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I have ranted about Rolin, Mark, and no. I want to be clear. This extends to the whole team s3.
Hannah Moscovitch don’t think I’m letting you off the hook!! You were not only a writer but an Executive producers this season.
Shame on YOU!!
You were the one who mainly wrote Louis being abused, and a domestic violence survivor. You exploit black bodies, write them being harmed, abused and tortured over and over. All for your own creative success!! No care for survivors, black history, or racism!!
I know this was insincere and exploitation because you then have the audacity to do the DARVO Louis show?!?!?!!!?
A SEASON WHERE LOUIS IS BEING LYNCHED AGAIN. TORTURED AGAIN. VIOLENCE DONE TO HIM ON SCREEN THAT NO NON BLACK CHARACTER GETS PUT THROUGH ON SCREEN.
ALL WHILE LOUIS IS BEING TREATED AS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM. ALL WHILE ENDURING RACIST ANTI BLACK SLURS ALL SEASON. DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE CLAUDIA STUFF.
All while Ryan Kattners wears an awful hip hop sucks shirt - I see you. You don’t deserve to mention hip hop. Hell you don’t even deserve to mention music.
TVL team - I see you. You want to earn success, fame and fortune on the exploitation of black pain and racism. I see all of you.
Ending it with some love @coldeveryseason posts and critiques are very well made, and better than mine. Let’s praise and support the black creators who built Iwtv to what it was.
These people don’t deserve to build their name and career of your guys (clearly) amazingly crafted work.
Circling back to this after the after dark episode
I was too kind in this post
HANNAH WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS DARVO racist piece of writing I’m beyond disgusted… you are again using a brown actor to enact a violent lynching on screen… why? Because you love putting black people through traumatic violence but couldn’t stand the critique of white supremacy that it was when Lestat did it?
Then she’s trying to angle it like Louis is being dishonest again
AND JACOB STANDS UP FOR HIMSELF AND LOUIS THANK GOD
AND ROLIN HAS THE AUDACITY TO INTERJECT TO SAY THIS GARBAGE
DOUBLING DOWN ON THE DARVO BULLSHIT !!!
You two are using your power in the industry to perpetuate and uphold white supremacy.
And when god forbid Jacob Anderson speaks against a writing and framing choice you shut him down and make him seem like the unreasonable one.
y'know i've been so pissed about claudia i didn't even have space to think about armand but. this season hates armand so bad. they stole his backstory and gave it to lestat, they publically humiliated him about his trauma, and then they had him say one line with daniel when they drop the revenge porn...who even are these guys! who the fuck are they!
The way Mark and Rolin dismiss Jacob Anderson like he isn’t the most famous actor there. Like he isn’t the one that CARRIED that show. How they spent all promo s2 to promote Sam and s3 bc they never wanted to make Iwtv - which ironically was the good show. They wanted to make the white innocent abuser actually is the victim guy show.
When you realize that you understand how we got TVL. How we got victim blaming Louis for everything. How Lestat being abused excuses his actions (to the writers), but Louis being abused is his fault.
Pisses me the fuck off.
Shout out to Dave Harris, Ben Philippe and A. Zell Williams!!! You guys must have done the heavy lifting for the show and you are all missed.
Jacob STAND UP!! Get out of there!! Don’t let these white men undermine you.
I sincerely hope that either the show gets cancelled or the actors quit, because how they were treated this season is completely unacceptable. It's so much deeper than character assassination. It's racism, pure and simple.
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ok basically it’s objectively worse to have paul appear to lestat of all people and thank him for “loving” louis in the first place, but my secondary issue is having him end with a homophobic joke, not because it’s inaccurate to his character (it’s accurate) but because of its placement in the overall season. one of the major aspects of this show that originally drew people in was the queerness, and now as the final cherry on top of this bs season, we have the main character’s emotional arc (as bad as that arc was) ending with homophobia.
also the homophobia of louis’s family was actually something important that informed his character in season one and i don’t think that should be reduced to a joke for lestat to giggle at
Lestat misgedering people. Lestat publicly humiliating and laughing at Armand for being a victim of horrific CSA abuse. Lestat, Daniel and Claudia calling Louis racist slurs. Daniel mocking autistic people. Gabriella basically being MAGAs' idea of what a strong, independent woman is. The South Asian brown man being the ultimate unhinged villain of the season -again. The white, blond, blue eyed protagonist being a victim of all the evil POC people and these corrupted, empowered women around him. And not a single gay kiss this entire season.
Do we think the Trump administration managed to sneak one of their own in the writers' room? 🤔
TVL, I mourn what you could have been. Fuck AMC. Fuck Rolin Jones. Fuck far right media. Fuck racism and homophobia. Fuck misogyny and the fetishization of abuse. Fuck ableism. And fuck everyone involved in this project, other than the poor actors that were under contract to produce this filth.
my final thoughts on tvl (mostly under a read more as this is a very long post):
from the moment the first episode of the vampire lestat dropped, it was evident that this show was going to be nothing more than a shoddy, poorly paced mess that cared more about humiliating louis—alongside its other black and brown characters—than telling any sort of cohesive or lovingly crafted story. the amc team set out to undo the two previous seasons of impactful writing, and punish those of us who resonated with interview with the vampire and the characters it presented to us viewers.
rolin, hannah & co. rewrote some of their powerhouse characters (louis, claudia and assad) around uplifting a white man and excusing him of the things that he's done, but even in that they failed. because this season did not make lestat more likeable; it barely fleshed out any of his past, but made it a point to show us him kissing his mother every episode, and even that was oftentimes played for no more than shock value or laughs. there was no character development on lestat's part, even when other characters' writing was sacrificed to exonerate him.
there is genuinely no winning with this fandom or show as a black viewer. when the first season came out everyone went on and on about Book Accuracy™ and how the changes made were an affront to the legacy of anne rice's story. and as a result it was review-bombed by racists for how unabashedly black it was. then season two came out and everyone took the opportunity to say that louis was lying about what happened and that he was on an equal playing field regarding lestat and armand. and critics couldn't be bothered to praise jacob, delainey and assad for their incredible performances, instead turning the spotlight on sam, despite lestat being one of the more minor characters until ep 7. and things only got worse once iwtv ended
s3/tvl started promo and already the shift was obvious. rolin talked shit from day one "it's the lestat show", "it's no longer two old men sitting in a room", "the season ended with hugs and kisses", "if you hate this season you hate lestat and daniel" etc. sam had to correct rolin twice over the things he was saying regarding other cast members. promotion for this season when above and beyond, every poster was a lestat solo and people argued that that was due to this being lestat's season. ignoring the fact that lestat was still a prominent character on many of the s2 posters. they did countless tv spots and photoshoots and a live concert and a fashion collab, and basically did everything in their power to promote this now white-led season as much as they could.
they baited people with loustat and lestat flashbacks and incredible writing, claiming that this was their best season yet, and there's been either none or very little of those things. the pacing is awful, louis been reduced to a caricature and punching bag, and not a single character feels fully flushed out or written with genuine passion. yet the book purists aren't kicking up nearly as much of a fuss. lestat being a rockstar was not as big of a plot point as it's been during this season, and they're focusing so much on that (and his relationship with gabriella) that the writing is suffering tremendously.
but then again, i can't even say that because a lot of the choices feel very sinister and intentional: all the women we've seen thus far being sexual props (dee basically just being toted around as a groupie to fuck lestat and whoever else, gabriella being a poorly constructed "femme-fatale" and fucking lestat and whoever else every episode, regina having an only fans, tc having unresolved desires about motherhood(?), christine fucking lestat/being mocked for that and also having a sex dungeon or something? the faux-madeleine kiss). what happened to our well-written and interesting characters? can women not be engaging to viewers unless they're sexual in some way, shape or form?
and louis....they've completely butchered his character to a degree that, as ive said a hundred times before, feels incredibly racist and deliberate. anyone that tries to say that the writers didn't purposefully set out to humiliate louis' character and subject him to as much antiblack racism as possible are purposefully ignoring the evidence in favor of supporting the garbage that was shoveled at us this season. what narrative explanation is there for:
louis apologizing to lestat for a book he didn't want written
louis being called a "nappy headed slave"
louis being told that he can't escape the slave mentality etched into his being
louis being told by claudia that she hates him more than her abusers, rapists, and lynchers
louis sympathizing with a man who mocked his suicide attempt
louis making a comment on being sexually assaulted as a child and never having it explored
louis specifically having his head cut off and put on display
louis being tortured by armand (the man who organized his lynching) and apologizing to armand
louis having armand carve a branding (the first letter of armand's name) into his chest following his (louis') being called a slave in the prior episode
louis' torture being broadcasted live as some sort of fucked up red-room bullshit
louis not seeing the ghost/hallucination of his brother, but that being reserved for lestat. and that ghost then apologizing to lestat on louis' behalf and thanking lestat for "loving him the way he needs to be loved".
nothing that the writers had louis experience this season did anything for his character, he was used for torture porn and to lick the wounds of his white (ex)-partner, who he still refers to as the love of his life. louis is denied the right to be a victim and expected to understand that everything he went through was ultimately a result of his own sins and flaws. why was louis not someone that armand apologized to when he wrote his letters? because those apologies were reserved for white men that he did not hurt nearly as much as louis?
why did armand torture louis but leave lestat alone? why did the writers have armand torture a black woman as a way to hurt louis, but lestat was spared from this horrific abuse? why did louis have to apologize to armand for not loving him or whatever the fuck, while lestat was, as i said, not faced with this name vitriol? i don't even care about "ship wars" at this point, but why did armand tell louis that he never really loved him? and to expand on that point; why did claudia also tell louis that lestat was the one that she actually liked? why, again and again, is louis being shown as unlovable, undesirable, and the true evil villain that has plagued everyone's past.
there is a specific sick joy taken by the writers in subjecting louis (and regina and claudia) to as much antiblackness and suffering and cruelty as possible. louis is a victim as much (and even more, at times) than any one of the other main characters this season, and yet that is constantly cast aside so they can continue to push this rhetoric that louis is The Awful, Manipulative Pimp.
nevermind the fact that lestat murdered prostitutes and kept dee around to do no more than fuck and drink from her. nevermind the fact that armand kidnapped people to be tortured and eaten for his shitty plays. nevermind the fact that lestat and armand directly contributed to the almost-lynching of louis and the lynching of his daughter and her lover. "they're all monsters, they're going to behave this way" except for when its louis, then he needs to be repeatedly punished?
and with regards to the trial: why is that never fully addressed again? lestat can be disproportionately mad at louis for a book daniel wrote and published (without his permission), but louis can't be upset at lestat for taking part in the murder of their daughter? they couldn't even be bothered to write lestat telling louis that he was under armand's control. would that have not been another way to absolve this white man of his crimes, as they're so eager to do? but because they have it said two times that lestat went there of his own volition, we're just supposed to gloss over the fact that this man knowingly planned to murder his lover, and succeeded in murdering his daughter? but louis is the one that apologizes and begs for forgiveness??
this is a quick aside, but they also completely ruined armand's character. they took such a complex, interesting and fantastic character and stripped him of all his parts. now he's just the undesirable south-asian man (which is horribly racist in and of itself) that deluded himself into thinking he and lestat had a relationship, and apologizes genuinely to his white lovers but hates the black man he lied to and brainwashed for 77 years. the writers use armand as another character (like claudia) to spew their personal hatred for louis, and believe that they will be above reproach because armand is not a white man.
armand is a survivor of csa and that is their excuse for how he brutally tortures louis and drags an apology out of him, but when does he subject gabriella to this? she abused lestat for decades and decades as both a mortal and a vampire. but since that wasn't done to armand he doesn't care? but oh wait...that argument falls apart when you realize that louis didn't sexually abuse armand either. he is being punished for something he did (not to armand) over a century ago, and if that's the case, lestat and armand and gabriella should be drawn and quartered for their crimes. but, no, nothing anyone else does matters, this season is solely about humiliating louis as much as possible. lestat and daniel actually made fun of armand's trauma this season, but it's louis that deserves to be tortured....right, right...
i really don't even care about loustat at this point, but we were told that we were going to see louis "through lestat's eyes" and that it was going to be beautiful and this was allegedly the coolest louis has ever looked. but all we've gotten is lestat being horribly cruel to louis and calling him crazy, mocking his suicide attempt, and acting put-upon when louis goes to him for help. the closest we came to genuine loustat was at the very beginning of the season. and then when the book dropped they used that as an excuse to have lestat disparage louis in one way or another every time he's mentioned or they share a scene.
every single relationship louis made in the iwtv s1 & s2 is butchered or straight-up retconned. daniel wanted to reconcile with louis but all of a sudden doesn't care about that and is willing to help armand enact his laughably villainish plan? armand was chasing after louis and begging him to understand the end of the previous season but now he's torturing louis and forcing him to apologize for...what exactly? claudia berates him and the complex feelings she had for louis are watered down to vitriolic rage and antiblack language reserved solely for only one of her parents? lestat was tearful and remorseful during the iwtv s2 finale but is now mocking louis' suicide attempt and calling him a cancerous jackal?
the finale was all of their grievances with louis and hatred for the explicit blackness of the first two (but especially first) seasons rearing its nasty, ugly head. they succeeded in destroying beloved characters and giving the racist fans that hated louis exactly what they wanted. they backed out of and changed almost every writing choice they made during iwtv s1 and s2, and even if their end goal for this show was to drive louis and lestat back together, they did that in the most manufactured and racist way possible.
there was no story told this season, we learned almost nothing new by the end of it. akasha didn't even awaken and the rockstar angle was pointless and used as nothing more than to artificially pad the runtime and make up plot points that went literally nowhere. tvl felt like the writers fucked up version of a 'fix it' fanfiction, because there was nothing that needed to be fixed in iwtv to begin with.
in conclusion, this show did not need to be made. begging jacob to come back just for his character to be treated this way was very, very callous and disrespectful to the phenomenal acting that jacob does. to say im disappointed and heartbroken for jacob, delainey and assad would be an understatement—they have been forced to defend and explain awful choices made for their characters this season despite not having been the ones to write them. and people will continue to use them as scapegoats for this season to pretend that "they were on board" with the racism and antiblackness, as if black and brown actors aren't repeatedly blacklisted for speaking out against bigoted writing choices. my heart bleeds for whatever jacob and assad will be subjected to at sdcc.
tldr; this season would have been written completely differently had louis, claudia and armand been white as they were in the books. rolin, hannah and the others writers for this season sought to create an antiblack, racist, misogynistic, misogynoir-laden mess in a failed attempt to rewrite their white lead's cruelties and victimize him at the expense of every non-white character in the show. and they delight in watching a large portion of their viewership happily consume this slop and defend every single one of their writing choices while their black and brown cast are put on the spot to defend this shit. it is obvious, and to defend or excuse it is doing no more than showing that you support what they've done and don't care about how harmful it is.
and, finally: if you're going to come into my comments or ask box to defend the blatant racism this season, please do not waste your breath. im at the point now where i will be blocking you instead of explaining my thoughts for the hundred millionth time. and beyond that, i have no desire to go back and forth with racist, media illiterate people on the internet.
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why does it feel like in promos/interviews the tvl cast were talking mostly about a different (for the most part better) version of s3 in their heads which they collectively decided was the real one they were acting in
I think this is their way of mourning something they put their whole hearts into for five years. The showrunners have put these actors through the five stages of grief with their shit writing, and what we're seeing is them bargaining their way through it with "if onlys".
if youre black and planned on watching the finale of tvl, don’t. they have the man who lynched Louis carve a branding onto him while his head is severed from his body. there is nothing to see but pure and plain hatred of black people, of louis and jacob especially. jacob is being publicly humiliated and paraded around like this is a slave auction by rolin jones and hannah moskovitch and amc all together and i can assure you I personally will never watch a single second of anything amc makes and this will go down in textbooks next to birth of a nation for graphic grotesque whitelash and punishment of black ppl for Black Lives Matter movement. don’t watch this and let the black people in your life know not to watch it either
people focusing on the writers feeding them with “transfem lestat” while ignoring the vehement antiblackness they're putting the black gay man through kinda perfectly encapsulates the priorities of white queer fandom
Someone called G*bistat a fetish the writers had and I can't agree more!!! It was so unnecessary and made the whole season less impactful because I waited for every scene of theirs to be done. Such a smalllllllll detail in the book was made into 30+ minutes of most episodes. I am glad we know where his abuse comes from but again it was not necessary to show it over and over and harp on the fact.
We wasted so much time this season. We could have had more Paris. We could have had more Children of Darkness. We could have had New Orleans. We could have established characters better.
WE COULD HAVE SET UP THE END OF EPISODE 7 better!!
Anyway do not come for me. I will not hear any argument because I am very anti Gabriella (show). I
nothing will compare to season 1 and 2 where it felt like a coherent story with plot points that moved the story forward and flashbacks that were whole.
just reminding everyone that louis sucked on lestat’s thumb in the pilot episode of this show. the PILOT. lestat didn’t even stick it in there himself. louis just…took it into his mouth……….
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