Syscourse is really funny if you try to imagine people saying the same things about any other mental phenomenon.
"DNI if you claim to be 'sad' without an MDD diagnosis"
"You're 'proud' of being 'self-confident'? Stop romanticizing NPD, it's a debilitating disorder for people who really have it, faker."
"Trauma is the only valid origin for psychosis, people who claim to have 'hallucinated' because of drugs or sleep deprivation are either lying or they just don't know how traumatized they are"
"Well, I developed my agoraphobia from being kidnapped and tortured THREE TIMES at the age of six, so anyone who claims they developed it later in life or from less severe trauma is faking."
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"live everyday like it's your last" wonderful! a great quote to live by if we do say so ourselves. a little ...morbid, despite.
"live everyday like it's your first" does inspire a little more. we see colors a little brighter when we think of the quote. we feel like a child again. a little comes close to front.
To start us off: we are firmly pro-endo. The point of this post isn't to argue that endogenic systems exist and are valid - assuming that systems of any and all origins are valid is only the starting point to our argument.
The question we've been asking ourselves a lot recently is: does dividing systems based solely on their origins even make any sense at all in the long run?
The answer we've come to is: no, not really. The terminology itself is still useful, but more so when talking about origins of a single headmate, as opposed to the entire system. And if you're confused by that conclusion, then I encourage you to read the rest of this post below the cut.
Let me start be going through an example. Let's say that we're discussing a pretty newly-discovered traumagenic system. The term seems to suit them perfectly - there's a high chance that whatever trauma caused them to develop in the first place is still ongoing, and therefore every development inside their system will be tied to trauma in some way, because pretty much their entire life is. That situation is simple enough. But what happens when that system manages to escape the traumatic circumstances that have formed them? What happens when, after months or years of healing, most of their traumaholders either went dormant or processed their trauma and developed past their original purpose? If that system's recovery did not include final fusion as their final goal, they will still be a system. It is likely that new life situations will cause them to develop new headmates, headmates that will have nothing to do with the original origins of the system. After decades, most of the active headmates may have experiences way closer to those of the members of endogenic systems, because, in a sense... Those headmates would be endogenic. In situations like those, does it really make sense to define each system by merely the very beginning of their journey?
Something very similar can happen in reverse. When an endogenic system experiences trauma, it is likely that new headmates will form, and the experiences of those headmates may closely much those of traumagenic systems. But unless the entire system redefines themselves as being of mixed origins, any traumagenic-focused spaces, where they could search for community's support, would be closed off to them. Even if they would make the change to the label of mixed origins, many spaces will still reject them. But how does that make any sense? Why would we focus only on the moment of birth of one's system, when what shapes their experiences is their entire life?
The same argument may be made for willogenic and spiritual-based systems. Willogenic systems are capable of splitting new headmates completely unintentionally, just like systems of other origins are capable of constructing new headmates with the help of willogenic guides. Spiritual-based systems can gain new headmates 'just because', and due to trauma, and through constructing them, and in any other way, just as many systems of other origins have headmates that summon in new self-aware companions through their spiritual practices. Why would we pretend that the entire system has to fit its original label, as if systems weren't made up of living, breathing things, changing with each day as is in the nature of the living things?
Why are we, as a community, often so determined to see the forest for its first tree's single seed?
this is beautifully written and explained. we believe there's a kind of guilt that comes with splitting new headmates that dont fit the origins of the system. and so the only 'solution' is to either try and force them into fitting into a box or deny their existence completely.
we all talk about system health all the time--but doing that is always going to bring more harm than good.
think about where we would be if we could all accept that some of us aren't always going to conform to what our origins define? what if we don't string trauma to a new headmate that never had anything to do with it, just for the sake of conforming? what if we just let ourselves be?
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dear headmate who keeps fronting in the middle of the night to get on the computer, rearrange browser tabs, delete photos, and set our discord status to that annoying green dot...
Aw thank you for checking in! We're doing great! < 3
We're all actually working on a plural fic. While it's less so for represrntation and more for fun, we're still going for accuracy so we dont offend anyone π but that's positive, as we're having fun about it.
How about you all? What's going on? I'd love to hear about it β¨οΈβ¨οΈ
Oh!? What fandom? Do gush about it! (We're a bit of a writer, ourselves π )
We're currently strugglebussing through some in-sys things, but nothing bad! Mostly just feelings and trying to figure out what's going on and stuff. One of mine may or may not have a crush, and another one is already in a relationship with someone, but it's more a "situationship", and we're trying to figure out more, lol
Oh, i'd love to gush! altho i'm not sure yall would know it tho, it's based off an anime called Death Note, it's very popular and you may at least heard it in passing once...(of course, we're writing about the gayest, most obvious ship lol)
Ooh, anything specific yall write? feel free to share β¨
I'm glad there's nothing too stressful, but even these sound like much to figure out! that's really nice someone has a crush (aaand someone has a situationship), i hope everything works out amazingly, love is so beautiful
(ooh what Gacha games to you play?? we're not personally active in any, but we've heard of a few in passing π)
@th-compl-x
(feel free to tag us as well lol β€οΈ)
You: mentions death note, saying I might not know it
Me, who owns the entire manga series (it's been sitting on my shelves for almost 20 years), who watched the show multiple times and made a friend a death note for her birthday, who knows who Beyond Birthday is, read that entire novel, bonus manga, and knows L's real name, who is married to a chick who wrote fics for L/Light:
Yeah, sounds familiar. π€·ββοΈ I might know it
Also, we play Genshin, Wuthering, Zenless, & HSR! β€οΈ
They're fun(ish... it's complicated), but I also REALLY NEED to get back on Assassin's Creed Shadows and maaaybe consider buying Stranded Deep on PS5. π€
That game was FUN!! But such a pain w/o co-op π
OH WOW ok !!! i see you've not had much experience seeing Death note at all π
long time fan i see? really nice to know !! π€π€we're very, very, very new to it actually -- we started it in like 2021, didn't finish, and then got back around to watching it literally less than 2 weeks ago (and what the heck it is amazing why did we hide it from ourselves for so long)
we've heard of all of those (save for wuthering) at least once! we very much have had a /p partner who loved HSR, and we even tried to play Genshin once but it was literally too big for our computer back then π we may give it a go now! and we literally grew up hearing everyone talking abt assassins creed so there's that β¨βΌοΈ
why not get Stranded Deep anyway!! π
Believe it or not, the manga is 20Γ more crazy, like... the explanations and depth of the plot are fantastic! I'm really glad to know people are still loving it π
Wuthering is pretty new but VERY fun and beautiful! We've actually got a LOT of fictives from it, and all the other games (except Assassin's Creed), and... yeah. Genshin is comically huge for its playable area & graphics. I would actually DEEPLY advice AGAINST playing Genshin at all. It's slowly burning itself alive and - honestly? - Wuthering is very similar and kinder, Zenless is under the same company but all around more polished and interesting, and I just wouldn't recommend Genshin to anyone. π
And I should, but groceries for 1 week is already 100 dollars πππ
PS: You don't have to tag me on every reply, just after the initial Ask, haha
i mean, us anime-ers typically just watch the anime and think we've got everything, butttt now im very interested in seeing what else the manga has β¨οΈ ...so i might drop by and actually steal yalls entire death note collection !! (kidding)
definitely wanna read the manga now tho lol. will probably look for it in the coming weeks
oh yeah now that you mention it i am actually remembering all the controversies around genshin π it do go crazy. we may actually try wuthering and zenless out β¨οΈβ¨οΈβ₯οΈ
100 dollars is crazyyy!!! we automatically think about what that would be in our currency...1000+. i havent a clue how people are actually functioning with the groceries prices these days πππΏ
