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can't stop thinking about the fact that buffy's recurring insult for spike was calling him a pig meanwhile she canonically likes pigs and thinks they're cute
"you're a pig, Spike."
ok pig girl đ§
#also literally has a stuffed pig she snuggles with (via messedupdoilies)
âYouâre a pig, Spike!â (Buffy canonically loves pigs)
âPunching Spike is like third base to himâ (Buffy continues to punch him after making this observation to her MOTHER and best friend)
âIf I wanted someone with superpowers Iâd be dating Spikeâ (Buffy regularly goes to Spike and relies on him for help in supernatural situations due to his supernatural strength & skill)
âWhy does everyone think Iâm still in love with Spike?â (STILL? STILL?!)
Buffy Anne Summers. Girl. Please.
âItâs okay. I can be alone with you here.â
BTVS || 3.08 // 6.03
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER 6.15 âAs You Wereâ | 7.22 âChosenâ
buffy & spike + of human bondage book
The coming-of-age story of Philip Carey, a sensitive young man consumed by an unrequited and self-destructive love. Â
not only that, but when eddie tells buffy the title of this book and asks if sheâs read it, she says âno, iâm not really into porn. iâm trying to cut way backâ and in response he says âno, thereâs no actual bondage, itâs just a novelâŚI always keep it by my bed. Security blanket.â buffy replies by saying that she doesnât really have a security blanket unless he counted mr pointy.
whatâs so interesting about that is that on the surface, it looks like porn. something thatâs just sex. but itâs not even about sex, and to eddie it comforts him by just existing next to his bed, something he reads over and over. this is what spuffy is. buffys trying to ignore past the cover page, sheâs trying to claim that their relationship is just what it appears to be. a sexual relationship. but itâs not. itâs her security blanket. itâs spikeâs too.
furthermore, the fact that buffy brings up mr pointy shows that buffy has had to find comfort within her life as the slayer even if itâs in grotesque things. technically mr pointy is a weapon, it kills things. but it was kendraâs very special stake that she gifted to buffy, something she considered and named like it was a stuffed animal. spike is technically a weapon too. he kills things. but itâs the thing that buffy returns to every night, holding and being with, the thing that made her feel alive and maybe even safe
6x15: âAs You Wereâ

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sorry, now that Iâm on the topic but the problem with IWRY is that the basic plotline would only work if Buffy Summers were a totally normal girl who was only wrapped up in the supernatural because she was dating a vampire. But she isnât, sheâs the fucking Slayer. Whether Angel deigns to be in her life or not, crazy fucked up supernatural shit will be in her life and it will be trying to kill her. Angel cutting his ties with her will not save her from anything, and so you watch the episode and it seems so obvious that Angel is lying to himself; this isnât about Buffy at all. This is about him.
So naturally, he doesnât bother to get her say before he makes his decision to undo it all.
itâs never about her though. not with angel. so is it really all that surprising?? no.
she is a vehicle for his redemption and self-worth. sheâs not a partner to him. sheâs a tool to be used for his gain.
loving someone means possessing at least some modicum of selflessness, and with buffy he simply does not. if he did heâd be able to stick around and actually help her without having an uncontrollable urge to fuck her.
iâm glad angel decides to leave and to stay a vampire because heâs being honest about what he wants and what his real priorities are, but the way he lies about it (to himself and buffy) is so fucked. he just canât help but go about things in the way that tortures buffy the most. that violates her the most.
shame. shame on him.
Honestly, if he wants to be a vampire again, like. Whatever, man. You do whatâs right for you, I guess. But he not only reframes the reason he does all this as âfor Buffyâs own goodâ even though it transparently makes no sense, but he hides from the consequences and basically learns nothing at all from the experience. Tell her the about the decision you made, Angel. Accept the consequences of it, accept that it will break your narrative of doomed true love. He wonât, though. He refuses to because itâs too soothing on his guilt and ego to know Buffy loves him.
Later in the same season, Buffy reappears with Riley in tow and he acts like the wounded one and gets mad at her for âflauntingâ her perfect new life. What is he mad about?? He has now dumped Buffy TWICE OVER!! He said move on, he said find someone human and normal that can make love to her and she did! Riley sucks and thatâs a different conversation, but from Angelâs perspective, he is everything he proclaimed to want for Buffy. It completely pulls back the curtain on any of this being altruistic on his part. He plainly doesnât want Buffy happy!!! He gets mad at her everytime she tries!!!!!!! Iâm not even being a hater, itâs literally in the explicit text of the show!!!!!!!!!!
And I hate to turn yet another convo into the Spike vs. Angel convo but seriously, compare to Spike in s7. Compare to him earnestly encouraging Buffy to go out on a date, telling her not to feel bad about him, explaining that he understands thereâs no future for them and that he accepts that she will move on. Compare to how Spike upholds boundaries, listens to her, and even as late as End Of Days, he is careful to always dispel social pressure for her. Their night in Touched was the best night of his life, and he was ready to pretend it never happened just so Buffy doesnât feel any obligation to him. This is what it actually looks like when someone genuinely wants you to be happy!
I was sort of creating a alternative theory about his relationship with Buffy and that becomes most clear in the episode Guise Will Be Guise episode. Where The T'ish Magev is trying to help him (Angel) get over Darla, and he says âHereâs what you need to do, go out, find a small blonde thing, better, break her heart and than leave her and that will help you get over Darla.â And so what I was kind of saying is oh, that whole undying eternal love that he had with Buffy. Buffy was actually the rebound chick, and that she was entirely the reaction to the real love of his life which was Darla. Because she created him for God sake. ~ Tim Minear
I canât fathom knowing this scene exists and still wanting Buffy with Angel. Like, do you just hate her?
itâs so funny that people genuinely think angel getting cursed with a soul is his redemption. in what world is redemption achieved when a character doesnât CHOOSE to be better. angel getting his soul thrust upon him is not something he chose because he felt remorseful, itâs a punishment from his victims. and afterward, angel is more focused on how painful it is to have a soul than on his actual crimes.
This is why it drives me crazy that people dismiss Spikeâs reaction to the soul. He understands wallowing isnât going to undo anything or serve any purpose other than make him the main tragic character of his own crimes rather than his victims.
Angel is a hedonist who indulges himself in guilt, to make it all about him. His pain, his self pity, his suffering. It's about the self pity, the drama, the performative martyrdom. Actually helping anyone else is secondary and usually done under duress. Angel makes his crimes about HIS guilt rather than the suffering of his victims.
Ironically, Spike is a pragmatist. Once he gets past the initial shock and trauma, he knows wallowing in guilt isn't going to do a damn thing for anyone. Spike isn't a person who chooses to sit around and bemoan his fate. He takes action. He wants to change things to make them better. (Which is why he is so diminished early after getting his chip. There is nothing he CAN do to change his circumstances that doesn't violate his own principles.) He can't undo the past, but he can make sure it doesn't repeat itself, and he can help other people avoid being victims. That's the whole reason he GETS his soul. To make sure he can't repeat his mistakes.

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after things went south with the Judge and they both nearly died, when emotions are high and adrenaline was pumping, Angel chooses to take Buffy to his apartment instead of her home or to her worried friends, then has her strip down and get cozy in his bed. all alone, and needing that reassurance that theyâre alive and together? Buffy may have been the one to âsuggestâ sex butâŚ.
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excuse the ranting here but just had someone try and argue that a fully evil literally on the hunt for the Slayer (bc heâs stalking his PREY to fight and hopefully kill) Spike - finding Buffy attractive (according to an interview James gave where he talks about that moment and said he embodied the kinds of predatory men who literally are âon the huntâ for real life women in bars) as anywhere NEAR the same level of creepiness as a SOULFUL aka SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD angel stalking and falling in love at the sight of an innocent and crying 15 year old BuffyâŚ.
Anti spike/spuffy ppl always try and use that interview to make Spike out to be âjust as creepyâ as Angel which is always just so embarrassing to me that they donât grasp the basic difference between one was the most evil and literally is a predator to her prey but buffy is also a predator to spikeâs kind so there is even still a balance of power between them even then and heâs literally just explaining how he played the scene to get the attitude and body language right as a predator bc he understands thatâs what Spike is to Buffy at that time (literally had zero clue he would ever be a love interest of Buffyâs). And the other who is not supposed to be a predator anymoreâŚ. hides his identity as a vampire AND hides the fact that heâs been watching her for over a year is still acting as a predator but instead of stalking an experienced slayer to attempt to fight and kill he is stalking a freshly called still weak and vulnerable slayer who he wants to sleep with aka corrupt.
Angel is supposed to be GOOD yet is still acting like a predator. Spike IS EVIL and so is simply acting as someone who has killed two slayers should đđđđ the fact that soulless evil Spike and soulful âgoodâ Angelâs behavior can be compared AT ALL is bad for angel and angel alone bc spike is supposed to be evil and treating buffy as someone he is hunting and as an opponent. Angel is supposed to be HELPING BuffyâŚ.
But regardless of all that the argument is James said Sarah is beautiful so of course he played up that angle as well so canonically Spike thinks a 16 year old Buffy is pretty and these people really donât understand the difference between the two đđ
First of all I personally have heard Sarah call herself ânot the prettiestâ at least 10 times in 10 different interviews - how often do you think the people in her life heard her make jokes or comments about her appearance??? To me that always seemed like James just paying a compliment to his costar who doesnât understand how literally fucking STUNNING she is by basically being like HAVE YOU SEEN HER OF COURSE MY CHARACTER THINKS SHEâS PRETTY LOOK AT HER!! James literally rizzed his way into a main character and love interest like of course heâs gonna be charming in real life by paying compliments to everyone he can every chance he gets. He had sex appeal and a dream AND IT WORKED đ and we also see him have chemistry with practically every person on the show thatâs just who he is đšđšđš
But I also just cannot emphasize how much of a difference there is between finding someone attractive or thinking theyâre beautiful vs actually ACTING on it and ESPECIALLY acting on it when you call her friend of the same age âjust a kidâ and say over and over again how wrong it is and that sheâs too young AND THEN DO IT ANYWAY. Like itâs a supernatural show with vampires who are 100 & 200+ years old if angel hadnât constantly acted like her dad and treated Buffy like a kid and everything is season 3 didnât happen there could be sooooooo much more leniency with angel and buffyâs age differences and I probably wouldnât care bc applying irl rules to the supernatural doesnât make a lot of sense but angel always treats her like a child and says over and over again how wrong it is and THAT is what makes it a problem within this supernatural show bc Spike never treats her like a child or like she isnât his equal ever no matter what age she is
But unfortunately it makes sense people who like a character whose main personality trait is !catholic guilt! (when heâs got a soul) donât understand the difference between thoughts and actions and how we should only be defining ourselves and other people by their actions. Because we are not every single thought weâve ever had both good and bad. If you think to do good things but donât that does not make you good and if you think to do bad things but donât that does not make you bad.
So evil Spike thinking a beautiful Buffy dancing with her friends is hot at 16 is not even CLOSE to the same as a supposed to be good angel activity pursuing a relationship with her by breadcrumbing the absolute fuck out of her, manipulating her like crazy and lying to her about practically everything and flirting with her under false pretenses after falling in love at the sight of her looking like a child with her lollipop on the school steps at 15 and then watching her cry in the bathroom mirror as he watches her from the bushes with a smile on his face and hope in his eyes and if you donât understand that there is literally nothing I can do or say to help you
Soulless Angel: she made me feel like a human - I want to destroy her
Soulless Spike: I may be a monster but you treat me like a man - I love you for that

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buffy can't bring herself to call spike her boyfriend because you don't just demote your ex husband like that
kinda obsessed with how the season 7 buffyspike dynamic is her announcing âhere comes the special-est boy! everyone clap for him NOWâ except sheâs also trying to convince him of it too