Yap cuz I'm bored n someone on twt pmo
What bothers me about Himeno fans (and Aki himself lmfao) is that they really view her thru rose tinted glasses. & I'm saying all these as someone who likes evil characters and has Makima as my favorite character in chainsaw man. Also I don't hate Himeno. Her fans and Aki's writing when it comes to her just pmo.
Sure, being a sexual predator is not her only trait, and she did do a lot for Aki's sake, but she's NOT a good person either; She tried to murder Denji to protect Aki and didn't feel guilty about it. She only acknowledged the legality of her action when she assaulted him. In fact, she MIGHT NOT even care about the legality all that much. You can just see how Fjmt added an extra panel focusing solely on her facial expression to Denji's answer. It shows that she's pondering something, calculating a fitting answer for the situation. It shows that the moral/legality itself wasn't her main concern in the situation here but more so Denji's infatuation towards Makima that also mirrors Aki's; "She lost to Makima again. Makima stole Aki from her and she couldn't even win Denji over. Is she really that inferior compared to that woman? Is that why Aki chose Makima over her? Oh this one seems special to Makima, maybe she can use him in her favor to steal Aki back?"
And then, Aki, the supposed 'normal' guy, didn't react shit even when his respected senior took a minor home and almost had sex with him. I'd like Himeno's writing more if Aki at least showed some reaction here, being put off, recognizing that she was fucked up, or something.
I didn't think too deeply abt it in my first read cuz I thought the author was just weird about women like that and didn't know Fujimoto was a horrible woman & female groomer connoisseur. But in my reread, her writing here leaves an even more bitter taste in my mouth, knowing that Aki was supposed to be Denji's brother figure but didn't care for the fact that he was almost raped, and continues to hold the assaulter in a very high (and rose tinted) regard thereafter. Yes, they weren't that close back then, and he knew Himeno for 3 years. but even AFTER that got closer, has it just NEVER occurred to him in a random night that his 'respectable' senpai almost raped a boy in his care??
The way I see it is that Fujimoto conceptually understands what grooming is but genuinely thinks Himeno's grooming was okay since she didn't have any evil grand schemes behind it..... or that he just thinks sexual advances towards a minor are okay as long as you've got an excuse (intoxication) and stop before sex.
Even worse, Himeno was then only mentioned in a positive light while her misdeeds were never acknowledged as 'misdeeds,' mainly due to Aki (who has a very idealized version of her in his head) being the only one who gaf about her. While it's understandable to a degree, considering that she sacrificed her life for him & him later learning she stayed in the public security cuz of him, it's only natural for him to develop survivor guilt, thus created an overly positive version of her in his head, I'd probably do too if someone did all that for me (unless it's someone who's been abusing me for years that I can not unlearn their negative aspects.)
That doesn't make him pmo any less tho. He glorified Himeno in his head so hard bro's like "that wouldn't make Himeno happy" over kicking the balls of her murderer. A take so bad even the author disagrees😭👇
This tweet of his is partly why I'm pretty sure Fujimoto's aware that Aki's vision of Himeno is kinda warped from reality and that it was intentional 'to a certain extent.' Though how it led to fandom as a whole, esp in the jp/cn/kr sides, ended up consuming her character thru Aki's rosy retrospection is surely something I DO NOT appreciate.
Consequently Himeno's character seems really whitewashed by the narrative, though might not be intentional, and rather from the lack of fuck given by fujimoto, and due to Aki's bum ass not being able to process the fact that his senpai whom he's greatly indebted to is a child molester. (Which pisses me off lmao)
Like bro, I don't think she's up there in heaven.
Now, when it comes to Himeno fans, my problem is while they say stuff like "no, we don't condone her assault," they're still very eager to come into her defense whenever someone slanders her character, like I swear not even makima fans react this bad when someone calls her a pedophile. They also like to say "her being a predator isn't her only trait" and try to bring up her positive traits (which a lot of time are shits that got romanticized from Aki's lens) to speak for how "Aside from the SA, she's actually a pretty good person" whenever someone calls her a groomer. Which to me, comes off as them justifying 'why they like her' rather than actually discussing her character. Also, even though we leave out her sexual advances towards Denji, she's still not all that good of a person.
She tried to kill a Denji and didn't apologize nor acknowledge it even when the opportunity presented itself the moment she asked to befriend him. (bc acknowledging it will make it real for her and her avoidant ass can't afford being vulnerable in front of anyone ever) You can really tell some of them look at her thru rose tinted glasses like Aki does (yes, Aki, I'm blaming you for this.) she's more than just a sexual assaulter, yes, she's still not a good person even if you take out that specific aspect. You can like a bad person who did something good from time to time and still recognize she's a bad person bro, no need to try painting her in a positive light.
As for some other things they say that pmo; "she wasn't attracted to denji so she's not a pedo," people be calling every child predator pedos all the time n I'm sure not even half of them are clinical pedophiles, "she wasn't mentally in the right place," a large portion of rapists don't rape solely cuz they were horny either, Himeno having emotional issues actually makes her even more a realistic predator who commits sexual crimes due to their insecurity, loneliness, the lack of confidence, a desire to gain momentary power etc.
Not really related, but I just felt the urge to talk about it cuz I saw Himeno fans complaining abt how Himeno's hate is overbloated cuz of the ship wars and how she's always reduced to just a sexual predator. And sure, some of her hates come from misogyny, but the same goes for Makima's hates. There's also more to the reason Himeno's assaults were mentioned more than Makima's for the plain fact that ① she went farther than Makima did (actual kissing & initiating sex. The act was a part of her coping mechanism, she herself was 'interested' in sex, while Makima wasn't) ② her sexual aspect directly correlates with her insecurity, jealousy & loneliness n how she copes with it, while it was one of her many tools to gain control over people for Makima & she just has more writing. Also she died a few chapters after touching Denji. People naturally would focus about it more. you just can't really complain abt people bringing up her SA more since Makima's character has more to talk about.
Summary: Himeno is not the devil incarnated, she has more to her character than just sex, she could be more normal & morally upright when she first started off as a devil hunter, but during the point where csm starts, she is *not* a good person and far from a moral one. But Aki and Himeno fans have a hard time processing that fact, while the latter try to paint her in a better light in fandom argument by presenting her as a moral person she isn't. Which pisses me off.
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