#pro wolfstar

1. age gap. Normally, age gaps don't bother me, at all. But, in the case of Remadora and the circumstances. . it's weird. Like Tonks is Sirius' cousin or something, but she's way younger. Which means Sirius and the rest of the Marauders probably babysat her at least once. and I know, there's no canon evidence, but I mean, judging by what we know it's probably true. Plus, Tonks was born in 1973. In the middle of the first wizarding war. The one Remus was fighting in. So it's not just the age gap, it's the lack of experience between them.

2. timeline of their relationship. Tonks and Remus first get together around the end of half-blood prince. And then they're married by the beginning of Deathly Hallows? Like, that's a total of what, three months together? BUT then, it's revealed that Tonks is pregnant. Most people reveal they're pregnant at like, 13 weeks? So by the timeline, Tonks probably got pregnant mid-summer? Idk it just seems pretty odd to me. Within a few months, they're married, have a child on the way, even after Remus was wary to enter the relationship in the first place? It's too rushed, without development.

3. both characters are queercoded. I don't think I really need to explain this one, but I'll get into it anyway. Tonks literally ditched her feminine name Nymphadora for her much more androgynous last name -> Tonks. She does not give a shit about being feminine - she can look like whatever she wants and she goes for short, spiky, bright pink hair and piercings. She literally rejects gender and it's restrictions. As for Remus, writers have been using "monster" as an allegory for queer for years. Of course, how can I forget Remus' deep connection with Sirius despite the ups and downs they've been through? "Lay low at the Lupins", 40 lines of eye-fucking, they're literally the moon and stars!! Both the directors of the movies also picked up on this, so did the actors, Gary Oldman and David Thewlis who thought that Wolfstar was going to be a thing.

Dramione

Bellamione

Snily

Drarry

Wolfstar (this one I don’t hate as much as the others they’re just not my cup of tea)

Snape+any students

Narcissa + Snape

Why do you guys like them together?

This is not to be shady, I already know why I don’t like them but I’m willing to hear why others do because I want to know and I like hearing other people’s POV. I think I have a few guesses to why some ships are popular but I want to hear what the people who ship them have to say. Also when I talk about these ships I mean the ships have characters acting accordingly to canon. I don’t mean some OC with abs and a suave demeanor that just so happens to be named Snape or Fanon Draco that exhibits personality traits that Draco has never shown in the books, I mean if you like Canon Draco and Canon Hermione together why? Or why do you think canon Remus and canon Sirius are cute together?

We gotta assume some growth happened since their school years but not every example of growth is possible in Marauder relationships.

We can assume that Remus and Sirius settled their major issues after the whomping willow. Probably during their school years, though it must have taken some time.

We cannot however assume that Remus, Sirius and Snape got over this incident. In context to each other, (like Remus and Snape, or Sirius and Snape), it is understandable that grudges were held.

We can assume that James and Lily got over their major issues when dating. By which, of course, I mean the toxic elements (hopefully).

We cannot however assume that James and Snape got over their major issues. Or that James attitude towards Snape changed significantly.

We can assume that Snape got over his bigotry. And made positive steps to show this change.

We cannot assume James and/or Sirius got over their bias against Slytherin.

The reason behind this is simply because there is no defining point or reason behind a change, which stops this change from being able to just be assumed. They weren't exactly punished for their actions and these actions possibly even seemed justified.

For the changes that can be assumed, the reasons behind these are:

Remus and Sirius were friends.

James liked Lily.

Snape lost someone he loved due to his bigotry.

These were defining moments that brought about growth.

While it is possible growth might have happened despite these defining moments, it cannot be assumed it did as this assumption will not be supported by text.

P.S: This was directed to a wide audience, but especially to wolf-star antis.

I ship snupin and wolfstar and various variations of this (I'm a polyshipper) and I felt like I had to point out that while wolfstar is heavily problematic if set during their Hogwarts years (as Remus was straight-up betrayed and I have to believe Remus won't just get over it, I kinda adore Remus and him just getting over it would mean inherent toxicity in their relationship), but if this is set after the war... It is very understandable to assume growth has happened. If the fix writers gloss over it, they aren't trying to underestimate the toxicity, it is an honest belief that these issues were worked out at Hogwarts.

this is a rant post so feel free to skip but know that none of this is ever directed to my lovely mutuals. i am usually the type to block and move if you genuinely annoy me (which you all dont <3)

so, a hot take: Sirius is really not as obsessed with James as you all make it out to be, in canon.

is that his best friend? absolutely

did he love him very much? duh

was he devoted or wanted to dedicate his life to James? that's where you lose me icl

if anything James was more interested in entertaining sirius, in the one prominent memory we see of them. there is enough context clues and testimonies to conclude that they were very close. and this is what interested me to ship and explore their dynamic (not a post to say you can only ship with canon hints. im just talking within the topic of my rant lol). there is only one person sirius shows utmost devotion to and that's Harry. that's his godSON, his heir and honestly his everything post Halloween.

it is entirely surprising to me how definitive sirius // james shippers sound when they claim it would be more or most canon. both r/s and j/s operate on the same level of delusion and are informed by canon. yes, I think there is a great possibility in canon that sirius was into james- i love the appeal of pining and even heartbreak if not reciprocated. (I also accept this pining and heartbreak in remus//james if anyone is into that wink wink) similarly, I think that remus and sirius could be romantic starting anywhere in the timeline. a boyish sweet love or secret longing and heartbreak or coming together in their tragedy as adults. endless possibilities, it seems, for all of them.

Anyway, back to the point of this post. its insane to me when wolfstar, in particular, gets pushback with emphasis on canon like there isn't chemistry and history between them right on the pages. its not a magnified reading. its there. in their dialogue, their physicality and its Harry clocking all of this. these are two alive and kicking characters in the books that shippers read. idek how many times this has to be said. people genuinely believed this relationship would lead to queer representation in the book, explicit or implied. people did not have hindsight, believed jkr to be a better person lmao. you don't have to accept this reading but you also cannot be so narrow that you refuse to see this reading as a valid experience for other people.

once again, you don't have to ship wolfstar. at all. maybe the popularity and general hype is the annoying part. there are many reasons to not engage with new age wolfstar shippers btw. but god this "stanning fictional characters" or hating one immensely for the benefit of another, unironically, is so corny. giving stan twt like what imaginary competition is happening?

another thing that ticks me off is the notion that wolfstar are not close at all. yeah, i do complex magic to help out people i don't really like for the hell of it as well. ik there will be some justification to those who want to prove their point by any means. "sirius is smart so he wanted to do advanced magic" "he actually did it for james" or wtv else comes up. idk how to tell you that marauders are friends first of all. yes, james and sirius are closer but there is no hierarchy with remus. he is not as close obviously, but he is also on the edges by all of their character designs. sirius, in his recounts, never talks of remus as someone below him or largely excluded, just as someone who was conforming, compliant and the "good boy". it is also quite clear in their communication that they were good friends. james first befriended the quiet kid cause he liked him, supported him financially because that is his good friend. he did not act out of pity. that is a great disservice to his character as well.

this is my personal take/opinion. sirius would obviously mention his relationship with james to harry and not remus' and his friendship. i don't think remus and sirius were secretly closer btw, but it is a bit odd that wolfstar shippers are expected to write james as the #1 priority for sirius when they are not the focus?(this is a very small group of people btw, miniscule in fact. i'm just ranting to rant, not a larger problem) ig my first hot take comes down to this too. you can interpret the text as you want, and that is okay. you can read sirius as obsessed with james, but it is not canon. so to dunk on other shippers when they don't share the sentiment is?? mind you, i am well aware of wolfstar shippers sidelining or flanderizing james in their interpretations and have ranted about that too many times, not that that's relevant here. just pointed out in case anyone misinterprets lol