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thereâs been a sustanon shortage in the uk for around 10 months and itâs not the first one thatâs happened either. can people please stop saying âthereâs unlimited hormones let people do what they wantâ
theres more to this exchange than i wrote and a lot of it was p mind numbing
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breaking down this (an anti-transmed list of sources) under the cut
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I understand that the NHS site says that androgynous people are gender diverse, but if they meant âandrogynous people donât have dysphoria but the rest doâ they would just say that?
I personally think itâs willful ignorance to suggest that when the NHS says that ânot all gender diverse people experience gender dysphoriaâ that is actually must mean androgynous cis people. It means all trans people, (I do disagree with the inclusion of androgynous) but I think youâre just discrediting the source on a technicality.
I would ask you to maybe not say that this source isnât trustworthy because of that one part you have nitpicked out from it, especially since people are going to see that you refuted it in some way and then run with it, saying that itâs false and wrong when it really isnât?Â
the reason i specifically centred on this wasnât nitpicking.
the site says âit is important to note that not all gender diverse people experience gender dysphoria,â and in the next paragraph (your screenshot) lists androgynous people as part of the âdiversity of people.â therefore itâs not in support of the âyou donât need dysphoria to be transâ argument.
itâs a very short page, so i wouldnât expect lines upon lines of explaining their wording, but because the page is so short itâs apparent to me that the two (gender diverse people and androgynous people) are conflated. this is how i read the page personally, and iâm not the original writer so i canât be sure but i doubt you wrote it either.
and i didnât say âdonât trust the nhs.â i said âthis source also says that âgenderdivers[ity]â includes people who are androgynous. you can be cis and androgynous,â discrediting the site as a source for âyou can be trans without dysphoriaâ as opposed to a source overall. maybe youâre the one nitpicking because in my original post i actually said this:
"but psychology has always been a left-wing field" this is because science itself is left-wing, because the right-wing is anti-science.
that may be true for a lot of right wing people (e.g. american conservatives denying climate change, or christian creationists denying evolution) but a political bias is still a bias and being subjective in science isnât a good thing. also just to be entirely clear iâm not right wing or conservative by any means.
here are some quotes from the sources i listed in the post that show what i mean:
[Psychology being left-wing] discouraged conservative students from joining the field, and it discouraged conservative members from pursuing certain lines of argument.
The topics that social psychologists chose to study and how they chose to study them, he argued, suffered from homogeneity.
âItâs not like the whole field is undercut, but when it comes to research on controversial topics, the effect is most pronounced,â he later told me.
âThe same people who are exquisitely sensitive to discrimination in other areas are often violently antagonistic when it comes to political ideology, bringing up clichĂŠd arguments that they wouldnât accept in other domains: âThey arenât smart enough.â 'They donât want to be in the field.â â
âScience benefits from diverse perspectives, and key advances often occur when ideas slip across disciplinary borders. But many invisible norms and practices in a field can discourage the mingling of diverse ideas.â
Political homogeneity, he went on, comes at âa substantial costâ to research quality.
Conservative viewpoints, the Florida State University psychologist Roy Baumeister added, âwould inform and elevate how we understand a huge part of life and of culture.â
As the degree of conservatism rose, so, too, did the hostility that people experienced. Conservatives really were significantly more afraid to speak out. Meanwhile, the liberals thought that tolerance was high for everyone.
Now, anyone that knows anything about conformity and social pressures would probably guess that the actual number of conservatives is higher than the number that raised their hands that day.
"What onefinds in psychological research often hinges on what one islooking for and how hard one looksâ (Tetlock & Mitchell,1993, pp. 249-250). If liberal questions are asked, one islikely to get liberal answers. One is unlikely to get conservative answers, however, if one fails to characterize problems from a conservative perspective.

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breaking down this (an anti-transmed list of sources) under the cut
the american psychiatric association is known for being a left-wing crowd pleaser
dr. nicholas cummings (an ex-apa president) literally admitted this (source)
and whilst he was the apa president in 1979 and the source is from 2005, especially with social media more recent apa members could easily kill their careers for speaking out. iâm not saying this is 100% the case, but psychology has always been a left-wing field (source, source, source, source, source)
also a q&a on their website written by two individuals isnât really objective fact
to me this is worded really weirdly lol
but like the apa, organisations (especially those somewhat dependent on donations like lambda legal) are often coerced into certain views
and regardless, a legal company arenât gonna be at the front of transgender science, even if theyâre an lgbt focused firm
this source also says that âgenderdivers[ity]â includes people who are androgynous. you can be cis and androgynous
gender dysphoria canât be a mental illness because you canât âfixâ it with therapy or medication that focuses on your brain - most transmeds know this, and most think itâs a neurological disorder
the second link also says âitâs a recognised medical conditionâ
and whilst yes the last quote says that the distress is due to the disconnect, to me it reads like a ~universal causation~ i.e. the mismatch will cause some level of discomfort or distress as opposed to âsome people experience the discomfort or distressâ
the source also pretty much point-blank states and consistently implies that the mismatch will cause some levels of discomfort/distress - âtreatment for gender dysphoria aims to help reduce or remove the distressing feelings of a mismatch between biological sex and gender identity,â â[adults with gender dysphoria] may also have a strong desire to change or get rid of physical signs of their biological sex,â âthe assessment will determine whether you have gender dysphoria and what your needs are, which could include: whether there's a clear mismatch between your biological sex and gender identity [...]â
iâm not debunking the nhs as a source because it comes from a medical (not specifically psychiatric) organisation with clinics and doctors trained specifically to deal with transgender patients, their site has been assessed by an external board, and they donât really care about being controversial regarding trans people (e.g. their wait times for clinics can go up to 4 years and itâs basically illegal to surpass 18 weeks). i donât trust them fully but itâs personally the most valid source
if you follow the citation in the first cap, the original proposal states âthe diagnostic criteria should be distress based,â nothing about âidentity (per se)â
the second cap is just true lol
i think what the person writing the google doc is trying to say is âassociated doesnât mean alwaysâ but in a diagnostic sense associated means theyâre literally connected. in the same book for example it says âdepression is associated with sadnessâ and the first diagnostic criterion for depression is feeling low
and i know thereâs a lot of debate about if the dsm is reliable but that discourse is mostly between the dsm-5 and previous versions - the criteria for gender dysphoria really hasnât changed, only through semantics
the dsm is a psychiatric manual though, so whilst i may be in agreement with this i donât know how much i trust it regarding transness
transequality says that thereâs nothing inherently upsetting about being trans and that itâs all about society lol. also they arenât a medical organisation
nbcnews cites the APAâs q&a regarding gender dysphoria. see above
ftmmagazineâs page about gender dysphoria has been taken down
mediumâs article is anecdotal
genderanalysisâs is also anecdotal
and just while iâm here, the link provided spreads misinformation about hrt. âif you decide you donât like hrt, you can easily stop after a month or two with little or no permanent changesâ - this may be more true for trans women (who theyâre talking about) than trans men, but chest tissue still changes and it only takes a couple of months to become sterile forever, and it definitely isnât true for trans men on hrt yet this difference isnât mentioned at all.
it also defines dysphoria as âvivid repulsionâ and âstrong, clear aversive and negative feelingsâ towards ones sex characteristics, but thereâs a lot more to it than that - a fundamental misunderstanding of dysphoria isnât a great look for a source about dysphoria
i agree with this! again i think itâs a neurological disorder
however scientificamerican discusses demedicalising being trans full stop, and endorses informed consent
dictionaries arenât medical resources
wikipedia is useful, but everyone knows itâs unreliable
transstudent doesnât say that dysphoria or distress isnât required
rcpsych is a british institute that again talks about âgender diverse peopleâ i.e. androgynous people
transmeds really donât think thereâs a strict 100% male or female brain, just brains with masculine and feminine features and thatâs what these sources agree with!
newscientist says âIf a neuroscientist was given someoneâs brain without their body or any additional information, they would still probably be able to guess if it had belonged to a man or a womanâ - thatâs the whole point
fastcompany says âIndeed, there are some differences in the brains of men and women. Menâs brains are about 10% bigger than womenâs brains, which happens to be about the same as our height and weight differenceâ - again, thatâs the point
sciencedaily says âyou often find that the differences are minimalâ - there are still differences
plaidzebra discusses a study that only focused on the hippocampus. it also comes from somebody who thinks all of gender is socially constructed (it isnât. people are trans for a reason)
transmedicalists cite other studies (see the first three sources), but the last two links still provide evidence there are differences, even if minute
them makes the mistake again of thinking âbrain sexâ means âbrains are 100% male or femaleâ
they admit that there is observable difference between a transgender brain and a cisgender brain, but persists in the idea that observing this is transphobic - biology isnât transphobic
thedailybeast brings up some good points about brain studies potentially leading to eugenics, but i feel like instantly treating trans science as a conspiracy is jumping the gun - the consensus of the people behind these studies is that these studies are to advance transgender care
they also say that lgbt science doesnât affect the publicâs view of lgbt people in any way, but that trans science could see a surge of conversion therapy. so what is the truth?
and they compare the idea of finger length indicating sexuality (from 2000) to brain studies. being transgender has a medical basis, sexuality vs. finger length does not
the guardian conflates gender roles and the effects of gender roles with gender
and they say that they deny brain studies because if brain studies are correct âthe oppression of women and queer people has a natural basisâ ????
these really arenât reliable sources about being trans
honestly call me lazy but iâm not gonna touch on this bit as i believe an agender type of identity probably does exist, and a lot of transmeds do as well. if you wanna break it down yourself absolutely go for it
also the APA is bullshit
the links are all broken
that being said, most nb genders that arenât western donât apply to our idea of non-binary anyway (itâs like trying to apply fundamental hindu ideas to christianism)
and they tend to come from places of homophobia and misogyny anyway, as ways to punish gender non-conformity, intersex people, women, and homosexuality
in conclusion: donât trust the APA, the NHS doesnât say you donât need gender dysphoria to be trans, a law firm isnât a medical source, gatekeeping is healthy if it protects resources and support that certain people need to survive
For the last time, itâs fuckin simple. People are attracted to your *perceived* sex, aka your sex characteristics, NOT your identity, and NOT your chromosomes either. If a trans man completely passes, people attracted to men might be attracted to him, whereas if he doesnât pass, people attracted to women might be attracted to him (and vice versa for trans women.) Also: if someone finds out that youâre trans and doesnât want to sleep with you because of your genitals, THATS PERFECTLY FINE AND REASONABLE.
Sources
First known use of âtransgenderâ
Comparison of BSTc size and shape
Quality of life in treated transsexuals
Common questions
Am I supposed to feel like a specific gender?
How do I know Iâm experiencing gender dysphoria? [1] [2] [3]
What else could these feelings be? [1] [2]
Whatâs the difference between body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria?
Should I use inclusive language for transgender people?
Does not being attracted to transgender people make me transphobic?
How can I help loved ones that are transgender?
Research & info
List of peer-reviewed papers on gender, transgender and intersex conditions
Collection of transgender studies on Tumblr
Helpful information for and about transgender people
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This is EXCELLENT
informative? pretty? sources cited? easy to understand? this is PERFECT
reblogging this again for an anon who wanted good sources and cites!!
cis tucute? thatâs a funky way of saying transphobe
I wonder how truscum/transmeds would feel knowing that my gender therapist, upon hearing me explain what truscum were, laughed because of how wrong they were. She genuinely thought I was joking at first, especially with the stuff about the DSM-V and the APA.
Whodda thunk that a licensed professional would be anti-transmeâ-oh wait, basically any anti-transmed with half a fucking brain. Hm.
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@the-defiant-pupil can testify that the voice of one medical professional certainly doesnât outweigh⌠countless others. Heâs had therapists literally say the OPPOSITE and scoff at tucutes so ig your therapist isnât the be all end all of opinions :/
How much y'all wanna bet op told their doctor that truscum were foaming-at-the-mouth transphobes who think you need to hate yourself to be trans while claiming tucutes are innocent white knights of trans rights who do no wrong
Because I am betting BIG money.

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no offence but transness isnât a spiritual experience, a world view, a lifestyle, or any other hippie shit. youâre trans or youâre not, thatâs it.
how do trans want everyone to accept them when they couldnt even accept themselves from the start?
????
i accept myself i accept trans people i'm talking about people who act like being trans as something interesting and #woke when it really isnât its just a thing people are
also i think everyone wants people to accept them and treat them with basic dignity and respect but maybe that's just us silly trans people haha :)
no offence but transness isn't a spiritual experience, a world view, a lifestyle, or any other hippie shit. you're trans or you're not, that's it.
You know, if youâre a cis gay male and you donât want to date a trans man because you arenât attracted to him, thatâs fine.
But if you start calling him a âstraight girlâ or a fujoshi and saying that heâs fetishising gay relationships and constantly bring up the fact that heâs a biological female, then youâre just an asshole. No one is forcing you to date them, so thereâs no need for you to get worked up anyway, but for you to go this far to severely misgender people intentionally is so beyond disgusting. Iâve read comments that have literally made me sick because my dysphoria got so bad. I think you should rethink your morals
an ex president of the APA literally said they're influenced by left wing activists and this was before social media and witch hunting. a q&a on their website written by two individuals with no evidence doesn't hold any weight whatsoever
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Being trans is not a trans personâs defining trait and shouldnât be treated as such. They should be treated like any other person, by their personality traits. Itâs an illness, not your social/political movement.
itâs not an illness thanks
It is closely tied to an illness, as you cannot be trans unless you have gender dysphoria. You wouldnât claim to be schizophrenic if you had no schizophrenia, would you? Itâs a medical phenomenon, not a fashion statement or a hip way to give yourself personality. Itâs not really that hard.
shyness, awkwardness and introversion are commonly associated and closely linked with anxiety disorders but you can have those traits without having anxiety and being shy isnât an illness
I donât care for your stance on transmed/tucute debate, calling being transgender an illness is really fucking offensive, disgusting, dehumanising and just fucking wrong. Itâs hurtful and gross and is literally copy-pasting the transphobic arguments made by cis people as to why being trans is wrong.
If you are cis: stop
If you are trans: work on your internalised transphobia
transmedicalist or not, could you just explain to me why you think the idea of someone having an illness is âreally fucking offensive, disgusting, dehumanising, [âŚ] hurtful and grossâ?
(and before this gets misconstrued: if for example youâd said âcalling being chinese an illness is dehumanisingâ iâd agree with you 100%, but you donât pursue medical treatment for being chinese and there arenât conditions linked with it in the way dysphoriaâs linked with being transgender.)
many people who even say theyâre non-dysphoric pursue (or want to pursue) medical transition. endocrinology is a branch of medicine, surgery is a branch of medicine, gender therapy is a branch of medicine - these all aid transgender people specifically regarding them being transgender, and are pretty essential to most being able to live their lives or even just being able to function comfortably.
treatment can be defined as âmedical care given to a patient for an illness or injuryâ and illness, whilst not the best word i do agree (condition would be better), can be defined as âa period of sickness affecting the body or mindâ - would you not agree this aligns with being trans?
Iâm not feeling like reading the entire message so Iâm just gonna answer your question:
Thereâs nothing wrong with having an illness, I have never said that. But being transgender is not an illness and is literally what transphobes have been saying for years as a reason why weâre unnatural and should go to conversion therapy instead of transitioning. Transmed discourse aside, you shouldnât be reusing the same argument used to dehumanise and harass trans people.
treatment for trans peopleâs transness exists. you donât treat nothing, therefore transness is an illness, condition, or disorder.
illness:Â âthe condition of being ill, or in poor healthâ condition:Â âan illness or other medical problemâ disorder:Â âa problem or illness which affects someoneâs mind or bodyâ
there is a loaded history between being trans and the word âillness,â i recognise that, but thereâs also a loaded history between being, say, schizophrenic and the word âsickness.â it doesnât mean that in a well-intentioned, educated, or medical context âsicknessâ isnât an appropriate term for schizophrenia.
personally illness doesnât feel like the correct word for being trans, but when i was questioning a long time ago the words i used a lot were âdisorderâ and âillness.â itâs also more appropriate if you were to come out to a very young family member for example, to say âi have an illness where my mind doesnât match my body and it makes me a boyâ instead of âiâve been diagnosed with gender dysphoria which means neurologically my sex is disconnected from my gender.â doesnât mean youâre dehumanising yourself.
Hooo boy thereâs a lot of shit to unpack here but letâs just throw away the whole suitcase
âin context and with the right intent some words are usefulâ âgood luck with your internalised transphobiaâ
anyway the word illness isnât like tr*nny - it wasnât created to hurt trans people, it doesnât now exist to hurt trans people, and itâs never been co-opted so broadly to hurt trans people that it justifies outlawing it.
if youâre serious in your convictions but youâre tired and have a headache, sleep and reply when youâre next ready. donât have a discourse blog if youâre just going to throw some tumblr line at me when you canât be bothered to break down what i say - if thereâs so much to unpack it should be easy.
Itâs⌠Not a discourse blog
your url fits the âxyz against abcâ discourser urls, you have a list of discourse/political stances in your about, and you engage in discourse, so i hope you can see where i got that idea.
however, if thatâs all you have to say i hope we can agree to agree.
Being trans is not a trans personâs defining trait and shouldnât be treated as such. They should be treated like any other person, by their personality traits. Itâs an illness, not your social/political movement.
itâs not an illness thanks
It is closely tied to an illness, as you cannot be trans unless you have gender dysphoria. You wouldnât claim to be schizophrenic if you had no schizophrenia, would you? Itâs a medical phenomenon, not a fashion statement or a hip way to give yourself personality. Itâs not really that hard.
shyness, awkwardness and introversion are commonly associated and closely linked with anxiety disorders but you can have those traits without having anxiety and being shy isnât an illness
I donât care for your stance on transmed/tucute debate, calling being transgender an illness is really fucking offensive, disgusting, dehumanising and just fucking wrong. Itâs hurtful and gross and is literally copy-pasting the transphobic arguments made by cis people as to why being trans is wrong.
If you are cis: stop
If you are trans: work on your internalised transphobia
transmedicalist or not, could you just explain to me why you think the idea of someone having an illness is âreally fucking offensive, disgusting, dehumanising, [âŚ] hurtful and grossâ?
(and before this gets misconstrued: if for example youâd said âcalling being chinese an illness is dehumanisingâ iâd agree with you 100%, but you donât pursue medical treatment for being chinese and there arenât conditions linked with it in the way dysphoriaâs linked with being transgender.)
many people who even say theyâre non-dysphoric pursue (or want to pursue) medical transition. endocrinology is a branch of medicine, surgery is a branch of medicine, gender therapy is a branch of medicine - these all aid transgender people specifically regarding them being transgender, and are pretty essential to most being able to live their lives or even just being able to function comfortably.
treatment can be defined as âmedical care given to a patient for an illness or injuryâ and illness, whilst not the best word i do agree (condition would be better), can be defined as âa period of sickness affecting the body or mindâ - would you not agree this aligns with being trans?
Iâm not feeling like reading the entire message so Iâm just gonna answer your question:
Thereâs nothing wrong with having an illness, I have never said that. But being transgender is not an illness and is literally what transphobes have been saying for years as a reason why weâre unnatural and should go to conversion therapy instead of transitioning. Transmed discourse aside, you shouldnât be reusing the same argument used to dehumanise and harass trans people.
treatment for trans peopleâs transness exists. you donât treat nothing, therefore transness is an illness, condition, or disorder.
illness:Â âthe condition of being ill, or in poor healthâ condition:Â âan illness or other medical problemâ disorder:Â âa problem or illness which affects someoneâs mind or bodyâ
there is a loaded history between being trans and the word âillness,â i recognise that, but thereâs also a loaded history between being, say, schizophrenic and the word âsickness.â it doesnât mean that in a well-intentioned, educated, or medical context âsicknessâ isnât an appropriate term for schizophrenia.
personally illness doesnât feel like the correct word for being trans, but when i was questioning a long time ago the words i used a lot were âdisorderâ and âillness.â itâs also more appropriate if you were to come out to a very young family member for example, to say âi have an illness where my mind doesnât match my body and it makes me a boyâ instead of âiâve been diagnosed with gender dysphoria which means neurologically my sex is disconnected from my gender.â doesnât mean youâre dehumanising yourself.
Hooo boy thereâs a lot of shit to unpack here but letâs just throw away the whole suitcase
âin context and with the right intent some words are usefulâ âgood luck with your internalised transphobiaâ
anyway the word illness isnât like tr*nny - it wasn't created to hurt trans people, it doesn't now exist to hurt trans people, and it's never been co-opted so broadly to hurt trans people that it justifies outlawing it.
if youâre serious in your convictions but youâre tired and have a headache, sleep and reply when you're next ready. donât have a discourse blog if youâre just going to throw some tumblr line at me when you canât be bothered to break down what i say - if thereâs so much to unpack it should be easy.