tdbk are totally the couple that have fun judging people together lol
100%, todoroki's much less judgmental overall but lest we forget the noodle slurp panel, a petty icon truly. he is not above shit-talking.

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tdbk are totally the couple that have fun judging people together lol
100%, todoroki's much less judgmental overall but lest we forget the noodle slurp panel, a petty icon truly. he is not above shit-talking.

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any papenathy pet peeves/things you think are common misconceptions of them in fandom?
i don't really engage with tsh fanon i'll be honest. not because i have some antipathy for the tsh fandom specifically, i'm just not that fandom-engaged in general nowadays. overall i hate when characters get bent and twisted OOC to fit a Ship Formula & i think a lot of fanon content does fall into that trap.
of course maintaining characterisation is not easy! my richard / my francis certainly deviate from canon and im sure reflect my own preferences for the characters in a lot of ways. but a lot of what i like about them as characters is their very particular idiosyncracies and flaws so i hope that specificity translates in my fic and gives them a degree of recognisability.
i think francis probably gets the worst of it because 2 me he's probably the Most defined character in tsh apart from maybe henry. and yet in fan works oftentimes he gets treated like an anxious manic pixie twink with none of the neuroses, meanness, intelligence, wit, nuance etc of the original. richard is a more malleable guy anyway as our unreliable narrator but he also gets turned into either a sad softboi or someone wayyy too comfortable in his own skin. real richard is such an asshole but also very endearing to me. esp when he's backed into a corner by the insanity around him.
ive mentioned this before too but when people treat papenathy as having been this grand romance in canon that also throws me bc it's just .. not the case. and look im the captain of this ship. i think sober ii legitimately might be the fic with the most hits for francis/richard on ao3. i see the romance there. but to me they absolutely cannot be said to have been In Love in any meaningful capacity during canon events. they're afflicted by a far scarier developing bestfriendism with mutual underlying attraction. which sets the scene for unwilling Romance down the line. but i stand by francis' read of the situation in the book when he says he's in love with charles and richard is in love with camilla (its own can of worms naturally). you can argue richard is also in love with henry. and maybe charles for a bit. but i think part of the beauty of it is that they really are Not like that about each other. Yet.
the fake dating/marriage trope with tdbk teaming up to give endeavour a heart attack
this is one of the rare aus where it gains in potency the EARLIER in canon you place it.
i think the only time ive brought up a 'todoroki dating bakugou to piss off his dad' thing was specifically when talking about a fem todoroki scenario where you don't also have fem bakugou and shouto just clocks the potential of having a Shitty Boyfriend to drive enji to an early grave. yes it's ridiculous but the nuance in having enji + misogyny => his horrendous treatment of shouto gives it a non-zero degree of plausibility that enji is Also overly invested in like. shouto's "respectability" and "image" as a young woman. & shouto is like ok so you want to be funny well i'm going to be hilarious.
the biggest question mark here really is how on earth you would get early UA katsuki to agree to this. but then i suppose conversely you could pretty much just be like 'i bet you're too pussy to do this' and he'd acrobatically tantrum himself into agreeing bc of his ego. so.
anyway the crux of this idea is how much it would work. like i can't overstate how much this would work. think of how off-putting endeavor finds bakugou when todoroki brings him around in canon. now make bakugou 10x more hostile, todoroki 10x more intentionally shit-stirring (the iconic *sluuuurp* panel), and endeavor 10x closer to the grave. i think it could actually cause his mid-life crisis to happen pre dabi shitshow.
i love it when shouto is giving orders partly because he's such an top/alpha dog but also because it means things are Serious™️
also i agree that (post relationship) when shouto says jump katsuki says how high because he already listens to him most of the time even in their reluctant friendship era (with extra grumbling of course)
yep! very important to me that shouto is a Top Dog in any scenario. he's just got a different kind of personality and (post initial chara dvp) is stunningly good at not letting his ego drive. do not mistake his cooperativeness for passivity. if he disagrees with you i actively think you will have an easier time changing katsuki's mind than you will shouto's.
and yes partially because of all this (and bc katsuki Always fundamentally believes shouto is really good at what he does, even from the outset) when shouto does start laying down orders katsuki's probably going to follow, with diminishing levels of complaint depending on how serious the situation is.
what does shouto feel about katsuki's canonical bossy control freak tendencies pre & post getting together? does he find it cute/adorable/funny, likes deliberately ragebaiting him, blatantly ignores it (or all of the above, i guess)? but of course no one can get shouto to do what he doesn't want to do lol.
i think it's pretty much canon that shouto basically never takes katsuki's bossiness seriously. think that would keep being the case post them getting together. as you say shouto doesn't obey orders he doesn't agree with and he's (unfortunately...) developed a very high tolerance for not reacting to people making aggressive demands of him.
it's not that he doesn't listen to katsuki though. esp post relationship development (and by that i actually mean them becoming friends) more often than not he'll run with katsuki's 'suggestions', bc katsuki's actually pretty good at making calls about stuff. but he does it in a placid way where esp early on katsuki is somehow about as angry with his compliance as he would have been if shouto told him he was an idiot.
in terms of what he thinks about it, i think originally he finds it mildly annoying but he's kind of an idgafer so it truly matters little to him. the more friendly they get the more he finds it cute. especially cause katsuki's bossiness extends to such unserious things as per canon- outside of villain fights he's also bossy in training exercises, and at the school festival, and in the kitchen, etc etc. katsuki has a Strong Opinion about every single thing under the sun and while shouto is certainly opinionated he's a lot more mellow so there's a lot of stuff where he's perfectly happy for katsuki to vehemently inform him what the Correct move is.
he does ragebait on occasion but i actually think that it's less pretending to disagree and more in the way of like. being too obvious about just indulging the bossiness. like katsuki is yelling about proper knife technique to slice a tomato and shouto is like 'okay 👍🏻 whatever you say ✌🏻you know best 🙏🏻'. and katsuki is like STOP.

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tdbk hunger games au 👀
brutal stuff. bakugou obviously feels career coded but i think todoroki is actually the clear career kid here with enji being a previous winner. bakugou i suppose could be a career anyway but the bakudeku origin story demands that they be more normie so i don't think that makes sense really...
anyway in-game i think bakugou does have a career type setup. he definitely sticks around for the initial bloodbath and claims a melee weapon like an axe. shouto on the other hand plays a lone wolf game. if they're in the same game they're both making it close to the end but i don't know who dies. it's not like a 1:1 sports fest situation i think actually shouto probably takes it if i'm honest.
the more fun (for the hunger games equivalent of fun anyway) scenario is where they're from the same district and one of them wins the games in a different year to the other so they have to mentor the other. shouto would compartmentalise his own trauma Very Hard so it didn't bleed into his mentoring. katsuki (especially a freshly traumatised and disillusioned games survivor bakugou) would maybe not be so great buttttt i think if he had someone as Good At The Games as shouto he'd lock in despite their mismatched personalities.
Ok, this is going to be a niche question. So, in vignet 35 of It's not love I swear Francis says: "Two out of five of us bit it in their twenties!". Five- not six. I assumed he was excluding Richard from the count (he and Bunny are the unwilling outsider-insiders of the group but Bunny is counted in the dead, so). Then in The illusion of a greek necessity is Richard that says: "We studied classics together, five of us. Francis and Camilla, and her brother Charles, and then Henry and Bunny Corcoran. I was the new join that year.” Five again. But it's strange(r) because he includes himself ("us") in the five and then proceed listing his -again- five friends. I guess Richard knows he was never really accepted in the gang, or maybe it's a subconscious attempt at erasing Bunny from the narrative and from his memory, and then having to slip him in to justify his whole discourse. I guess it's funny the slip-ups happened in both universes (not funny for Richard tho) and I wanted to hear your reasoning behind it.
Plus I'd like to know more about the new gen, they seem an hilarious nightmare bunch of parental issues.
Great work, as always.
i love a niche question!!
in vignette 35 francis is definitely excluding richard from the count lol- i know, harsh! but it's also just slightly incorrect speech where like because he's speaking to richard he's referring to the rest of the group as us, even though obviously richard is in there too. i just like to torture richard via subconscious othering. given the context of the conversation francis isn't doing it on purpose.
as to illusion of a greek necessity i actually don't remember but logically i think probably i meant bunny because i think depending on what he's thinking about richard kind falls into an Us and Bunny thing due to. yknow. plot.
LOVEE to discuss the next gen. there are 3 of them in my mind. not all of them necessarily exist in the same universe but let's say they do. for funsies. as follows:
cecilia/celia/cece: everyone cheer for cece, who has in fact appeared in my fic before bc i like the idea of her so much. francis and priscilla's only child. very Over It rich socialite teen of the early aughts who is working very hard on making herself teflon despite her insecurities. pretty difficult relationship with both of her parents but they're not not close and the dysfunction goes mostly unacknowledged / she gets a lot of money thrown at her whims. she looks a lot like priscilla and everyone takes her to be much more her child than francis', but she shares a lot of neuroses (and a sharp tongue) with her dad. sees blair waldorf as aspirational. probably nicer than she would like to let on but not exactly nice. i think she has sort of a vintage gemma ward or amanda seyfried look going.
mateo/matty: judy poovey's intensely LA kid. his parents split when he was very young so he's grown up as a 2-home child volleying back and forth between them. also very spoilt and 2 cool 4 school but in a different vein to cece. he's like a little skater boy who grew up around hollywood people so he's very blasé. judy's not necessarily a great Parent (she is very much making her career happen and also still a party girl) but she is a pretty decent mom and is, unfortunately, a total boymom. the dad is fine but very hollywood (he's like a middling actor or maybe a tv presenter or something) and probably has a second family. mateo's more withdrawn and less of an extrovert than either of his parents & listens basically exclusively to rap music whilst feeling like eminem Gets him. he's not a teen rebel though bc he can't be bothered and also judy is pretty lax with a lot of stuff.
?george: charles' son with his post timeskip girlfriend who he owns the bar with. he's named after the twins' father but i've not decided what that name will be. unfortunately for him both of his parents are Serious alcoholics rather than Fun addicts like the entire rest of the cast and we know charles is violently abusive so Not Great for him. depending on the universe i think he actually is raised by camilla for some time. i try not to demonize charles excessively though so i think he definitely has better periods and particularly when george is little both of his parents are trying very hard to keep it together so they have some good aspects to their relationship. but unfortunately overall i think he has the worst time of it. they're also not very financially stable so he doesn't even get the gilded cage of the other 2. he's a very timid, sickly sort of guy and probably kind of à la andy in goldfinch but without the ego. early 2000s shonen anime is huge for him.
there's a whole extra thing about their hypothetical relationships to each other and the others in the cast (richard in particular) but i'll save that for another time.
for all that katsuki's the one screaming "DIE!" all the time i've always gotten the impression that shouto's far more ruthless than him when properly pissed off
i think they're both characters capable of great Rage. but as wel all know katsuki operates on a hair-trigger / is much more irritable whereas shouto is much more unfazed. that doesn't preclude katsuki from being genuinely furious in a very dangerous way. but it does mean that when shouto is angry it's a scarier occasion. and he is a very laser-focused type of angry