"I don't want to read this" is totally valid.
"This is disgusting to me" is totally valid.
"I don't want to read this because it is disgusting to me" is totally valid.
"I don't think anyone should be allowed to read or write this because it is disgusting to me" is authoritarian.
"I don't think anyone should be allowed to read or write this because it is disgusting to me" is authoritarian.
Bro, blocking someone and then using their tag like this is, all offence, weak as fuck. Like all you had to say was, na bro I don't promote pedo protags on this here blog, because I wholly agree with the premise of your argument given contexts (i.e., writing abusive relationships to show the evils, great; writing abusive relationships to show the romance, yikes).
This response is so, so comically shitty within the context of that tag, oh my god.
"I don't think anyone should be allowed to read or write this because it is disgusting to me" is authoritarian.
"I don't think anyone should be allowed to read or write this because it is disgusting to me" is authoritarian.
"Censorship of some topics in fiction and art is good and I would be happy if it were to be enacted in a way I approved of"
and
"some things should be banned from ever being written or read about in fiction"
are both authoritarian viewpoints to hold and express, even if you don't have the power to enact them.
If you hold these viewpoints you are holding authoritarian viewpoints.
DUDE ITāS PEDO FICS EVERYBODY THINKS THEYāRE NASTY
Let me explain this to you in simple terms.
Something being nasty is not a good reason to ban fiction about it.
If we accept that "something being nasty is a good reason to bad fiction about it" then we give a foot in the door for all the people who truly, genuinely believe that queer people are nasty to ban all queer literature.
This is not about defending bad people this is about defending the freedom of good people from tyranny, you moron.
I think if you take it to its logical extreme. Say, banning people from writing stories of sexual abuse. That could then be said "well ANY talk about sexual abuse is bad."
And from that, you could ban books that talk about it irl. Or books like how to recover after being abuse. If its not something to be discussed AT ALL.
The fact that Iāve seen this post in some form on my dash like 100x and each time thereās new idiots who do not get that you canāt have *some* censorship.
Either youāre for it or you arenāt.
The moment you agree that something should never, ever exist in fiction is the moment that anything can be banned.
Remember a while back how Tumblr banned a bunch of tags, including many popular innocuous ones that even people who are for censorship used and were upset about?
When censorship happens, stuff YOU like can and will be banned. Thatās how it works.
Remember how a bunch of people had their accounts terminated here only last year for writing about their own sexual abuse?
When you ban āpedoā topics, say, any talk of child sexual abuse in any form, that means people can no longer write about their own experiences. It means people cannot educate others so they can learn how to protect themselves or get help from these situations.
Censorship is authoritarian. Full stop.
Even if āeveryoneā agrees something is āgrossā and āshouldnāt exist,ā that does not fucking matter.
Do you know who generally believes queer people are gross and shouldnāt exist??
The same people who are banning books left and right solely because they have queer characters or relationships.
The same people who attack and kill queer folk for simply exisiting.
This is not just some fandom matter or a case of being chronically online.
Protecting freedom of expression is essential, and if you do not get that, I donāt know what to say to you.
And the people who keep bringing up child sex abuse as a reason for censorship are doing it very specifically because everyone feels like then they HAVE to agree with the person in favor of censorship.
Itās not that there isnāt widespread societal agreement on this. Itās that they want you backed into a rhetorical corner where you feel compelled to agree with them.
Also, like, we KNOW how this shit shakes out in fandom because it's happened before.
In 2007, Livejournal capitulated to the "pedophilia and sex crimes!" cries of (hate group) Warriors 4 Innocence, and you know what communities got shut down? Slashfic communities. Sexual assault survivor support communities. Authors who'd written non-smut m/m fic even got caught up in it. It was DEVASTATING to fandom spaces. I think pretty much everyone knew at least one person whose account was literally DELETED, or were a member of a community that was wiped off the map because they were considerate enough to include topics like "sexual assault" or "BDSM" in the profiles under the badly-named category of "interests" to indicate that posts on said blogs or communities may include discussion of things like that. Even if it was for a SUPPORT group. And it was because a group of religious bigots came to LJ and said essentially "EVERYONE thinks it's gross and that it's promoting CSA, we should ban it."
Like, strikethrough and boldthrough were a large part of what propelled AO3 out of a more unfocused conversation on one person's blog about hosting a site INTENDED for fandom content, into being an actual archive and nonprofit. And it's a large part of why you won't find AO3 banning topics that you find "gross".
Censorship is authoritarian and it will ALWAYS have more collateral damage than you can imagine.
Going to add that fiction which had sexual abuse and communities which played around with it as a writing topic are the very things that protected me from irl sexual abuse when I was a teenager. I was in a dicey situation, and realized that while my situation did not match up to any of the superficial or textbook cases mentioned in passing (if at all) through school, it matched up a LOT to what I'd learned about irl sexual abuse through works of fiction and the rhetoric of my communities. I got out of that situation and dodged what was, in retrospect, one hell of a nasty bullet. If it hadn't been for that "nasty" fiction and those "nasty" communities, I would very likely have been abused, and subject to further violence spiraling out from that abuse.
you canāt have *some* censorship.
Reminder too that "Ok fine, but CHILDREN should still be prevented from seeing it" is also a flawed argument, because a huge part of paedophilia relies on the children being naive and not knowing what's happening; not knowing what is and isn't ok.
Its very well documented that when children are taught about sex and consent and their bodies and all that, that they are PROTECTED FROM ABUSE. Because they know what is and is not acceptable behaviour. Whereas children who don't learn about any of that are at substantially increased risk.
Children learning about sex helps protects them from predators.
There's also the fact that reading fiction that features "universally bad topics" such as paedophilia/abuse can:
help kids recognise a bad situation for what it is, and get out of it (such as the example above)
strip the romanticism from the circumstances for kids who may be at risk of falling into dangerous situations. Eg: the teenage girl who WOULD think that the college boy being interested in her makes her Special And Wanted, but she's read a fictional story that explored a deeply unbalanced and abusive relationship between a 15 year old and a college guy, and as a result she knows that the college dude being into her is not romantic, it's creepy
be a vector of healing for those who have experienced that same thing, whether by writing it or reading it. It's a way of processing the trauma in a safe setting; it being fiction allows the writer/reader to experience and work through the emotions from more of a distance than facing their real-life emotions head on. It also functions as a reminder that you're not the only person who this has happened to; its happened to others who have survived, and you can survive it too
can be a vessel for understanding and empathy. Someone who has no personal experience with any of that can read a story about it and gain a better understanding of and empathy for people who HAVE endured it.
can be a great vector for discussing nuance and gaining a greater understanding of what is and isn't abuse. Sometimes a relationship between a 20 year old and a 50 year old is predatory and abusive. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's the 20 year old who is the predator; sometimes it's the 50 year old. Sometimes they're both preying on each other. Sometimes its unhealthy, but not abusive. Sometimes its perfectky fine and healthy. What makes it so in each situation? Age is a factor, sure, but there's other factors too. Is one financially reliant on the other, or are they fiscally independent? Is one systemically isolating the other from all their friends/family? Is one manipulating and gaslighting the other? Do YOU understand what does and doesn't make a relationship abusive? Sometimes its clearcut. Sometimes it isnt. Maybe reading a story about it will help you develop a nuanced understanding of the various circumstances.
And at the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter what the pros of "nasty topics in fiction" are. Because OPs point still stands. Just because you don't want to read/write something does not mean that you have the right to prevent others from reading/writing it. To attempt to do so is authoritarian.
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