#therefore

some time ago I saw a few takes that Jason doesn't even really help crime alley and probably only makes it worse because he's just another crime lord who wants to control crime. and that it's batman/Bruce who really helps crime alley because he spends money on charities and helps as a vigilante. but like. it's literally in the text, in a canonical source material, that he would only go to crime alley on the anniversary of his parents death. it's literally how he meets Jason? also if batman is a vigilante then guess what? it's illegal. and what he does as said vigilante is guess what? control crime. he just does it in a different way than Jason but they aren't actually all that different. they just have different approach to it but it all boils down to "i'm gonna help this city and i'm gonna do it my way." but acting like batman is the embodiment of justice when what he does is just as illegal as what Jason does is really annoying to me. especially when people bring up the fact that Jason kills as if he was killing people left and right as a hobby. he doesn't and he doesn't want to and this is also literally in the text. Jason thinks of the past and future victims of the "villains" that could've and still can be saved but batman treats the "villains" as the victims too, as someone that can be helped while Jason feels like not all of them can be helped because he fell victim to one of them himself and he saw firsthand what no remorse looks like and to me this is why they can't see eye to eye. batman tries to be optimistic but Jason tries to be realistic. at the same time Jason doesn't think that all the "villains" should be killed but batman thinks that none of the "villains" should be killed at all and this is another thing that they disagree on imo. but the problem is also the fact that Bruce can't seem to view Jason as a victim too, not when Jason is back as if the crime he was a victim of had never happened. and Jason tries to show Bruce that he actually was a victim and that he knows what it feels like to be dismissed or to be ignored as said victim. that's why he forced Bruce to have a reaction where he wouldn't dismiss Jason's status of a victim that demands justice. but Jason didn't account for the fact that in Bruce's eyes joker was also a victim, especially in the situation they found themselves in during the final confrontation in utrh. it was Jason who is no longer a victim because he's not dead anymore vs joker who might become a victim if batman won't do anything. and batman can't allow to make a new victim now when he himself is looking. but Jason wants to make sure that there won't be any more victims of this one after this one. the father and son that will never find a common ground because neither of them is willing to change for the other fully and completely. Jason might be more willing to try because he strives for connections he could only have if he played by batman's rules but ultimately he still knows he doesn't agree with batman. and things go on and on and on and they'll probably never reconcile because despite similar goal in mind they're too different at the end of the day