Days ago I saw an antiproshipper post saying proshippers arguments and criticizing us, so now it's time to make a similar post but from proshippers' point of view criticizing antishippers' mentality. This would be long so prepare yourselves.
"Proshippers are pedophiles"
Of all the things antishippers say, this is the one that annoys me more. Because no. Proshippers aren't pedophiles. Proshippers are people who believe in not harassing people for a ship, people who believe that liking some fictional content doesn't determine your irl morals. That's what proship means. Not whatever definition antishippers invented to pretend they're the good ones.
"You can consume media with murder and cannibalism because they aren't romanticized"
In what world you live in?? There are a lot of media that romanticize murder or at least make it seem less problematic than it is irl. And people who watch that media suddenly starts killing everyone around them? NO. So why liking incest ships/age gap ships would make you an incestuous person or a pedophile??
"If you aren't a pedophile or like incest, then why do you write about it? Why do you write about two siblings having sex if you don't want to fuck your sibling?"
If George Lucas doesn't support genocide, then why he made a movie with the Empire blowing up a planet? If [X] famous writer doesn't support [X] then why did he write about it? Seriously, man, you need help if you think that writing about [X] thing makes you like it irl or makes you want to do it irl. There are a lot of writers that included some "problematic" things in fiction, and no matter how they portrayed those things in their book/show/movie it isn't a reflection of their morals.
"Proshippers always criticize antishippers for not liking their incest/age gap/pedo fic"
Actually, no. We don't criticize antishippers for not liking some fics or some fanarts. We criticize you because you tell us we are groomers/pedophiles without knowing us irl. We criticize you because you're asuming something about us that isn't true. You don't like an incest/age gap/minor x adult ship? Then block the content and go on with your life. No one is forcing you to like it. No one is forcing you to read fics about that ship, to watch fanart of that ship, or to like that ship. The only thing we want is for you to be anti-harassment and stop calling us things we aren't.
"Stop normalizing/romanticizing child x adult/incest ships"
Then stop normalizing toxic yaoi ships. Then stop normalizing toxic yuri ships. Then stop normalizing murder. Then stop normalizing cannibalism. Then stop normalizing loving villains. If you don't want something that is bad in real life romanticized in fiction then you don't want anything that is bad in real life romanticized in fiction. And if you accept some things being romanticized and some things not being romanticized, then you're an hypocrite, because a bad action is a bad action, no matter what it is. You don't want some ships being """normalized"""? Then don't normalize characters being tortured / murder / cannibalism / some toxic ships.
"You should be raped/tortured and die/kill yourself for liking this ship"
Yeah, because liking a fictional ship with fictional characters obviously makes you deserve being tortured. Because obviously what proshippers do with FICTIONAL characters is more important than what happens to REAL people. You are telling a REAL person to die/kill themselves for a fucking FICTIONAL SHIP and you are the good one in this story?
"You need therapy for liking this ship"
Proshippers would need therapy if they were pedophiles. But I have news for you. Proshippers. doesn't. mean. pedophiles. They just like certain ships you find disgusting. I repeat it: Ships. S-H-I-P-S. Of fictional characters. So unless they're REAL pedophiles, they don't need therapy. Besides, having in mind that you harass proshippers and tell them to kill themselves for a fictional SHIP, I think you are the only one who needs therapy.
"Children could see this ship and think it's okay"
There are a LOT of media children can't see because they are not old enough to see it. And this works exactly the same way. If they aren't old enough to difference reality from fiction, if they aren't old enough to think "this is bad irl and I'm not gonna do it" then WHY are they seeing content NOT made for them??? "Children could see [X] and think it's okay" Then why someone isn't controlling what they see on the internet or telling them that whatever they saw they can't do i irl???
"Victims of pedophilia/abuse don't deserve someone romanticizing their trauma".
First, who says proshippers are romanticizing their trauma? It's just a ship, they're not romanticizing anyone's trauma (if anything, they would be romanticizing whatever happens to the character, not what happened to a real person). And second, you're seriously telling me that some victims don't deserve people romanticizing their trauma but some victims deserve to be told "you deserved your trauma, you deserve to be raped, you deserved to be abused"? Don't pretend you care about victims. You only care about victims who cope the way you want them to.
"If you don't want to be harrassed then stop posting your weird fics/fanarts"
I said it once, but you know that's the same argument homophobes/transphobes use? "If you don't want to be hated or bullied for being gay/trans, don't be gay/trans" "If you don't want to be bullied then don't be a freak". You will probably say "but it's not the same because I'm not homophobe/transphobe", and yet, you have the same purity mentality they have but with another topic.
"Groomers could use some proships to groom children"
Groomers can (and will) use ANYTHING to groom children if they want to groom them. Don't act as if proshipping was the only way children can be groomed. There are a lot of things groomers could use to groom children and proshipping isn't the only one.
"Proshippers don't care about the pedophiles in their fandom"
A LOT of us have Pedos DNI in our bios (or said in other posts/comments that we don't support real pedophilia) so your argument is stupid. And you're acting as if pedophiles could only be in the proship fandom. PEDOPHILES CAN BE EVERYWHERE. In the proship fandom, in the antiship fandom, in WHATEVER fandom you think about. For the last time, Proship Fandom DOESN'T mean Pedophile Fandom. You can find good and bad people everywhere, and "proshipper" isn't "bad and pedophile" while "antishipper" is "good and non-pedophile".
"Proshippers are just porn addicts"
As I said it before: there are ASEXUAL proshippers. And not everyone is THAT interested in fics with sex, you know? There are proshippers who don't like fics with sex, and I'M MYSELF AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. I always search for General or Teen and Up Audiences, not Mature or Explicit fics in AO3, you big idiot. So stop asuming all proshippers want to """sexualize""" minor characters or want them to have sex with adults.
"Proshipper with trauma shouldn't post their fics in the Internet"
If you don't want proshippers to post the fics they want, then no one should be allowed to post the fics they want. I myself don't like age regression ships, so stop posting fics about it. I myself don't like main characters being tortured, so stop posting fics about it. I myself don't like fics with killing on them, so stop posting fics about it. You don't like that idea, huh? Then shut the fuck up and understand already that it's possible to find in Internet fictional content you find disgusting. And unless there's a REAL child getting hurt, just block the content as I do with the tropes I hate.
"Proshipppers shouldn't write about [X] ship because fiction affects reality"
It can affect reality, but only if you let it affect reality. You see incest in some shows? You see murder in some shows? You see cannibalism in some shows? Then what you do after seeing those shows it's up to YOU, because YOU are the one who needs to think "no matter how this is portrayed, this is disgusting in reality and I will never do this to anyone". If you decide to do what you saw in a show... Then it's a YOU problem, not the media's problem. You think Game of Thrones fans suddenly started to have sex with their family members because of Game of Thrones' representation of incest? Fucking no, because they know Game of Thrones is fiction AND real life is real life and they're NOT the same thing.
"Proshippers support real pedophilia and incest"
People who see murder shows support murder. And people who see cannibalism in shows support cannibalism. And people who like toxic yaoi/yuri ships are toxic. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were saying stupid things. Because that's what this argument is. Liking something happening in F-I-C-T-I-O-N doesn't mean you like it happening in R-E-A-L L-I-F-E.
