Sometimes I like to search for my own posts in other sites, especially because my book vs show meta is shared quite a lot. I saw someone share my meta on r/gameofthrones, and without fail, some Sansa stan came to say that I was biased, that I didnât talk about Danyâs âdark momentsâ in the books, that show!Dany was actually whitewashed:
Wow. Wow. I am the one that is biased, clearly *sarcasm*. Also notice how this anti doesnât provide a single book quote to support their wild claims.
âThe only reason Dany took Astapor was for an armyâ
Then why did she free the Unsullied when she didnât need to? Then why did she delay her invasion of Westeros to stay in Slaverâs Bay freeing slaves? Then why did she refuse Yunkaiâs gold, Xaroâs ships, Quentynâs alliance, all things that would have been given freely to her if she decided to leave, and instead chose to stay to ensure peopleâs freedom? Also, see this meta:
https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/182893726737/tatticstudio55-i-didnt-think-id-have-the#notes
âShe was ok with Drogo selling the Lhazareen into slavery, she said it was the price of the Iron Throneâ.
Dany was a 14 years old girl who had no experience on war. Antis like to say that Dany convinced Drogo to invade knowing that he was going to enslave people to do it, but this is not an argument supported by the text at all. When Dany asks Drogo to help her take the Seven Kingdoms, no one mentions the need to sell slaves:
The khalâs mouth twisted in a frown beneath the droop of his long mustachio. âThe stallion who mounts the world has no need of iron chairs.â
Dany propped herself on an elbow to look up at him, so tall and magnificent. She loved his hair especially. It had never been cut; he had never known defeat. âIt was prophesied that the stallion will ride to the ends of the earth,â she said.
âThe earth ends at the black salt sea,â Drogo answered at once. He wet a cloth in a basin of warm water to wipe the sweat and oil from his skin. âNo horse can cross the poison water.â
âIn the Free Cities, there are ships by the thousand,â Dany told him, as she had told him before. âWooden horses with a hundred legs, that fly across the sea on wings full of wind.â
Khal Drogo did not want to hear it. âWe will speak no more of wooden horses and iron chairs.â He dropped the cloth and began to dress. âThis day I will go to the grass and hunt, woman wife,â he announced as he shrugged into a painted vest and buckled on a wide belt with heavy medallions of silver, gold, and bronze.
âYes, my sun-and-stars,â Dany said. Drogo would take his bloodriders and ride in search of hrakkar, the great white lion of the plains. If they returned triumphant, her lord husbandâs joy would be fierce, and he might be willing to hear her out. - Daenerys VI ADWD
Thatâs it. Thatâs the moment Dany asks Drogo to help her take the Seven Kingdoms. Thereâs no mentions of selling slaves at all in their conversation. We donât even know if Dany is aware or not of what taking the Seven Kingdoms is going to take. Given how young and inexperienced she is, it doesnât seem like she gave much thought about the ugly aspects of war at all. Besides, itâs only after the wineseller tries to poison Dany that Drogo mentions that he will rape women and enslave children in Westeros, and at this point, Dany doesnât have much of a say, because Drogo didnât decide to invade Westeros because Dany asked. He decided to invade Westeros because the lives of wis wife (his property) and his son were threatened. This is an affront to his honor, his decision has nothing to do with pleasing Dany, so if she asks him to give up on invading Westeros, he wonât do it (just like he wouldnât invade Westeros just because he asked). Dany didnât seem to be aware of what taking Westeros back with Drogo would take, and after she finds out, she doesnât really have the power to stop it.
And saying that Dany was ok with enslaving the Lhazareen is a blatant lie:
I am the blood of the dragon, Daenerys Targaryen reminded herself as she turned her face away. She pressed her lips together and hardened her heart and rode on toward the gate.
âMost of Ogoâs riders fled,â Ser Jorah was saying. âStill, there may be as many as ten thousand captives.â
Slaves, Dany thought. Khal Drogo would drive them downriver to one of the towns on Slaverâs Bay. She wanted to cry, but she told herself that she must be strong. This is war, this is what it looks like, this is the price of the Iron Throne.
âIâve told the khal he ought to make for Meereen,â Ser Jorah said. âTheyâll pay a better price than heâd get from a slaving caravan. Illyrio writes that they had a plague last year, so the brothels are paying double for healthy young girls, and triple for boys under ten. If enough children survive the journey, the gold will buy us all the ships we need, and hire men to sail them.â
Behind them, the girl being raped made a heartrending sound, a long sobbing wail that went on and on and on. Danyâs hand clenched hard around the reins, and she turned the silverâs head. âMake them stop,â she commanded Ser Jorah. - Daenerys VII AGOT
Dany has little say in whatâs happening here, little agency. She is just the wife of the khal, and what he decides is what happens. This is the very first time Dany is seeing the Dothraki attack anyone (before this, she was just traveling through the Dothraki Sea to Vaes Dothrak). And she is horrified by what she is seeing. Antis love to take the line âthis is the price of the Iron Throneâ out of context, but looking at the context in which the line is said tells us a very different story: when Dany says âthis is war, this is the price of the Iron Throneâ, sheâs not saying it because sheâs ok with slavery. Quite the opposite: she hates what sheâs seeing, and she says this to convince herself that she doesnât care, to tell herself to be strong. But it doesnât work, Dany canât look past the awful things that she is seeing, and only two paragraphs later, she starts trying to save as many women as she can, in the only way she can: by claiming those women for herself.
By the way, Dany puts herself at a huge risk by trying to protect those women, because she is defying Drogoâs men. When her khas goes to enforce her order, the Dothraki fight, and some men die trying to defend their rights to the spoils of war. Many of the men look at her with cold eyes. These men try to complain to the khal about this, and when Drogo dies and Dany loses the protection of his authority, Dany is in grave danger.
https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/186687986788/adamparrush-dany-burning-mirri-maaz-duur-alive#notes
âDany was murdering children in Astaporâ
This is just bad reading comprehension, or this person is trying to distort things. Dany didnât order the killing of children. She ordered only masters and soldiers to be killed, those actively fighting against her to keep slavery. She tell them not to harm any child below 12 to avoid the Unsullied killing innocents. Also, saying âdonât kill anyone under 12âł is not the same thing as saying âkill everyone over 12âł, stupid anti.
https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/184630644137/hi-i-really-enjoy-your-blog-and-your-meta-i#notes
âDany didnât want the entire caravan from Astapor and Yunkai to follow herâ
Thatâs a really dishonest distortion of the facts. This is what Dany actually says:
The raggle-taggle host of freedmen dwarfed her own, but they were more burden than benefit. Perhaps one in a hundred had a donkey, a camel, or an ox; most carried weapons looted from some slaverâs armory, but only one in ten was strong enough to fight, and none was trained. They ate the land bare as they passed, like locusts in sandals. Yet Dany could not bring herself to abandon them as Ser Jorah and her bloodriders urged. I told them they were free. I cannot tell them now they are not free to join me. She gazed at the smoke rising from their cookfires and swallowed a sigh. She might have the best footsoldiers in the world, but she also had the worst. - Daenerys IV ASOS
Dany says that the freedmen are a burden. She is simply stating a fact, the freedmen are a burden. But she refuses to abandon them as her advisors urged, because she freaking cares about them, you idiot.
âThe pile of bodies was high when she took Meereenâ
Of course the pile of bodies was high! A battle to take the city just happened! Usually, when thereâs a battle, people die, and there are bodies. I guess this idiot must think that Jon and Robb won all of their battles without killing a single soul. Letâs just pretend that none of Robbâs victories had any pile of bodies. Like, wow. What kind of argument even was this?
âThey donât talk about the torturing of the winesellerâs daughterâ
Another blatantly lie. I do talk about the torture of the winesellerâs daughters in my books vs show meta, let me quote what I wrote here:
4) Then, after Dany executes Mossador in the name of a fair trial, she decides to throw âfair trialâ out of the window by feeding one of the slavers to her dragons for revenge. This is something that never happens in the books. The closest we have to a problematic action like this is when Dany allows the winesellerâs daughters to be tortured. But this isnât anywhere near as dark as feeding people to her dragons, for various reasons: 1) because Danyâs actions in the books are inserted in a context in which torture is seen as a normal and legitimate means of investigation by the society. Dany is not the only one that does this, and even honorable Jon Snow considers throwing Janos Slynt in an ice cell to force him to comply, and later throws Cregan Karstark in one. So Danyâs actions in the books are lawful, while in the show, they are not; 2) because Dany was trying to investigate. She was angry about what happened, but revenge was not the only motivation; 3) in the books, Dany learns a lesson from this and becomes the only ruler in ASOIAF to explicitly forbid torture.
Another thing that makes the dragon feeding scene so bad is that Dany tells the masters that she doesnât care whoâs innocent or not. But book Daenerys does care about it:
âWe have no proof this is their work. Would you have me slaughter my own subjects?â â Daenerys IV ADWD
Feeding people to her dragons in the show was a criminal action taken by show Dany, and it was made out of revenge, with show Dany saying that she doesnât care about innocence. This is very different from Dany in the books, and much much darker.
âThey donât talk about Dany enslaving people once she becomes queenâ
I donât talk about this because this never happened. Dany does allow people to sell themselves back into slavery, but only if they want to, and she very clearly doesnât want to allow it:
Dany was shocked. âThey want to be slaves?â
âThe ones who come are well spoken and gently born, sweet queen. Such slaves are prized. In the Free Cities they will be tutors, scribes, bed slaves, even healers and priests. They will sleep in soft beds, eat rich foods, and dwell in manses. Here they have lost all, and live in fear and squalor.â
âI see.â Perhaps it was not so shocking, if these tales of Astapor were true. Dany thought a moment. âAny man who wishes to sell himself into slavery may do so. Or woman.â She raised a hand. âBut they may not sell their children, nor a man his wife.â - Daenerys VI ASOS
Dany does this because she thinks itâs for the best. Because people convince her that otherwise, those people will live in fear and squalor. But she makes it very clear that no one is allowed to force another person into slavery. And actually, the majority of the former slaves choose to remain free. I write in more detail about this here:
https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/182694132667/do-the-slaves-of-westeros-really-want-danys-help#notes
âThey donât talk about how Dany treated Irriâ
You mean how Irri started to have sex with Dany on her own free will without Dany ever asking her? You mean how Dany treats Irri wih dignity, respects her consent, and makes it very clear to Irri that she doesnât have to have sex with her if she doesnât want it?
âShould I pleasure the khaleesi?"Dany stepped away from her. "No. Irri, you do not need to do that. What happened that night, when you woke ⌠youâre no bed slave, I freed you, remember? You âŚâ - Daenerys II ASOS
Talk all you want about power difference, but Dany respected Irriâs consent, she treated her with dignity.
https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/187867805480/hiya-mindset-love-your-blog-i-was-reading#notes
And they continued on their bullshit:
They repeat a lot of the stuff I already refuted here, but there are some more:
âJorah killed Rhaego, not MMDâ
Mirri Maz Duur admits she killed Rhaego when Dany accuses her:
Dany gestured at Ser Jorah and the others. âLeave us. I would speak with this maegi alone.â Mormont and the Dothraki withdrew. âYou knew,â Dany said when they were gone. She ached, inside and out, but her fury gave her strength. âYou knew what I was buying, and you knew the price, and yet you let me pay it.â
âIt was wrong of them to burn my temple,â the heavy, flat-nosed woman said placidly. âThat angered the Great Shepherd.â
âThis was no godâs work,â Dany said coldly. If I look back I am lost. âYou cheated me. You murdered my child within me."Â
"The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now. His khalasar shall trample no nations into dust.â - Daenerys IX AGOT
MMD killed an innocent child for revenge, and to prevent a supposed future. She admits it.
âShe said to kill everyone in a tokar, this is every freebornâ
No, the tokar is not worn by every freeborn. The tokar is a masterâs garment, and it makes it impossible to work. Those who wore it are only those who have the wealth and power and donât have to work, aka, the freaking slave masters:
The garment was a clumsy thing, a long loose shapeless sheet that had to be wound around her hips and under an arm and over a shoulder, its dangling fringes carefully layered and displayed. Wound too loose, it was like to fall off; wound too tight, it would tangle, trip, and bind. Even wound properly, the tokar required its wearer to hold it in place with the left hand. Walking in a tokar demanded small, mincing steps and exquisite balance, lest one tread upon those heavy trailing fringes. It was not a garment meant for any man who had to work. The tokar was a masterâs garment, a sign of wealth and power. - Daenerys I ADWD
Again, this freaking obsession antis have to convince people that they loooooove Daenerys. I could go on refuting this idiot, but it can be summed up in âYou Dany stans canât see things objectively, Iâm the only one that uses logic, blah, blah, blahâ. They go on to complain that Dany killed soldiers (none of their faves ever killed soldiers, right?), to say that Dany killed slaves and freed people (no, she didnât), that you canât see things in black and white and divide the situation into slavers and slaves (I guess theyâre trying to say that Dany is bad for killing some supposedly nice slavers), blah, blah blah.
Sorry if I went off, everyone. This made me really angry. Apparently, Iâm the biased one that distorts things, and not this idiot.