourse remains significant.
The Lancers
Formation and Purpose;
The Lancers were founded to "resolve the conflict between plural and non-plural types" and to foster understanding between singlets, medians, and multiples. Despite this stated goal, they did not support DID or what they disparagingly referred to as "survivorwhine sites."
Membership Requirements;
Membership was restricted to natural multiples. People with DID or OSDD were explicitly excluded.
Applicants were required to sign the In Essence Pledgeâviewed here and hereâaffirming that they were functioning and sane. They were also expected to publicly display this pledge on their websites and follow the organization's codex. Failure to comply could result in removal.
The organization strongly emphasized appearing non-disordered. Prospective members who were not yet functioning well enough to present themselves as "strong, sane, and responsible" were discouraged from joining.
They stated that if your system âcannot yet work functionally together in daily life, do not ask to join. If you wish to help the Lancers but haven't got things sufficiently together to be able to present to the world as strong, sane, and responsible, look elsewhere for help -- Astraea's is a good place to begin [...]â (X)
The Codex;
The Lancers developed a body of internal theory known as the Codex, which outlined their views on natural multiplicity. Among its concepts were "paths," later renamed "fires," though these terms did not gain widespread use. Their most enduring contribution was the term median, which replaced mid-continuum.
Pavilion Hall
Formation and Purpose;
Pavilion Hall was founded around the same time as The Lancers by the same group of people. Like The Lancers, Pavilion excluded people with DID and OSDD.
Pavilion described itself as an activist organization dedicated to promoting positive views of healthy multiplicity. Its goals included challenging the classification of multiplicity as a mental disorder, establishing common ground among plurals, and promoting natural multiplicity theories in both academic and non-academic settings. [X]
Membership;
Members were expected to live as healthy multiples so as not to undermine their mission of ending the idea that multiplicity was a disorder. While signing the In Essence Pledge was encouraged, it was not mandatory. [X]
Hierarchy;
You can read a more in-depth explanation of these positions on their page here
Pavilion had a five-tier organizational hierarchy:
Frontliners: The Frontlinersâ main job was to seek out places where they could spread the word of natural multiplicity. This mainly included any space specifically centering around DID/OSDDâforums (discussed more below), websites (X), and articles (X), as well as mental health clinics (X), and even dissociative specialists such as from the ISSTD (X). They also occasionally sought out spiritual or unorthodox spaces to âconvert,â such as a soulbonding forum. (X)They usually referred to this job as responding to âaction alerts.â This part of Pavilion was surprisingly coordinated. You can find an action alerts page on their website here. You can also find an action alerts tag on their forums here.Another job for Frontliners was to âmonitorâ DID/OSDD forums, find people who they suspected didnât actually have DID/OSDD, and bring them into the natural multiplicity community. (X X X)Â Here is a page they wrote on their justification behind this.
The Pavilion website also had an entire section called The Armory, which was dedicated to hosting resources specifically for Frontliners to do this sort of work. (X)
Scholars: These were the members of Pavilion who wrote the essays that the Frontliners could use in their arguments or discourse. They also supported the organization through other means such as researching counterarguments against psychology, or creating new websites for Pavilion to spread their purpose.
Knights/Coordinators: This was a temporary position. Members became Coordinators for the duration that they were running a project for Pavilion. One example of a Pavilion project would be Project Bananarama (later renamed Paperchase), in which they mailed out over 200 Pavilion brochures to psychologists and dissociative specialists. (X)
Diplomats: These were the members who spread Pavilionâs purpose offline in real life areas. One example of Pavilionâs offline activism would be slipping notes about natural multiplicity inside of DID/OSDD books. (X)
Castles/Directors: This appeared to be the highest level of the hierarchy. Directors were the leaders of Pavilion who kept an eye on every other membersâ activity and projects.
One notable Pavilion project, originally called Project Bananarama and later renamed Paperchase, involved mailing more than 200 brochures promoting natural multiplicity to psychologists and dissociative specialists.
MEMBERS;
An archived list of The Lancerâs members can be found here.
An archived list of Pavilionâs members can be found here.
Another archived list of Pavilionâs members can be found here.
Concerning Activities of The Lancers and Pavilion
Documented behaviors included:
Mailing hundreds of natural multiplicity brochures to dissociative specialists
Editing and vandalizing the DID Wikipedia page (SEE BELOW)
Arguing that people with DID could not truly be multiple until they were no longer "dysfunctional" Â (X X)
Ridiculing PTSD- and DID-focused events, writings, and individuals (X X)
Joking about disrupting DID/OSDD conventions  (X)
Monitoring DID/OSDD forums for potential recruits (SEE HIERARCHY ABOVE)
Coordinating "action alerts" to target specific spaces or publications (SEE HIERARCHY ABOVE)
Joking about "converting" others to natural multiplicity (X)
Drawing inspiration from anti-DID groups such as the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) (X)
Openly advocating for the removal of DID and OSDD from diagnostic manuals (X)
ARCHIVES
The Lancersâ Website Archive
The Lancersâ Public LiveJournal Forum
The Lancersâ Codex Archive
Pavilionâs Website Archive
Pavilionsâ Public LiveJournal Forum
The Laymanâs Guide to Multiplicity
Lancers/Pavilionsâ Multiplicity Brochure
2003â2006: Pavilion and the DID Wikipedia Article
In February 2003, Pavilion members coordinated an effort to edit the Wikipedia article on Dissociative Identity Disorder.
Using Pavilion's "action alert" system, Astraea Household encouraged members to revise the article. Pavilion member Amorpha drafted and implemented substantial edits. You can read their rough draft here.
These changes shifted the article's focus toward controversy and introduced extensive material about "healthy multiplicity" (also called natural multiplicity). The revised article suggested that many multiples were not diagnosed, did not need therapy, did not have histories of childhood trauma, and did not wish to integrate
It also proposed that DID should be revised or removed from the DSM to accommodate natural multiples.
âBecause such multiples do not experience their condition as disordered or sick in any way, some have proposed that the diagnosis of DID be removed from the DSM entirely, or revised to classify multiples who have difficulty communicating and sharing memories and/or wish to integrate.â
These additions remained in the article until 2006, when they were removed for lacking relevance to DID. Shortly afterward, the broader controversy section was also removed.
Archive of natural/healthy multiplicity removal & reasoning.
Archive of controversy removal & reasoning.
archive of the edit Amorpha made to the Wikipedia article
2005â2007: The Natural/Healthy Multiplicity Wikipedia Article
A separate Wikipedia article on natural or healthy multiplicity was later created. This article blended concepts of natural multiplicity with the clinical treatment goal of healthy multiplicity (also called resolution). Here is an archive of the edit Amorpha made to the Wikipedia article.
It also reflected Pavilion's belief that people with DID or OSDD who cooperated well internally no longer truly had those disorders.
The article relied heavily on sources created by Pavilion members, including:
Astraea's Web
Collective Phenomenon
Their shared LiveJournal community
The Layman's Guide to Multiplicity
Pavilion Hall
The Lancers
In 2007, the article was nominated for deletion due to its reliance on blogs, forums, and original research rather than reliable secondary sources. The nomination was successful, and the article was deleted.
This deletion highlighted a central problem for natural multiplicity advocates: despite extensive searching, they were unable to find substantial professional or academic support for the concept as an innate, non-pathological state. You can read the thread about it here.Â
Amorpha expressed frustration towards the reasons for deletion, specifically regarding 'reliable' sources. They explained that no matter how much they searched the Internet for proof, they could not find any professionals discussing natural multiplicity. The only thing they could find on healthy multiplicity was, obviously, related to CDD treatment.
âWe helped to work on that article. It was deleted for containing âtoo much original researchâ and ânot enough acceptable sources.â The sources thing was the real problem-- we've really tried combing the Internet for that, but they're looking for âsecondary sourcesâ, aka articles by doctors or journalists or someone working in some âprofessionalâ capacity. And there honestly just isn't much. Most of the professionally-written material we've come across that mentions healthy multiplicity in any way approached it from the standpoint that it's all MPD/DID, and proposing the âradicalâ idea that multiples don't have to integrate (though, of course, it's always suggested that they're only supposed to be capable of living independently and non-integrated after being in therapy for years).
I don't object to using those as sources, as I think a big point to be emphasized in the whole concept of healthy multiplicity is that a system can start out disordered and come to be healthy and stable in time, but what we needed and couldn't find were sources talking about it as a natural state of being-- not necessarily in terms of a pathological deviation from the norm[...]â
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