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coming over from twitter to share this but please have a read through, share, boost, and sign!! weâre a group of phannies from africa, asia, and latam trying to make TIT global :â)
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Raising awareness to Dan and Phil that fans in Latam, Asia, and Africa want to see them tour in their countries!
Do you guys ever think about how we are a small culture and we have created holidays that we celebrate with each other and sometimes people take off work for them and we have traditions and gifts and crafts that we make for each other
The most relatable moment of the stream was Dan having a phannie-scale mental breakdown at the idea of Phil possibly walking out in a slutty priest costume
alright, this is my phocumentary tv screen analysis. dan said we manifested this (giving the people what they want). they're gonna give new life to something old (saying goodbye forever) by telling us things we never knew about them and/or their videos through the years (something we want to tell you) â starting from the very beginning (phil's video blog and hello internet)
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â...honestly, weâre very thankful that the world is in a place right now where we both could have been so vulnerable and it was accepting.â - Daniel Howell, Attitude Magazine
we need to expand our minds beyond just a tour or documentary. have we considered this is a whole new era and cascade of projects being heralded in like jesus on his donkey
Why I Donât Think the Secret Project⢠Is a TourâThis Time With Facts!
Let me start out by saying I do think theyâve brought up another tour enough that it will happen at some point, I just donât think it will be this soon! (Also keep in mind Dan did imply there are two things coming up in his Tweet.) That being said, obviously I could be totally wrong. But hey, if they do announce a tour in a couple of weeks, there has to be someone that gets clowned by the announcement, and Iâm happy to take the fall <3 Post under cut as it's long (1.3k words đ)
The main reason I donât think theyâre announcing a tour is timing, but I do also have something to say about the hints theyâve been dropping and why I also donât think it necessarily points towards a tour. So, to start, letâs look at how long they spent planning TATINOF and II. In âThe Making of TABINOF,â Phil says they are releasing the book (on October 8th 2015) after working on it for a year and a half, which would be April 2014. Presumably, this is around the time they started working on TATINOF as well because they were supposed to be companions. TABINOF and TATINOF were announced together on March 26th 2015, so almost exactly a year after they started planning them. Even if you want to guess that TATINOF planning started a few months after TABINOF planning, keep in mind that they originally only planned the UK leg and planned the US tour after that. The UK leg ended November 15 2015 and they announced the US leg February 26 2016. So thatâs a little over two months of them planning the US leg alone, when they already had the show itself all sorted.
With II, we know they were actively planning it for about a year. Phil follows that up to say they planned it for âthe majority of this year [2018],â so letâs just call it 10-11 months. More so than that, Dan said that they realized they wanted to do a second tour âhalfway throughâ TATINOF, which in my best guess places that decision around summer 2016. This means they seriously considered doing a second tour for ~6 months before they even started planning it.Â
Now, if the new project coming up is a tour, theyâve only been working on it for 6 months max. They only brought back the gaming channel 7 months ago, and we know from the end of Danâs bday live stream that they didnât start working on this project until they realized how many people still liked their content: âWe were so shocked about how much people care about this light entertainment, sat-in-this-chair-ass content. [...] It took us by such surprise, and now weâre like, where is this going. [...] It was supposed to be a âletâs just do this for a bit and see what happens.â [...] So now we find ourselves going, well okay, this channel, this content, the people, the future of it. What else are we gonna do? 'Cause it seems like there's a thing here.âÂ
So itâs up to you to decide when they realized that, but I think it was probably sometime in November at the absolute earliest, and then they still needed time after that to decide what theyâre going to do, and then actually plan it. (And honestly, I doubt they started actively planning anything in December during gamingmas, but you never know!! Also like I said in my original post about this, Dan was still doing WAD stuff up until February and then some book promo stuff after that, so he was busy with that as well.)
So, thatâs all to say, I really donât think theyâve had time to plan an entire tour. At the very least, not a world tour, but I donât know if theyâd announce a UK-only leg and plan the worldwide tour later based on what they said about choosing to plan II all at once, rather than the split up way they did with TATINOF (also keep in mind that Dan announced WAD all at once, like d&p did with II). Idk I just donât think theyâd announce a tour without having it all planned!
Okay, so, besides the random hints that theyâre busy planning something, we also have Philâs comment about saving money in his Cactus Club post. He wrote âI also just wanted to make your cactus a lil more affordable as Dan and I get busy on what is âŚ. next⌠??â Now while this seems to imply saving up for something (hence why the membership needs to be affordable), he doesnât outright say that. Then in his Q&A vid, he answers a question about what heâs cooking that specifically asks, âShould I save my money?â And interestingly, Phil doesnât address the money part of the question. Now maybe he just couldnât say anything about saving money, maybe it would've been too on-the-nose. But Iâm also sure plenty of other people asked that question without asking about saving, which means he chose to specifically ignore that part. To me, it seems kinda weird to outright exclude that if the project is something people will have to pay a lot of money upfront for (i.e. tour tickets), but again thatâs just my opinion.
(Also just a secondary note on Philâs answerâhe actually says, âLook, I can neither confirm nor deny something might happen in the next month.â I find the phrasing he chose really interesting. He didnât say an announcement was coming, he said something was going to happen. Dan also never explicitly said to look forward to an âannouncement,â he just said theyâve been cooking and to give it a couple of weeks. Obviously this could all mean nothing and maybe it is an announcement (whether it be for a tour or something else), but I actually think whatever the project is might be getting released not just announced. But idk!)
A moment of me speculating based on vibes (that also negates the note I just made about this potentially being a release rather than an announcement): part of me thinks this project might be something/similar to something they tried to get off the ground before but then never came to fruition! This gifset by @reunitedinterlude got me thinking about projects that they didnât get to do for various reasons (namely COVID lol). I think one of these (either one of Philâs ideas that heâs now brought Dan onto, or something they were trying to do together from the get go) would actually make a lot of sense for whatâs getting announced. It would be something that they had already started work on, so it doesnât take as much planning as something brand new, meaning it could be announced sooner. Additionally, I just feel like theyâve been so vague about whatâs coming up, but theyâve also been super excited! They seem really proud about whatever theyâve been cooking. While I obviously think theyâd be excited to do another world tour, part of me just feels like they might be this excited because itâs something new that theyâve never done before. Also, if itâs some kind of game show type thing, it would make sense that Dan said the project is a âcelebrationâ of the gaming channel. But again this is just based on vibes lol.
In conclusion, I do think weâll get a third Dan and Phil tour, I just donât think itâs whatâs getting announced(/released?) in the coming weeks. But I wouldnât be surprised if itâs the next thing they announce after whatever this upcoming thing is! If you think Iâm dead wrong and actually other people have planned world tours in <6 months please let me know, Iâm happy to be proven wrong bc I would love another tour :)
i don't know why this feels bigger than what they've done before. if it's a tour that would be great, but my gut feeling is for something else and i don't know why they would make a documentary if they don't plan to unveal truths they've never touched on before. that terrifies me immensely
especially considering all the old footage they've hinted at/had in the background of that clip and story/referenced lately... it doesn't feel like a tour promo, it feels like a memory lane journey and what else would that mean for us if not putting history into a new perspective?
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ok the reasons iâm not convinced on tour hill just yet is like. sure between the last tatinof show and the first ii show there was less than two years (i think ?) so they could technically do one pretty soon in relation to wad But ! like post ii exhaustion literally led to the hiatus and i feel like theyâre both slightly better at the work life balance now. and like. stuff like that takes ages to plan, so i feel like that means they would have started pre gaming channel revival seeing how big of a production dnp makes their shows. idk i might be wrong but the vibes donât feel tour to Me.
I needed a place to organise all the info we've gotten from DNP about what the hell they're cooking, so this is the place. I might have missed things, so please always check the original post for the most up to date version of contents as I might change or add things over time. Any questions, just shoot me an ask or something. Thank you and happy conjecturing!
I tried to arrange the info roughly chronologically in each category.
It's probably more than one thing
Dan mentioned some things coming "somewhat after and a little bit soon after"
Phil said, "We've got a few things in our mouth at the moment"
Definition of "agenda" suggests multiple things
Money stuff
Phil made his cactus club subscription more affordable in preparation for what he and Dan are doing next
Phil took a question about what they're cooking in his latest Q&A video. He said that something may or may not "happen in the next month", but did not answer the section asking if we should be saving up for it.
Those who RSVP'ed will "be notified first as soon as the news drops" -> presumably related to a limited quantity of items up for grabs, which is why I've included it in this section, but that's just my guess
Concept / Nature of the Thing(s)
Someone on Twitter said, "So the phlonde has been in the works for months if that was the main reason he let his hair grow out" and Dan replied with, "what else is he plotting"
Dan and Phil included a blurred out image of a text message in their video, which Dan called "the draft for something that is top secret".
SuperSeizer (one of Dan and Phil's editors) is in on what's happening (the other person in this interaction is their other editor Kris, who may also be involved, depending on how you read this interaction)
In his birthday livestream, Dan talked about how they revived the gaming channel not knowing what the response would be, and were shocked by the enthusiasm from their audience. "Because it seems like there's a thing here. [...] And we need to be like, celebrate the things, acknowledge the things. So, I guess we can say in the most vague way that we can that Dan and Phil have been cooking."
Dan posted his story with the words, "the time is nigh - want to know what dan and phil have been secretly cooking? / reply to this story with: RSVP / and we will send you a dm as soon as the truth is revealed"
Another definition of "agenda" is "the underlying intentions or motives of a particular person or group".
5 of the images in the TV screens have been identified as of right now: Phil's Video Blog, Hello Internet, Saying Goodbye Forever, Giving The People What They Want, and Something We Want to Tell You
Laylo, the website DNP are using for this announcement, is a platform that creators can use to release merch, tickets, or content.
Dan and Phil would have been aware that they were using the tour email at first, as they would have had to manually enter it themselves. (Thanks @dnpbeats for the investigative work!)
multiple screens all at once... pivotal moments... phil known to be obsessed with choose your own adventure stories and documenting their life... dinok being an alternate reality what-if story... them embracing being the most RPFed people alive...
walk with me: dan and phil's story but at key moments in their lore you can choose to make different choices than they did and see a what-if story that branches off into fictional stories of some really similar and some really different versions of their lives
I SO WANT IT TO BE A DOC. It would be so smart. long-form youtube retrospectives are absolutely in vogue rn. and like we know they probably want to have some control of the narrative of their history. and like... what if they use it to hard launch... oh my god it would get so many fucking views.
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it was never about confirming a label. we know they love each other. itâs about the video game plushies and joining in on silly games together and hyping up each otherâs dailybooths and inviting dan to Florida and indulging each otherâs every whim and Japan and sunsets and ice cream and fucking FaceTiming for hours while Dan yaps about elden ring and being in each otherâs every anecdote and Phil staying in the closet for a decade and buffy marathons and Anne Robinson themed New Yearâs Eve party games and publicly not standing for each otherâs low self esteem slander and the one nice smelling tiled candle for Danâs birthday and remote crisis manager Phil and creative director Phil and youâre next to me in my life and
itâs not just that they love each other. itâs that they love each other so well