[kind of a downer post warning] I kinda thought people saying the amazing digital circus fandom was shitty were exaggerating, cause like, I’ve been in some bad fan spaces, I was on tumblr in 2014 we don’t need to get into it, basically I’m not one to throw stones when my house is made out of this much glass but that all being said. Jesus Christ the children on Instagram are transphobic.
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Originally this was going to be a canvas for a rp I host but it just became sour bill. God I think I’m done for. The rp mentions are still there thank you to baph Tybalt and Isabelle who are Malina Buzzo and Pitchfork respectively also also for the topological hrt info . Charlie joypill is from Lisa: the ravenous . Ok anyways
I was thinking about Tolkien trying to clobber Gondorian Sindarin into making sense by having it be a marker of class, even though most aristocrats in the novel use Westron (possibly as a courtesy to the hobbits) and the Sindarin-speakers tend to be just random soldiers.
On top of that, Quenya is supposed to be even more of an elite marker of knowledge, as indicated by the warden of the Houses of Healing and the Appendices (though enough could speak it that more Gondorians knew Quenya during the War of the Ring than Elves did). Faramir mentions learning some linguistic stuff that most people don't know and pretty clearly prefers at least some Quenya terms (he's one of the only people who still calls Lothlórien Laurelindórenan), and Denethor is learned in lore and can read things that others can't.
...and the Gondorian soldiers praise Frodo and Sam in Westron, Sindarin, and Quenya because it's cool.
I do think there's a tension between Tolkien essentially "giving" Sindarin and in some cases Quenya to Gondorians because he thought it was cool, and him trying to make sense of them speaking an easily recognizable form of it after such an incredibly long time (when it changed much more rapidly even among immortal Elves), and this is the solution he came up with—I've talked about that before.
But also, the textual link between Sindarin/sometimes Quenya and soldiers specifically is really intriguing to me.
Sure, it might be coincidental, since there's not much cause for the hobbits to encounter Gondorian civilians. But the soldiers who do it don't seem super important in the book, especially the "many" soldiers in Minas Tirith who talk behind Pippin's back in Sindarin.
And then there's someone like Ioreth, a civilian known by what's likely a Sindarin nickname (Ioreth means "old woman"). She doesn't seem to be fluent in Sindarin and is unfamiliar with Sindarin terms for familiar plants. But she sometimes uses Sindarin terms where Westron ones are also in usage (like perian instead of "halfling"). So it's probably not the case that all Gondorians can be divided into 100% fluent in Sindarin (or Quenya) and 0% fluent.
But we do hear that a) Gondorian warriors are expected to have skills beyond military ones + b) military skills are now particularly prized in Gondorian society, above all others. It does make a certain Tolkienian sense that the other skills Gondorian soldiers are expected to have would include singing in Sindarin and Quenya, honestly, and that this would also be a marker of the relatively high status conferred on them in contemporary Gondorian culture.
Btw I finished Pentiment 👍🏾 going 2 be thinking about it for a very long time. Yes I love stories about the cyclical nature of myths and history, and now the truth is often something built upon older truths. Peel away the saint and find a pagan god, peel away the pagan god and find something etched into the rubble no one can place a name to anymore, pieces of a story lost to time. There's probably another layer even beneath that one, but it's too distant to look for now
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