#simcom

Hello,

actually, depending on the setting, people do frequently sign and speak at the same time. its called Simcoming, aka simultaneous communication.

However, problem with this type of communication is that both languages in question suffer during this - its impossible to actually produce two languages at once, so instead what comes out is sort of combination of both. Sign languages in general have different word order and different vocabulary compared to spoken languages.

So when SimComing happens, its usually either spoken language grammar and word order with signs or sign language word order and grammar with spoken words. Either way, at least one participant in conversation (depending on how the languages are mixed) won't get the proper language response.

This type of communication is used in informal settings or in family situations, etc. It was used quite commonly in professional settings (think schools) in past as well, but its more frowned upon now, as the resulting communication suffers.

Its not like, morally wrong to use it or anything, and sometimes deaf people themselves use it too. But its definitely not for professional settings and interpreting.

And also, honestly... its usually the deaf person who gets the short end of the stick and the language is remade to suit the hearing person needs... which, eh. We don't support that here. Deaf people already have to deal with lot of communication hurdles.

Mod m here. 

First please understand; PSE is not ASL. It a system that uses signs from ASL and uses them in English order. In order to properly use ASL you must use the grammar structure of the language. 

What you are talking about, speaking and signing at the same time, is called simcom. Simcom done properly is difficult for people of all skill levels as it requires one to take a sentence and communicate it in two different grammar structures simultaneously. 

Also ASL users can understand people using PSE, but it is harder for them than ASL. Not to mention that people who practice PSE have a much harder time understanding and using ASL after starting with PSE. When learning ASL, i would strongly recommend strictly staying with ASL and not PSE due to the process of grammar structure building. 

As far as the offensiveness of using PSE - I would say it varies. To me, I can’t understand someone who would learn PSE to begin with as this adds extra hurdles when it comes to the communication you were trying to get by learning a new language. It’s saying “I’ll learn your words, but i don’t care enough to learn the new grammar”. 

For learning spanish, you don’t just learn the vocab and then place it in english order - you learn the order of words and how to conjugate them in order to make sense. The same should be done in ASL. For me personally, when someone uses PSE it shows me they don’t care or they don’t have any training. 

Hope that helps 

mod m

SimCom (Simultaneous Communication) where you sign and talk at the same time is very hard to do. In fact, only those with lots and lots of practice can even attempt it without butchering one of the two languages. I would just have them sign when the Deaf/hoh people are around? The people with less fluency can get by with a little help on words they don't know, or use fingerspelling. 

Its kinda like if you were in a group of friends where there were two people speak spanish and the rest know some spanish also. You’d speak spanish as best you can and get help from everyone else to fill in the gaps you dont know so that no one is left out. 

In either case, if someone who doesn’t know the language comes into the conversation, someone else translates for those not in the loop so that the group is fully engaged. 

Hope that helps. 

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