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I wonder if Hannibal realizes that he sometimes behaves like the orphaned child that he is. There's something missing and it's the love that he should have received but was instead violently ripped from him.
In addition, Will is the only one who notices.
Hannibal's childlike wonder with the world, his anxious attachments, his mood swings, his possessiveness over the few people he lets himself be attached to, his need for everything to be exactly how he molded it, his jealousy at being sidelined by the few people he loves...
...and most of all his stubborn idea that everybody should be kind, polite and considering to each other, and if they aren't, the scared starved child in Hannibal will see to it that those Rude People can't hurt him anymore. He desperatly wants to keep on his rose colored glasses while the world keeps yanking them away. In order to get them back, he has to defeat and quite literally put down the people who keep ruining his illusion of a world where he is loved. He needs that illusion so much that he modelled his whole life to adhere to it, starting with a higher education, a respectable job, nice clothes, nice food for guests, etc, in hope that those things and atteibutes will make people love him.
Will understood this to be true both in Hannibal and in the Ripper, way before he knew they cohabitated in the same body. He understood that they both need to eliminate everything that threatens to break them, and it's a lot of things/ people, considering how fragile Hannibal and the Ripper are.
A lot of things/people have the audacity to hurt him, and once they do, Hannibal needs to assure himself that they'll never hurt him again, while also assuring himself that he was always superior to them (he does this by eating them) so to convince himself that they never really hurt him.
This way, he can keep convincing himself that the soldiers that ate Misha did not actually hurt him, since they are inferior to him āthey are, since he hunted them down and consumed them; this demostrates their inferiorityā and what's inferior to him can't really hurt him. ("Nothing [traumatic] happened to me")
The problem to this reasoning is that upon further scrutiny it crubles fast. And to keep it steady and straight, Hannibal needs to reassure himself of his invulnerability more and more often, with more show of force and superiority each time.
He's one of those pitiful things born in hospitals who miracolously survive their damned conditions and will forever be more vulnerable to the outside world; their only hope to not be shattered upon contact with others is to annihilate those others.
He is starved, most of all, of affection, and you know the saying "those who never received love with spoons, adapt to lick it off knives"? (It isnt the exact phrasing, I know). Well, he doesn't willingly lick knives and cuts himself; but since he never developed appropriate armour (aka, a healthy self esteem), every small slight from other people hurts him like a bitch, and the only way to make sure the pain doesn't come back is to waste the son of a bitch that caused it.
I wouldn't blame Chiyoh if at some point while growing up next to Hannibal she would have started having a crush on him. I also imagine that her being manipulated into making sure that guy doesn't escape had to do with the fact that she loved Hannibal (platonically or not) so much that she really gave her freedom up to scratch his itch. She could have easily let the man go and she could have also left but her love and devotion for Hannibal were so intense that the first thing she did after being freed was searching for Hannibal to keep protecting him
When I think of Chiyohās love, I consider it a strong and unconditional type of love. Unconditional doesnāt equate to forgiveness of all past deeds or any actions henceforth. Nor does it mean excusing it. It means having such a profound kind of love that it factors in all such things and loving a person anyways. Even if it itās a dangerous kind of love.
I feel like Chiyoh could have done anything with her freedom after everything that happened and she did probably do something in the three years that were given to her. Go back to Japan or even France where she grew up even. But it would have felt empty. She gave up her planned life when she chose to be devoted to Hannibal and Mischa. And she chooses still after seeing everything, because to her, itās the right thing to do.
The Western audience may believe this form of servitude is stripping Chiyoh of any autonomy or individuality, but devoted loyalty and personal sacrifice are virtues that are strongly valued in the East. To serve is to love. It doesnāt make her weak nor submissive. It makes her an immovable force to be reckoned with.
I wouldn't blame Chiyoh if at some point while growing up next to Hannibal she would have started having a crush on him. I also imagine that her being manipulated into making sure that guy doesn't escape had to do with the fact that she loved Hannibal (platonically or not) so much that she really gave her freedom up to scratch his itch. She could have easily let the man go and she could have also left but her love and devotion for Hannibal were so intense that the first thing she did after being freed was searching for Hannibal to keep protecting him
Not the Hannibal fic community on tumblr saying ew yucky no incest no non-con in our community page, meanwhile Hannibal fucks his aunt and eats his sister. Shoves a tube down Willās throat and basically arranges for Margot to have her reproductive organs removed. Am I misremembering she also uhh milks him with a cattle prod to steal his sperm š¬ shoves it right up his ass I do believe. I am not a fan of non-con or incest in fics (or life) it is definitely not my realm but baby this is Hannibal this is not like fucking stranger things or something.

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Thinking about Hannibal using Chiyoh as a proxy for Mischa when heās a teen. He doesnāt actually do it intentionally at first, he just finds himself watching her, doing activities with her. She teaches him origami, he teaches her to recognize burning materials by scent alone. He finds her to be the most fascinating person heās meant since his family died, and heās determined not to let her disappear from his life like everyone else.
Chiyoh is, of course, supposed to go back to Japan after a few years, even has an arranged marriage in the works, and itās only when the date of her leaving comes closer that Hannibal begins to manipulate her intentionally. Theyāre already pretty codependent by this point, which helps, but itās not exactly easy to convince Chiyoh to abandon her family and future husband back in Japan, even if it is for Hannibal, whoās really just as much family as they are.
Hannibal tackles the issue from every angleāāCome on, Chiyoh, do you really want to go back and marry a man you donāt even know? Just stay here with me. Iām going to get my familyās estate back, Iām going to be a surgeon, money wonāt be an issue for very long. You know your family doesnāt care about you as much as I doāthey shipped you off here for half a decade! Theyāve hardly even sent you letters. Iāll provide for us both, and you can do whatever you want, we can go wherever you want. We can even go back to Japan eventually if you miss it so much.ā
And itās true that Chiyoh doesnāt really want to marry a man sheās never even met, itās true that her family hardly even keeps up with her anymoreāthey correspond more with Lady Murasaki than they do with herāand she does really love Hannibal, heās been more family to her than her real family has been for a long while. But still, she doesnāt want to be a disappointment to her familyāshe knows that if she decides to go with Hannibal, even if she backtracks immediately, sheāll have a damaged reputation in Japanese high society for the rest of her life.
Hannibal knows that Chiyoh is still uncertain, despite all his manipulation and persuasion. He hopes that sheāll agree willingly, but he has backup plans in the event that she doesnāt. Chiyoh will be staying in Europe, where he can visit and keep tabs on her as much as he likes, one way or another. Sheās the only family he has now, and he canāt afford to lose her.
"you climbed over the wall." hannibal says to abigail after she escapes the hospital where she was in by climbing over the walls.
but i wonder what hannibal really meant was her climbing over the walls of his boundary, his person suit. she was the first person who did, in my opinion. she was the first person who saw him, and what he actually was, a monster in a gentleman's clothing. she was the first person who put together the fact that he was the "man on the phone".
he concludes with "no more climbing walls, abigail." after they both agree to keep each other's secret, of him being the man on the phone and her killing nick boyle. maybe it indicated the fact that is how far was he willing to let her know him, for now?
I remember Bryan saying that even from the start Hannibal knew that Abigail had potential and it was why he grew interested in her. Maybe even before he understood his interest in Will and his desire to create the murder family.
Abigail was perceptive and had her own secrets to keep. He kept on pushing it with her to see how much she would come to seek him after he showed subtle hints of willing to help her. And then he did.
But I donāt find it that unusual and hereās why. When it came to patients, Hannibal always had a variety of people who came into his office who wanted to āchangeā. Will was by all means at that time, a patient. Not yet a friend or even someone he considered kin.
Abigail was.
Hannibal has been creating surrogate Mischas from the age of 16 starting with Chiyoh and onwards, even before he became a doctor. Young girls who could potentially fill in for what Mischa was supposed to become in his ideal image. Someone who could love him without fearing him and be his sister/daughter.
He was already working on Abigail before he even began working on Will. He probably saved her with the intent to make her his own.
Itās very creepy when you think of it that way, but this is Hannibal here.
If I were to make a Hannigram fic with discussions of Hannibalās relationship with Murasaki (which Iāve decided to make even worse than canon for angst purposes), should his perspective be that this was a totally normal and appropriate thing for a mother figure whoās known him since he was like eleven to do (aka total denial), and Will has to be the one to be like āOh, honey, no,ā or should he be aware that what happened could be defined as grooming and sexual abuse, but heās Hannibal Lecter, dangerous and powerful, and he totally could have stopped it if heād wanted toāreally, he was okay with it, heād wanted it, he was a participantāso surely thereās not any trauma from it, nothing bad even really happened, itās fine, heās fine! And he gets angry and combative when Will tries to challenge him on that.
Should my next fic be another Mischa-fantasy one or should it tackle Hannibalās unhealthy predatory relationship with Murasaki when he was a young teen⦠decisions, decisions
All my fanfic ideas are just variations of āwhat if I made Hannibal Lecterās already terrible childhood even worse and then let him have a cathartic breakdown about itā
Nothing else just hits the sameā¦

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Hannibal Lecter deserved to burn the world to the ground, and quite frankly Iām sad he never got the chance.
reading a fic focused around hannibal as a child & its breaking my heart really bad i love this strange boy with dark eyes who does not speak but sees too much i would give him the world i would let him kill anyone he wanted with no repercussions he deserves it
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Fine, I'll finally fucking say it, I think the relationship between Hannibal and Murasaki should have been more fucked up.
It's literally only incest on paper. There is no blood relation as she is only related by marriage. And while there is maybe a slight power imbalance from her being his caretaker at the time, there really isn't ever an impression of it and it's definitely not due to family ties as he probably only barely remembers her from childhood.
The worst part is his age. He is (presumably) a teenager and she is a full adult. Obviously that's a problem. But again, it's never seen as that being a power imbalance bc Hannibal is the one to comes onto her and she just goes with it.
Idk I was just expecting it to be fucked up and then it's just Hannibal crushing on a woman only related by marriage who doesn't day no. I kinda was expecting worse
Finally, somebody else on my wavelength!! I think the book did at least try to make it clear that it was unhealthy and at least a bit predatory (and that Murasakiās āreasoningā that maybe she could seduce Hannibal into giving up on murder and revenge was⦠ineffectual at best, and actively counterproductive at worst).
Also in the books, itās clear that Hannibal is attracted to her starting at least from 13-14, likely earlier, and that Murasaki is very much aware of this years before she actually starts engaging with Hannibal romantically.
I think the bookās portrayal was interesting, even if I would have liked to see a more obviously messed-up version of it, where Murasaki actually does engage with Hannibal romantically before he turns eighteen. (In my opinion, she does actually subtly encourage Hannibalās āfascinationā with here before that point, but itās nothing obvious or explicit.)
Really, my main complaint with the bookās depiction of their relationship is more about how Murasakiās portrayal as Japanese and āexoticā crosses the line from cultural appreciation to orientalism on more than one occasion, and I think itās pretty clear that itās not just Hannibalās distorted perspective thatās responsible for this portrayal.
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realistically speaking if I HAD to choose, I'd choose Hannibal as a dad because if the biggest predator loves me then I'm not afraid of anything. secondly, it would greatly benefit my hypochondriac mind because doctor. third, rich. fourth: psycho yes but stable. whereas Will is not only unstable, he's also incapable of bonding with anyone besides dogs and Hannibal. he also has major incestual tendencies which are very fun in fanfiction but not so fun irl
Ok I get where youāre coming from, but wouldnāt incestual tendencies also be a concern with Hannibal??? That man has unresolved issues abound with his sister, and he was very much not normal about Abigail Hobbs (though at least she was an adult and not blood related).
I mean, Iād still go with Hannibal for the wealth and (comparative) stability, but being a daughter of his, especially if we were actually blood-related, Iād have some⦠concerns.

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I donāt think we as a fandom marvel enough at the Hannibal novels ending with the fact that Clarice Starling was so impossibly irresistibly gorgeous that the untouchable genius villain of the series frequently referred to as the literal Devil gave up his lifelong evil plan after seeing her in a silk ballgown, fantasized about her having a gun on her to kill him and then dropped to his knees before her like a dog on his very own dining room floor. Beautiful canonically buff woman so incredible she can do what the whole ass US government canāt in 0.5 seconds. Like. Not to be gay but good lordddddd get me some of whatever Thomas Harris was smoking
for a lack of a better word, we will call him a monster