(Credit also to @maxwellelvis and @alephnull47, and @wackd for creating the chat and @zarekthelordofthefries for posting the link to the video that somehow accidentally started the tangent that made this the funniest fucking thing ever.)
(Also thanks so much @umbramatic for knowing how to screenshot and crop and upload things that I don’t.)
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Early on in Saga Anderson’s exploration in Alan Wake 2, she runs into Ilmo Koskela. Fiercely proud of his Finnish heritage, Ilmo gregariously makes note of Saga’s Nordic sounding name and the familiar design of her knitted sweater. Perhaps a fellow Finn?
Alas no, Saga’s mom is Swedish she informs him. Immediately Ilmo’s face falls. I’m not sure if it’s actually just the animated character defaulting to his resting face, but either way the timing is too perfect. Cue uproarious laughter from me. People in the Nordics are on friendly terms of course, but we gotta have the tiniest bit of… scornfor each other. All in good fun of course. It’s traditional.
Now, I’m Danish, not Finnish, but still, I feel right at home in the towns of Bright Falls and Watery in Alan Wake 2. All of the little nods to Nordic culture and mindset feel so wonderfully familiar to me. The melancholia, the irreverent sense of humor, the affection for the Finnish and Swedish quirks of the characters. The game feels all the stronger in tone and narrative for Remedy embracing the Finnish roots of the studio.
Which is exactly why it sucks that I almost immediately saw the charm of those narrative decisions weaponised against Saga.
I first watched the scene between Ilmo and Saga on a lets play when I was trying to figure out if I should finally dip my toes into survival horror and buy the game. Delighted by the writing I took a look into the comments to see if people were vibing as hard with it as I was. They were. But I also saw a comment that made me frown.
Paraphrasing, it basically went, come on, like hell a guy like Ilmo would make the assumption that a black woman is Finnish. There are a multitude of reasons why I think that person was wrong, mainly that Nordic people love it when we run into each other in other countries, but it also just made me sad.
Saga being black does not negate her Swedish heritage. Formally, she is American, sure (I assume, not sure how that works in the US), but she’s raised by her single Swedish mom, of course she’s going to identify heavily with that part of her herself. It’s a profound and essential part of who she is.
But hey, I’m a white potato Dane, so I’m not gonna argue that I know much about the experience of being biracial. I’m gonna stick to what I know, which is that Saga is a very moving and beautiful example of something that I’m actually not used to seeing much of - a story about connecting with your Nordic heritage and roots. And it’s part of why I love her so much.
When Nordic people show up in big, international productions, it’s usually as Vikings, and sure, it’s fun to see our wild ancestors, but contemporary questions of Nordic identity and heritage is not something I often see explored. Not even in our own productions.
So much of Saga’s story is about family. Fighting for her current one, Logan and Casey (and sure, David too, lol), and rediscovering her first one. Tor and Odin.
Her discovering her ties to Tor and Odin is profoundly moving and made me teary-eyed several times over. And sure, a lot of those ties are fantastical in nature, but they still feel very much grounded - and what makes us Nordic if not the ties to our myths and legends that Tor and Odin have made themselves the living avatars of.
While Saga’s mom, Freya, had good reasons for leaving the Anderson seer magics behind, seeing them as part of what made her family fucked up, she also cut Saga off from the fullness of her capabilities. It is only through Saga reforming her family, healing its scars and fully embracing the Anderson heritage that she becomes as powerful a parautilitarian as she is at the end of the game. That’s beautiful.
And in fact I think Saga being black only deepens the richness of those themes rather than negate them or make them irrelevant. Because yes, Saga’s story would have been moving if she was a white character too, but I am very well aware that a lot of biracial people of Nordic ancestry can feel alienated from that part of themselves. Not least because questions of who gets to claim a Nordic heritage can get pretty ugly around here. There are most definitely people who share the racist mindset of that commentator. It adds an extra dimension. Which is why seeing Tor and Odin’s eagerness to claim Saga as part of the Anderson heritage is all the more moving. Through her magics, she’s just so obviously an Anderson, and they’re so damn proud to call her theirs and fight alongside her. Because they all got that wild Viking blood in them. They’re part of her and she’s part of them.
Roger Ebert, the film critic once called movies empathy machines. I think games, when they’re at their best, can be an even more intense variation of that. Which is exactly why it baffles me that some people can play through Alan Wake 2 and still think Saga is a stunt-woke character rather than someone fully and beautifully integrated in the narrative. A narrative which, at its most basic level – in my opinion – is about the mystical bonds we form with each other and the rest of the world through art and love and blood and family and heritage. All the great horror doesn’t negate that either, it amplifies it. Kind of like that clicker.
thats unfortunately the thing with this fandom. people can say that they love saga until their blue in the face. then, proceed to push her aside to focus more on casey, alan, scratch, and zane rather than on our lovely protagonist, saga anderson.
as much as i love alan wake, it rubs me the wrong way that scratchwake & caseywake are the most popular ships in the fandom. where andercase only gets crumbs...
YOU GET IT, ANON. It's not even SO much the lack of sipping for Saga, so much as there's not many creations of get period. She's so brilliant with the little time we had with her. She was everything Alan wasn't, and even after everything Alan (unintentionally) put her and her family through, she still didn't hate him (Casey had that covered anyway). There's still so much it Saga that we don't know, and of course all of that couldn't fit in one game with dual protags, but that's where the fandom should want to come in!
What's Saga's day-to-day life like? How was it like being raised by a single white mother? Did Saga get pregnant with Logan or did they CHOOSE to have her young by other means? What was the beginning of her partnership with Casey like? How long did it take for him to warm up to her and become Logan's uncle? HOW AND WHY DO THEY ALWAYS DRINK COFFEE IN SYNC DOWN TO THE SECOND???
All of this to say, people act like Saga was the supporting character instead of Casey, which is where he CHOSE to be. But the fandom flips it around and I fucking hate it. I love my Andercase and there's so much potential with them. Why CAN'T Saga be married and still want to be with Casey? It's what ScratchWakers and CaseyWakers do 99.9% of the time and just give the Wakes an open marriage. Literally saw someone comment on an Andercase drawing with "BUT SAGA IS MARRIED" like??? So is Alan??? His wife is literally the one reason he kept going? I just hate the hypocrisy, man.
Honestly, there's still so many gaps and openings to Saga's life that are interesting to explore!
The whole backstory to her, Freya's falling out with the Andersons sound very intriguing and keeps me wondering What Happened? What's Door's involvement specifically??? But you're right, even to the smaller slice of life: day to day details are fun thinking about 👀 Does Logan know about her grandmom a lot? How did Saga meet David?
I also wonder about her Seer powers and whether Freya knew about them and tried to suppress it/kinda gaslight her own daughter in thinking it was just her childish imagination.... So many routes u can go with Saga's seer powers 🙌
thinking once again about saga anderson and how freaking young she is. and how logan has her surname, not david's. (at least, this is the case in the horror story timeline, but i don't think you'd change a kid's surname after a divorce, right? and actually now that i say that i don't think saga and david got divorced until after logan died? they were just separated before that, weren't they?)
anyway, this makes me think saga and david got married after logan was born and probably because logan was born. they'd have been like 21 years old. i'm sure saga doesn't regret anything, but does she ever feel like she lost her youth? :( and does that influence how eager she is to dive into the strangeness and even the danger of the bright falls case? she is very excited to be working a cult case; an excitement her partner obviously does not share. also notable to me that she says she's never taken a case so far from her family before, and i think she's simultaneously feeling guilty and excited about that too.
and then i'm ALSO thinking about how in the horror story timeline saga would have been married, raised a child for 9 years, lost that child, and gotten divorced, all by the age of 30. (and also proooobably lost her mom within that timeline, or perhaps soon after. it's unclear to me exactly when freya died.)
and oh by the way all that while working up the ranks as fbi agent. she and her husband both must've had to make such sacrifices to do that.
(also the fact that as soon as saga meets tor and odin they're calling her sweetie pie and talking about how she's a viking goddess, it's the instant unconditional love of family that saga never had outside of her mom ugh it really gets me in my feelings.)
Ohhhhhhhh you don't unserSTAND @hearts-are-connected and I have talked at LENGTH about this for months! I always said David and Saga had a drunken hookup in college and then oops baby! Saga wanted to keep the baby but also didn't want it to grow up like she did. Freya did her very best and loved Saga FIERCELY but Saga still didn't have a dad or grandparents, no aunts/uncles, cousins to hang out with. She was lonely and loved. She wanted her child to have everything good in the world, so she married David.
I always just felt that Saga wanted to have the next generation have the Anderson surname, make it something of a tradition, even. Freya absolutely adored that, even if she was desperately worried for her daughter. To want a child this young, with her whole life ahead of her. That had to be terrifying for everyone involved.
I don't think Saga regretted Logan for one second, at any point in time, but I do think she subconsciously knows she missed out on some things she just didn't have the time to do. And the youngest she could've joined the training program for the FBI was 23, so yeah, being a young, married mom with a demanding career? Phew.
I have a lot more thoughts about this, but that's probably for an entirely new post.
first submission here and i just need to vent/rant a little bit so if any of this comes off as werid/mean or doesnt fit here.
Saga Anderson From Alan Wake 2.
People for some reason call her a mary sue because, She has powers and skills. Like, Okay? Then wouldnt alan wake be a gary sue??? And say that shes somehow not interesting, annoying and ugly, First off all Fuck you Shes hot Second of all, Shes not annoying, and She's pretty interesting.
Dont get me started on the one comment i saw where someone was like "ugh! I cringed when alan said that she can stop it he should of been a dick to her" like, First of all, Did you like play alan wake 2 with your eyes closed?? Saga was literally pulled into helping alan escape and Second, God Forbid a Black women is an actual hero and a protagonist.
Honorable Mention: Someone saying that alex casey should of been the protagonist instead of her.. like its giving the "Yeah! Im not racist and this isnt about race but heres 5 white characters who should of been black characters role"
Furthermore, She's often sidelined or erased in fanworks. That, or shes even turned into being a fujoshi for the white men, or is turned into a racist sterotype in favor of the white men.
Like, Look i get it that alan wake is a protagonist but like.. Saga is right there and shes a protagonist! Yet she gets nothing.
Well tbh i feel like, and this might anger some people but like, i feel like in general the alan wake part of the fandom is kinda shit when it comes to female characters.
Alice is sidelined or sometimes treated as the girl geting in the way of Yaoi, Barbara Jagger is often erased or deluded into being a tool that tom doesnt need any more, Rose is dumbed down to being Scratch's love interest and I already talked about saga.
It just pisses me off, There are a lot of really good and interesting female alan wake characters but yet, They're often just pushed out of the way in favor for the white male characters.
this does not come off as weird or mean and it most certainly does fit here. saga anderson propaganda!
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Can a living corpse filled with bloodlust that's actively trying to kill itself and a timeline hopping robotgirl hivemind truly find love in this crazy world
Honestly I find the depiction of the intoner’s sexuality in Drakengard 3 to be really interesting. We’re reminded a number of times that they have this wildly heightened sex drive and need to fuck all the time. This is the kind of thing that would usually get used to drive gratuitous fanservice for a horny male audience. But it just like… Doesn’t. With the exception of Five, none of the intoners seem to actually get any gratification out of sex, and they never express their need to have sex in a way that would be titillating to the viewer. Most of them just seem frustrated and resigned to it at best, and actively repulsed by it at worst. For most of the game whenever any of the disciples try to make a move on Zero she immediately shuts them down, often with a hint of disgust at the idea they’d even suggest it. I believe the only time it’s confirmed she has sex with anyone is in route D with Decadus and Octa, and even then that conversation revolves entirely around how massively disappointing they are in bed.
To me, this all feels like a big metaphor for compulsory heterosexuality. Having sex with men isn’t something you’re supposed to enjoy, you just have to do it to be complete as a woman. Alternatively or in addition to that, it could also be seen as how sex can be used as an unhealthy coping mechanism after trauma.
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how many studies have to show that "just" using they/them pronouns or "just" calling yourself as nonbinary is enough to be affected by systemic transphobia before people stop acting like non-medical-transitioning nonbinary people are not living functionally cis lives.
Nonbinary workers in California are concentrated in lowest-paying jobs, report shows
Data from private employers with 100 or more employees showed that, as of 2020, between 50% and 55% of workers who classified themselves as nonbinary were in a low-paying category of jobs, those paying less than $30,679 a year, said the California Civil Rights Department. In comparison, 32% of male employees and 43% of female workers earned less than that amount.
And between 35% and 40% of nonbinary workers were in the lowest-paying category of jobs, those paying $19,239 or less, compared with 22% of male employees and 30% of female employees.
2024 data: "5-10% of all reported non-binary workers were reported in the highest pay band, while 40-45% of all reported non-binary workers were reported in the lowest pay band."
Taryn versus Taryn (she/her) versus Taryn (they/them): A Field Experiment on Pronoun Disclosure and Nonbinary Hiring Discrimination
Nonbinary people have a gender identity that falls outside the male-female binary. To investigate hiring discrimination against this group, thousands of randomly generated fictitious resumes were submitted to job postings in pairs where the treatment resume contained pronouns listed below the name and the control resume did not. Two treatments were considered: nonbinary "they/them" and binary "he/him" or "she/her" pronouns congruent with implied sex. Hence, discrimination is estimated against nonbinary and presumed cisgender applicants who disclose pronouns. Results show that disclosing "they/them" pronouns reduces positive employer response by 5.4 percentage points. There is also evidence that discrimination is larger (approximately double) in Republican than Democratic geographies. By comparison, results are inconclusive regarding discrimination against presumed cisgender applicants who disclose pronouns; if discrimination does exist, it is of lower magnitude than discrimination against nonbinary applicants who disclose pronouns.
Workplace Experiences of Nonbinary Employees
The majority of nonbinary adults in the workforce are under age 35 (87%), and half (51%) are people of color. About three-quarters (74%) of nonbinary people in the workforce are making less than $50,000 a year.
Our analysis [n=163] indicates that employment discrimination against nonbinary employees is persistent and widespread. At some point in their lives, about six in 10 nonbinary employees (59%) reported experiencing discrimination or harassment at work (including being fired, not hired, not promoted, or verbally, physically, or sexually harassed) because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
Many nonbinary employees reported recent experiences of discrimination and harassment. Within the past year, 16% of nonbinary employees reported that they had been fired, not hired, or not promoted because of their sexual orientation or gender identity, and 20% reported experiencing harassment at work. One in four (26%) nonbinary employees reported experiencing adverse treatment because of their LGBTQ status at their current job.
Many nonbinary employees also reported engaging in actions to avoid discrimination and harassment, including hiding their nonbinary identity and changing their appearance or behaviors. Nearly half (45%) of nonbinary employees were not out to their current supervisor, and 17% were not out to any of their co-workers. Two-thirds (67%) of nonbinary employees reported downplaying their LGBTQ status at work by doing one or more of the following: changing their speech, mannerisms, appearance, or how they dress at work; avoiding work social events; or not talking about their outside activities at work.
Nearly six in 10 (58%) nonbinary employees have looked for another job because of how they were treated based on their sexual orientation or gender identity at work, and half (50%) reported leaving a job because of such treatment.
The labour market outcomes of transgender individuals
[W]hen grouped by sex assigned at birth — (3) AMAB and (4) AFAB — the income of those with a genderqueer non-binary identity is significantly less than those with a transgender male/female identity (i.e. AMAB QNB < MTF and AFAB GQNB < FTM). These income gaps are consistent with GQNBs facing additional income penalties from identifying outside of the more socially accepted male/female binary, although the descriptive nature of these results precludes causal inference.
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honestly I hate “can you pet the dog?!?” not for any of the common reasons but because it was initially interesting as a proposition of “can you interact with the world in a way that is not within the primary mechanical loop” and that very quickly fell away to being “well now any indie developer making a game has to have a pet the dog button or they’re going to get letters”
One of my dream projects has an NPC with a dog, and if you try to pet it, the owner tells you not to do that. If you try again, it bites you and you take damage. I want to do this entirely because I genuinely believe that this would make me feel way more grounded in the world than any “click button to see cute animation” would ever do, and also it would be really funny to have a game where people lose their runs because they tried to pet a dog they were told not to pet
I love how the implication here also seems to be that when his commitment to Trans Rights wars with his hatred of Spider-Man his conclusion is to assume that if Spider-Man is Trans then he went through HRT solely as a way to discredit him by making it look like he hates Trans people XD
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