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Lilia would fuck with the song Girls Wanna Have Fun, in fact he'd fuck with it so hard he'd adopt the 80s aesthetic of said song AND he'd get Kalim and Cater into it
I have some serious beef with Tr*y ever since we were first introduced. He claims he only remembered up to rules #350 yet encouraged us to make a specifically chestnut tart mere days before an unbirthday party and when Adeuce wanted to bring it to Riddle said they should wait till the next day and even encouraged Deuce to join in on the sleepover. Surely the Vice Housewarden who covers the food for most if not all unbirthday parties would remember a rule involving what pastries to bring or not to bring to one. ANd before anyone comes at me with the "oh but he was just as shocked as everyone else!" mind you he is an extremely good liar which is something shown to us so many times over that it's hitting us over the head with it! Maybe I'm just stubborn but something is wrong with that man >:(
I’m not a Trey liker at all, but I don’t think he really had malicious intent behind that mistake with the tart.
Below the cut, because it gets kind of long.
A lot of these points are true. Trey says he only memorized the rules up to 350. He’s the one who is largely responsible for preparing food for unbirthday parties. He suggests to hold off on delivering the apology tart until tomorrow (the day of the unbirthday party) + that Deuce sleeps over too, to keep an eye on Ace. And yes, Trey can be good at “lying”, as Anon puts it, but I disagree with the terminology, as it inherently makes Trey’s intentions feel more sinister than I feel they actually are. These points having truth to them doesn’t necessarily mean Trey is some evil, manipulative mastermind that intentionally set Adeuce up for failure.
First of all, about the rules. Trey’s wording implies he was always trying to study/memorize them in numerical order, not by relevancy. There is no rhyme or reason to the rules, nor is there a pattern established for rules which involve food or drink. Trey honestly may not have had the foresight to anticipate there being super specific rules governing food and drink in the latter half of the 810 rules. Not many people think ahead to this degree, after all.
Trey is relatively laidback and spent his first year at NRC under the rule of the previous Heartslabyul dorm leader, who very much did not enforce the rules (thus, there was no urgency to remember them all). He probably did not learn most or any of the rules as a first year, then kind of had to cram them as soon as Riddle took over during the first week of Trey’s second year. But again, the nonsensical nature of the rules and the sheer number of them may have made them daunting to memorize on top of the school content + mandatory club activities, plus the stress of managing the dorm.
Trey does not suggest making a chestnut tart out of the blue; he specifically says Riddle has been wanting one and so that made the most sense as a gift to smooth over relations. Actually, Cater is the one who suggests a homemade tart in the first place. When the chestnut tart is done, Trey says it’s late, so they should wait until tomorrow to deliver it. He most likely thought Riddle would want to eat the apology tart when he receives it (considering that Riddle had expressed to him how much he wanted one earlier) and that it would make a better impact at a formal occasion.
Trey sending Deuce to sleep over with Ace at Ramshackle reads to me as less of a “he’s trying to set them up” and more like, “okay, the devs are setting us up for a main friend group”. Like, Cater asks to sleep over too, but Trey denies him a pass. Why? Because Cater isn’t going to be a part of the main friend group.
When Riddle had his blowup, Trey is surprised like everyone else is. Anon suspects Trey is lying or pretending here—and to that? I ask: “Why?” What exactly would be Trey’s intention here, passing the blame onto Adeuce? But what does he stand to gain from this? And if he wants others to be punished so badly, why does Trey immediately try to take the fall for Adeuce and insist that he be punished instead of them? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
About the whole “[Trey] is an extremely good liar” thing… yes but no??? Trey himself admits to not being entirely a good guy, but his peers struggle to believe him because he comes off as such a kind, reliable big brother figure.
Aaaand that’s where I feel the crux of my side is: Trey gets away with his lies (which are often little white ones or harmless jokes) because people buy into that “big brother”-ness of him. He also just presents himself as mild-mannered and “normal” compared to everyone else, so Trey feels more trustworthy. As an example, he jokes about adding oyster sauce as the secret ingredient for tarts, and everyone believes him because 1) Trey is the baking expert and 2) he’s been instructing and guiding them this entire time, so he comes off as trustworthy. I cannot think of single time when Trey actually lied about something big/that mattered or acted with sinister intentions. In fact, he usually either just acts passive OR does act in an effort to avoid worse consequences or to smooth over tensions. For example, Trey snuck after Ace to prevent him from going to Playful Land instead of telling Riddle (who would be much harsher with Ace’s punishment).
The worst Trey ever gets is taking advantage of the situation to get something out of it and/or letting people dig their own graves to teach them lessons. There's tons of examples if you look at vignettes: Trey getting free labor by offering to trade items he has or his own labor with peers (Ruggie Labwear, Jamil Dorm Uniform), Trey giving strawberries he grew so that he can obtain a fancy premade tart from a popular bakery instead of making it from scratch (Trey Labwear), the first years try baking after they complained and were not appreciative of his own efforts (Trey Dorm Uniform), etc. He refuses the first years his cake until they apologize, and even once they've done that, he says they must first eat their own cake creations so as to not waste food.
None of these things are evil, they're pretty... fair??? Sometimes stern, but always pretty fair.
Trey overlooking the rule about not bringing chestnut tarts to unbirthday parties feels genuine to me. It reads as the direction the writers took to both introduce the relevant dorm members to the story and to incite later conflict. I also think the story needed and/or wanted Trey and Cater to blame themselves for Riddle berating Adeuce so that Riddle can be pedantic about it. He keeps his anger on Adeuce because the rule specifies those who BRING a chestnut tart to an unbirthday party, not those who MAKE it. This is to demonstrate to us, the audience, that Riddle is being entirely unreasonable and is really flying off the handle over such little things + nitpicking about rules that not even the senior students know, and it therefore enhances the overall narrative and Riddle's character arc about learning to be more flexible. What exactly do we gain if this were actually not the intention? What does Trey being the secretly shady guy do for book 1's story? Not much.
You don’t have to like or trust Trey (again, I definitely don’t), but it’s possible to read too much into a character’s intentions and attributing maliciousness or a hidden agenda to him due to that.
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FINALLY got the chance to really sit down and work on this!! My notes are kinda all over the place but hopefully this makes some sense? If you’ve got any questions let me know :3
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bring back zooterkins, the best 17th-century swear word
I don't normally do Just Characters Swearing, but. ...this kind of wrote itself and then wouldn't leave my head. it comes from both a piece of character-writing advice that has always stuck with me, and also my conviction that Leona is 1000% funnier as a character if his dialogue has to stay G-rated. let Kalim say fuck, but don't let Leona say bastard.
I'm so sorry to add this to your already egregious list of Rosehearts family drama, but we do know.. the teeniest bit of info on Mr.Rosehearts?
Again, there's practically nothing about him, and its to be noted Riddle REALLY never brings him up at all unless he's paired with Mrs.Rosehearts as 'my parents'.
I'm not sure how the og JP version put it, but this feels like Mr.Rosehearts knows to some extent that he is aware that something is being done to put Riddle on their same career path— whether he knows to what extreme or simply doesn't care, we don't know 😭. This could easily be him enthusiastically encouraging Riddle, or prompted in a much more dismissive "👍" way.
It's kind of funny to see people call the King of Hearts meek and such because when I watched it, I assumed the King of Hearts just wanted his fair share of 'fun' instead of trying to pardon Alice, and the Queen of Hearts was indulging him (hence the headpat), but I may be influenced by twst.
[ Might be a response to this post?
The masterlist: Why doesn’t Riddle resent his mom? / Why Riddle expresses gratitude for his mom / Physical abuse? (pt I) / Physical abuse? (pt II) / Nutrition and Height / Calorie Counting? / “Correcting” Left-Handedness / Mr. Rosehearts / Modeling poor emotional regulation and coping mechanisms / The role of Mr. Rosehearts / Mrs. Rosehearts as a medical mage / Mr. Rosehearts as a bad parent ]
That’s the thing about Mr. Rosehearts: we don’t know much about him at all. That leaves room for fans to speculate about how much at fault he is and to what extent he is aware of how his wife is raising their son.
What we do know is:
Mr. Rosehearts is a medical mage has raised Riddle to be one just like he and his wife are.
He currently has a poor relationship with his wife, as Riddle has a voice line (Suitor Suit) where he implies his parents have a... rocky relationship. (Riddle wishes the QoH would share the secret to having an amicable marriage with his parents)
Riddle says in a Seaside Suit voice line that he cannot imagine his parents having a grand wedding ceremony. Does this imply Mr. Rosehearts is also a pragmatic type like his wife is?
There aren’t many pictures in the Rosehearts household, and it’s implied Riddle has difficulty imagining his parents smiling together (since the dream pictures have his parents’ faces blurred, but shows himself smiling).
In Riddle’s book 7 dream, Mr. Rosehearts is an affectionate stay-at-home dad and author who always has time to play with his son. This implies Mr. Rosehearts, in reality, is always away from home and may be emotionally distant or at least emotionally unavailable for Riddle.
As you can see, what little we know to be true of Mr. Rosehearts can be interpreted a variety of ways. We don’t know his personality, nor the reasons why he doesn’t get along with his wife. Maybe he's encouraging, maybe he's dismissive. He could be away from home a lot due to his job’s demands, or he could he away from home a lot to avoid parental responsibilities. He could be aware of his wife’s teaching methods and ignore them OR approve of them, or he could be completely unaware. For all we know, Mr. Rosehearts could ONLY be seeing the results (ie Riddle being a successful student) without knowing any of the methods (Mrs. Rosehearts having an absurd amount of control over Riddle's life). Then it becomes an issue of how much liability Mr. Rosehearts has has the father is he lacks knowledge and context.
It’s truly the Schrödinger's Cat of parenting. I imagine fans would be highly influenced by their own biases and experiences with absent parents when trying to decipher or headcanon what Mr. Rosehearts is actually like or how guilty he is for his lack of involvement.
I can't speak for others, but personally I just call the King of Hearts meek in relation to his wife being so much louder and more assertive than he is. The KoH does express his own desires, but he's much softer spoken and more easily startled than the Queen is. I've always seen Riddle's dad as being similar to that, because it's interesting to me to consider that kind of contrast in a marriage.
It's kind of funny to see people call the King of Hearts meek and such because when I watched it, I assumed the King of Hearts just wanted his fair share of 'fun' instead of trying to pardon Alice, and the Queen of Hearts was indulging him (hence the headpat), but I may be influenced by twst.
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