#saison 2

Imagine waiting so many years for your ship to finally sail only to be robbed of its best part? I mean, I suppose people are satisfied with that, but if that happened to Kastle i'd have been so mad. All that build up for so many years, only for the climax to happen off screen? lol I'd have burned the studio. TBH, It's not like Matt and Karen had any climax going on to begin with, but that's not an excuse to put them together out of nowhere, because they dont make sense at all? Ok imagine, for a second, that you don't know shit about Daredevil and you discover it for the first time with the series: Daredevil Season 1:

Karen and Matt meet for the first time, because Karen is being arrested for murder

Matt and Foggy save her, and Karen kinda start pinning for Matt

Matt doesn't really give a shit about her because he is busy kissing Claire Temple

Claire Temple breaks up with Matt

Daredevil Season 2:

Matt is aware of Karen presence and starts flirting back with her

They get their first date and their first kiss and that same night, Elektra is in town reaching for Matt

Matt keeps lying to Karen to be with Elektra

Karen meets Frank Castle, and they both start bonding

Karen and Matt get their first argument based on a fondamental view of the world, one think killing is bad, the other one think killing is the solution (sometimes), but Matt gets very upset and Karen tries to minimise her thoughts to please him

Karen discovers that Matt hang with Elektra (who is lying in his bed) and breaks up with him

We learn that Elektra is Matt's first passionate love

We witness plenty of flash back of Matt & Elektra together, kissing, dating, having sex

Matt says to Elektra that he doesn't regret being by her side instead of trying to fix his mistakes with Karen

Karen starts to help Frank a lot and takes his side a lot

Matt hears Karen heartbeats and realises something might have happened between Frank and her (even if they believe Frank is dead)

Karen wishes to carry Frank's memory and starts writting an article about him to show who he really is

Frank even if pretending to be dead, still keep an eye on Karen and ends up saving her

Matt, who tells since season 1 he cannot leave hells kitchen because he swore to protect it, starts to ask Elektra to leave with him somewhere else so they can be happy

Elektra is killed and Matt is devastated (Frank helps him fight the ninjas by killing them and Matt doesn't even try to stop him)

Matt decides to tell Karen the truth about his superhero identity (on Elektra advices), they stay friends.

The Defenders:

Elektra is back from the dead, and we see Matt comiting one of the greatest sin in christianity, which is suicide. (he decides to stay with Elektra and die with her) Until now, Karen still hasn't shattered a single bit his beliefs, but Elektra did 3 times already.

Elektra dies again, but at this point we're all aware she'll be back someday

Punisher season 1 :

While everyone think Matt is dead, Frank in the middle of his mission to avenge his familly, stops everything to rescue Karen: blows up his cover, take a bullet in the arm, another one in the head, dislocate his arm by jumping in a stair case, protect her from a bomb explosion and stays with her until he is sure she is safe, he waits for her approval before going back to his mission

Frank also considers Karen like his familly, his wife (his words not mine) - Smiles and doesn't deny anything when Micro refers to Karen as Frank's girlfriend.

Daredevil Season 3 :

Matt is alive and hide from Karen, while she still pays his rent

Matt rescues Karen from Bullseye, but instead of asking her if she is ok, blames her because he could have arrested Fisk instead

They end up friends at the end of season 3

Punisher season 2 :

Karen helps Frank escape from the hospital and asks him to chose love (her) instead of another war, but Frank refuses, Karen leaves heartbroken (so is Frank)

She Hulk Attorney At Law :

Matt dates Jennifer Walters

Daredevil Born Again season 1 :

Matt and Karen appear to be good friends

Matt cuts Karen from his life, after Foggy's death, leading Karen to leave for San Francisco

Matt starts dating Heather for a whole year, without trying to reach out for Karen

Matt makes a lapsus and calls Heather, Karen, while being half drugged at the hospital

Karen comes back from SF when learning Fisk wants to kill Matt and she calls Frank for help, implying Karen and Frank have been in contact this whole time

Frank makes himself pretty for Karen (never be not funny lmao)

Matt hears Frank and Karen heartbeats, and confirms they are both in love

Karen refuses Frank's coffee meaning she's still mad at him for rejecting her (in Punisher s2)

Frank, despite refusing to join Matt's war, still goes against Fisk army when he hears on the radio that Karen is in danger. He gets arrested and put in a cage (where he manages to escape)

Karen joins Matt's army to defeat Fisk

Notice that in this whole list, only 2 sentences are about Matt and Karen as a couple, the rest is mainly about Matt and his girlfriendS or Karen and Frank.

Also Matt and Karen have been a couple for only 2 episodes out of 48 (from DD s1 to DDBA s1), meaning they spent most of the series being either friends, ignoring each other or playing dead. So imagine the confusion of many when the first episode of BA season 2 starts with Karen and Matt being a couple, when nothing predisposed that situation? As if nothing ever happened between them, as if Matt wasn't aware of Karen being in love with Frank; as if Matt did properly broke up with Heather?

I knew they would be a couple, or close to be one during this season, but i expected to see this relationship being developed in front of my eyes - I expected them to have a proper conversation, to address all those elephants in the room (Between Elektra, Heather, Foggy, Frank, their view of the world, her killing someone etc), to have some tension, SOMETHING that could have partially convinced me that maybe they could work? (even if my eyes would have bled immensingly)

Instead the writters got the bright idea to do that off screen and shove their relation into our throat.

Why?

We have been warned by Charlie Cox tho, during one of his interviews, he said that Karen and Matt got closer during this times of war, since they spent their days hiding... and dear God he wasn't lying because IT SHOWS. It really looks like they end up together because they don't have other choices around?

Their kiss scenes are so bland and they lack so much of chemistry, even the fog surrounding them is more consistent than what they are trying to serve us.

I also know Karen is going to confront Matt about Fisk's fate and that she is tired of letting him roam around free, despite the fact that Matt put him in jail, not once but twice already and that he wants to do it a third time LMAO I'm also quite sure, considering the state of the writting that it won't be a deal breaker and that they'll make it magically work- Which is concerning really. What is more concerning is Charlie Cox forcing way too much the idea of Karen being the love of Matt's life, and that Elektra is too crazy.

I'd have understand that statement if the series followed the comics perfectly, but THATS NOT THE CASE AT ALL ?

Karen hasn't the same weight in Matt's life, than she had in the comics. Elektra took that place. Matt could do ANYTHING for Elektra, when it's not the case at all for Karen.

Also, Comics Karen and MCU Karen are completely differents. It's like saying a recipe is the best you ever ate because it's noted 5 stars on that cooking website, but in reality your plate is awful because half of your kitchen burned during the process. Charlie can scream all he wants that Karen is the woman of Matt's life, it's impossible to believe it because it is not demonstrated at all in the show, and it's painful to witness.

IF i have to finish that post on a bright note, i'd say: The advantages of seeing Matt and Karen in the middle of that "romantic" relationship, is that there is a great chance we will see its dawnfall (for good this time, please, for the love of Marvel!) Why?

First: If the writers are not shitty at some point they'll realise it doesn't work at all.

Second: Matt is a fucking WHORE, in the comics but in the series as well: Claire, Karen, Elektra, Jennifer, Heather - And soon to be Kirsten and so much more

Even is Charlie Cox is trying to maintain that delulu about Karen, he's still talking about his character romancing other women: He litteraly said that he wishes to romance Black Widow next, while season 2 wasn't even out yet.

Dude isn't even letting KD fans enjoy the ship, he is already yeeting Karen into oblivion.

I had my doubts last year, but it looks like Elektra is about to come back: either in Spider Man Brand New Day (we can see The Hand in the trailer) or in Daredevil Born Again season 3.

As for Kastle, we still have the special to hold on to: Jon Bernthal told to a Kastlers to wait for it, while giggling like a fanboy! His stuntman did a video on instagram praising Deborah Ann Woll but deleted half of it before publishing it, saying it was too spoilery. We still see some comunity manager (Canada to be exact) talking about Frank and Karen (for engagements) meaning they are AWARE of Kastle popularity. So much popular, i have never seen the Kastlers being that much active on twitter despite the absence of Frank. People are really starting to get tired of Karen and Matt, and not only Kastlers but also those who love Elektra etc