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Yes, 100% agree with everything you said and your tags in that post about wtfock being like a group project patched together by 10 people trying to make it unique but still retain elements of the original. At this point Iām honestly just feel like Iām along for the ride and itās not necessarily a good one but Iām here for it lmao. The two willemsā chemistry is holding the whole thing together for me. The cast is doing a great job. Itās just the writing thatās so frustrating and inconsistent.
Itās also frustrating because I feel like some of their ideas were good and had potential ā I like the setting of the trip they went on, I love the whole art school thing, and I loved Noor so much and was really hoping theyād have Robbe open up to her. The flat share dynamic is so fucking cute, and I thought the buildup to the pool scene was also beautiful. It just makes me sad that theyāve gone so wrong with the drama. Idk why they packed so much shit in in such little time :( disappointing
exactly! i pretty much agree with all of this. the situation is so frustrating bc itās not all 100% bad ideas, it wouldāve been much easier to say it sucks and dismiss it completely if it was. but thatās not the case, there was some real potential here!
there have been some good ideas executed well - the flastshare āfound familyā dynamic, for example, is the highlight of the season imo; the willems are believable to me as teens, their (great!) chemistry is what made the robbe/sander relationship seem less underdeveloped than it was, and when theyāre allowed to be cute and loving with each other, they SHINE (this latest clip, for example).Ā
there have also been some good ideas executed badly tho - the week at the beach??? i will never understand why they waited TWO WHOLE EPS to introduce sander, the character whoās basically the catalyst for s3ā²s storyline - it made the first two eps feel repetitive and slow, it messed up the pacing of the whole first half of the season (first slow, then fast af when packing so much sander content all at once), it cut out one of the best things about the evak development (the slow burn! isak seeing him for the first time, the nerves when he talks to him a few days later, seeing him around school and the lowkey stalking him trying to find out everything about him and becoming even more enamoured, *more* nerves when he asks him over to his place and they spend all afternoon together getting to know each otherā¦.ahhh, lovely), and it made their relationship feel underdeveloped and rushed (an almost kiss after 6 days of knowing each other in which they interacted twice, kissing naked in a pool after a week and a halfā¦..etc etc. realistic? maybe. good storytelling? less so). which brings me back to the week at the beach - they took away two weeks of sander, ok, at least make up for it by featuring him A LOT during that week at the beach??? use that week to focus on robbe and sander making eyes at each other, getting to know each other, talking, hanging out, listening to musicā¦.unlike all the other evaks they were on vacation TOGETHER, they were in the SAME PLACE together, it was such a ROMANTIC setting, the opportunity was RIGHT THERE. but instead that whole week was sander/britt and robbe/noor nonstop, with a bit of sad pining on top. which speaking of noor!!! yeah, the way she was introduced seemed like she could be one of the better emmas, iāve seen people say they loved how they built up their relationship and the development they got, and likeā¦..what a waste that ended up being?? if heād ended up coming out to her and theyād become friends (since his own friends were being blah), then ok, i get giving them all this focus. but that didnāt happen. she ended up being like every other emma, confronting him about being gay and telling him to get out of the closet. so why did we spend so much time on her and robbe??? was it really that important to show them making out numerous times, even trying to go all the way twiceā¦.?? being gay and fighting your true self is sad, we get it, we got it watching og s3 without seeing isak force himself to make out with emma numerous times (and without lashing out at even accusing him of taking advantage of him and calling him a slurā¦.and without watching him and even get gay bashedā¦.and without one of his friends being homophobic to him when he came outā¦.).
ā¦ā¦iām rambling. but basically, this couldāve been a good season, if only the writing was (much) better; if the writers concentrated and followed up on their original additions to the season instead of trying to stay with ogās timeline and follow its plot; and if the writers cared more about telling a good, hopeful story than they did about doubling down on the drama. s3 had enough drama without all this extra stuff, it didnāt need more! there needs to be a good balance b/w angst and fluff, and wtfock just didnāt have that this season. and again, itās not *all* bad, and i do get why so many people are going gaga over robbe/sander - theyāre pretty together, they have great chemistry and ust, and theyāre super cute and fluffy with each other! but the writing, manā¦..i just canāt ignore it? if this were any other show, i probably could, lord knows iāve watched (and still do tbh) shitty shows just for that one cute couple i loved and believed deserved the best. but itās not just any other show, itās skam, and og s3 was SO MUCH MORE than just a love story b/w two guys. there were so many layers, so much depth and symbolism and big themes throughout the season, the cause and effect and how everything that happened was important and everything was connected and had a big effect on isakās story (e.g. the isak and sana friendship - apparently some people think robbeās and yasminaās friendship is better bc it wasnāt based on the weed plot? which isā¦.listen, theyāre hella sweet together and itād have been nice to have seen her more this season, but *none* of the remakes have managed to fully recreate this friendship, bc *all* of them have failed to understand what was so great about it - i could write an essay on this, honestly). ANYWAY, my point is - i get why people are loving robbe/sander, theyāre cute and sweet. but the writing hasnāt done them any favors (in fact itās done more wrong by them than right and itās really the willems holding all of this together, so good job boys!), and even if itās all perfection from now until the end, it just feels like too little too late for me, like, the damage has already been done. iām keeping up with it bc iām curious to see how it ends, but itās not what i was expecting and iām disappointed. and to each their own ofc, but i canāt say iām not baffled when i see people saying they like robbe/sander better than evak or how this season is much better than og s3. i just donāt see it??? especially the latter (the former is more of a personal preference, i suppose? but like i said, the writing for evak >>>>> the writing for them, so), which is to me one of the best seasons of tv EVER. itās literally flawless. thereās not a single thing i would change about it (force me and i might change a couple of things, but nothing *too* major). but again, to each their own! š¤·āāļø just donāt disrespect the og when praising your favorite remake, and iām good, idc. itās when i see people disrespecting/belittling/diminishing etc etc og that i get into Fighting Mode, otherwise agree to disagree!
Lol Sander has been an asshole! The hotel manager thing, crashing robbe into the boxes & leaving him to clean them up himself w/o apology, asking him to name 3 songs (LIT RALLY peak asshole material), ignoring amberās wishes for health food! And clearly heās about to fucking cheat on Britt so i wouldnāt say that him shooting her is the biggest dick move heāll pull. It doesnāt mean heās a bad person but he certainly hasnāt been the kindest so far. But I think it serves a purpose. (Cont)
So far, Robbe seems /too nice/. He worries more about others than himself, to the point where he lets them walk all over him, including the cursed boy squad . Sander may teach him to be more selfish + stick up for himself, which will help him come out &dish the shit back to his dumbass friends. Sander seems the kind of asshole who looks after himself and his own. We donāt know how long he &Britt have been dating; he probably doesnāt consider her his own. He just seems full slytherin to me lol
Maybe because Sander is a bit of an asshole, he will teach Robbe to be more self-serving, while Robbe will teach him to be more considerate and softer. I can only hope for mutual character development. š
I agree with a lot of this. Quite a few of the things Sander has done make him look mean. I'm just counting and judging different things in different ways than you I guess ^^
The whole manger shtick was weird to me, but not mean. Like something I'd ramble off because it sounded cool in my head and then I just try to go with it to not make it too awkward. I wouldn't say, he "crashed" Robbe into the boxes, but just walking away after was weird. And I'm not feeling strongly about him dismissing Amber's food choices. Like, they're teenagers who want to party. None of the others would have been into whatever Amber would have cooked for them and nobody is stopping her from getting her own food... (I'm an asshole about this... I totally know how bad it is when there are things you can't /shouldn't eat, but I had to learn to take care of my needs myself...)
But like hurting your girlfriend and playing it off as a joke. That's mean. Were Britt my friend, I would have yelled at him. Were I Robbe, I'd try hard not to fall for him, because if that's how he treats his significant other (unprovoked as far as we've seen), I wouldn't want to be his significant other... (I said that about Matteo after he dumped Sara too btw)
All of those things don't have to be deal-breakers though if the show puts them into the right context. I'm sure we're supposed to be a bit questioning about Sander at the moment.
So I hope you're right and they're going for character development for Robbe and Sander and both of them learning from each other. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
Your blog is so fuckin funny. I am just exacerbating the chaotic, primal mess in ur inbox. figured Iād throw yet another ask on top of the shitpile for u
"chaotic, primal mess" so accurately and poetically describes my ask, Hemingway is fucking trembling dude
omg dude. the kink talk in the new chapter of tmtts. i just wanted to come here and scream about it because i was muffling laughter into my pillow. also the scene at lunch made my heart sing. the fucking tomatoes lfjsdfk
even: idk i just want to have sex
isak: yeah cool so anyway i want to fuck in a bathroom

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once again weāre in full agreement lol. Whatās your take on s3 remakes youāve watched? Wondering how you feel about Skam FR as itās kind of a similar situation to me where the chemistry & beauty is there but the writing and style is iffy (overwrought &overdramatic). My favorite s3 is druck. As a wlw I had high hopes for espaƱa but it was p slow/v desexualizedāa whole discussion, but my other gay friend & I were disappointed given how remakes with guys donāt hold back in that respect.. Thoughts?
Honestly re: wtfock tho I really do wonder if they had like one good writer in the room surrounded by fools. Bc it really does feel like some group projects Iāve been in where I feel like Iām the only one whoās not a fucking fool and carry the whole thing while having to fend off bad ideas (but when the majority rules, those bad ideas/execution get put in). I wonder if thatās what happened w wtfock.
re: wtfock, lol group projects are the worstā¦.idk what wtfockās writing process was like, but iād love to know it. according to their wiki there were 3 writers this season? all seem to be male, naturally. did the two other writers have good ideas but there was a main writer who overruled them and did his own thing? or maybe theyāre the rl one brain cell squad, that would explain a lot :p in any case, iām unimpressed (fridayās clips did not help with that).
as for the other part of your askā¦.oh damn i have so many Thoughts on that, lol. this is probably gonna get long and messy, but you asked for it!
* druck - my absolute favorite. itās the only one iāve watched since s1, so that definitely played a part in my emotional investment and attachment. still, there was more to it than that. it was the closest to og imo in vibe and style (it felt small, real, lowkey, quiet, natural like og, as opposed to - as you said - overwrought and overdramatic + overproduced like the others); they cast an actual trans guy to play a trans character, if you wanna talk about a skam remake doing something REVOLUTIONARY? druck is the one; i loved matteoās and davidās characterizations, how they both had a bit of isak and even in them, and the role reversal in some scenes, made things feel fresh *and* fit their characters/story; i LOVE that teens matteo and david were played by actual teens michi and lukas!! theyāve completely ruined me for all other remakes, bc thissssss is how itās supposed to be! thisssss is how it should look like! THEY ARE KIDDOS. and they (druck and michi/lukas) truly captured what itās like to be young and fall in love for the first time, the awkwardness and the nervousness and stuttering and fumbling around, the softness and pureness and innocence of it all!!! also they have THE BEST dynamic - other people might prefer all the hot kissing and steamy making out and the smouldering looks, but me? i just couldnāt get enough of their dumb chaotic energy, best friends who love each other deeply and are also constantly little shits to one another. gimme them pranking each other and playfighting every day! and then being soft and THE HANDS and matteo being a clingy koala basking in davidās affection :3 i also loved how for the most part they didnāt just copy/paste ogās storyline, they made some changes and knew how to make *other* changes accordingly for it to make sense and fit the story *they* were telling - for example, replacing theĀ ācall your gfā scene with matteoās panic attack/breakdown (one of my fave scenes), or their reunion at the end of ep 7 (replacing the desperate kissing + sex with a comforting and relieved yet also bittersweet and melancholic hug), or even matteo getting advice from his drug dealer instead of the schoolās doctor, lol. also THE BEST BOY SQUAD, hands down. and matteo is my favorite isak bc to me he felt like his own character instead of just another isak, he was different and reletable and a constant Mood. that being said - it wasnāt perfect and it had its issues. there were a few times when i did feel they stuck too close to og scenes and it didnāt *entirely* work for me, just felt a bit off; i will forever be disappointed that they didnāt directly address and acknowledge matteoās mental state/depression, bc there were enough signs imo to indicate that he did suffer from something. they mentionedĀ ātherapyā in miaās, alexās and kikiās cases, i truly thought they would with matteo as well, but alas, they dropped the ball on that one; i was extremely upset with davidās outing, but iāve since calmed down and have managed to see it in a more positive light, tho i still have mixed feelings about it and am not fully on board with that decision, still wish it had been done differently (but at least! it wasnāt brushed off and was addressed immediately and eventually led to david having agency and yelling out his pain!!! which was good and important and cathartic); also eps 8 and 9 were pretty messy writing-wise, things either didnāt make sense or wouldāve made more sense had the clips were organized differently (that random ping pong clipā¦.?). overall tho, the good outweighed the bad, and it remains my fave <3
* skam france - now thatās a tricky one. the way i felt about it in the first half of the season, is different from the way i felt about it in the second half of the season, is different from the way i feel about ever since watching druckās s3. itās funny you should say how similar it is to wtfock for you, bc iāve been thinking the same thing for quite some time. thoseĀ neighboring countries sure have a shared flair for the dramatic! frās s3 was pretty much the first s3 i watched (i gif-watched half of skamit, couldnāt get into it). i wasnāt planning to (i was extremely unimpressed by the couple of s1 eps i tried watching, and same by axelās acting in those first two seasons), but even is the loml and they got me gooood with their eliott pov trailer, which might have affected my excitement over it during the first half. back then i really enjoyed it for the most part, despite some clips being rushed or missing the point thus not fully having the required effect (their locker room scene, for example, or the āgeneralizations are badā convo), or how much i hated basile (a character so obviously written by a man itās amazing), or the cheesy piano music. there were enough good things for me to focus on instead (more in a bit) that i could ignore the things i didnāt like or werenāt as good imo. however, all the positivity got sucked out of me when yann noped tf out after lucas came out to him bc WAY TO MISS THE POINT OF SKAM!!! and things went downhill after the directorās ITāS NOT DISNEYLAND ITāS FRANCE 2019 comment. iām getting all upset just thinking about it, but to say *that*, to explain that horrendous decision bc lowkey homophobic reactions are realistic!!! only to THEN be allĀ āhaha jk yann isnāt homophobic! we just wanted you to *think* he was! heās actually an awesome friend who took several days to reflect on all his past wrongdoings while his bff was at home having a nervous breakdown bc he believed his bff hated him!ā ughhhhhhhhh, miss me with that shit. great that they had yann apologizing for his past comments, but the way in which it was done was for pure shock value and angst, completely ooc for his character (all season he was allĀ ātell me tell me tell me let me help let me help let me helpā only to do *that*?? nahh), and interesting how out of everyone the only black character was the only one with a negative reaction (remind you of anyone), highlighted even more during ep 7 aka the ott lucas coming out tour. then ep 8, that should have been 100% all lucas and eliott and building up to eliottās manic episode suddenly had that weird random pov changing clip in the middle of it which truly wtf, basile was still basile, lucas thanked chloe for outing him, more scenes felt rushed, they had sex in school where people could come and go in front of huge windows in broad daylight and luckily didnāt get poisoned from licking all that paint! and i did not like the flatshare, i absolutely hated mika and lisa kicking lucas out of his room - which he pays rent for! - and manon not even trying to put up a fight, and them being likeĀ āroommate isnāt just a place, itās a way of living. thatās a family, and youāre more like a cousin.āĀ āa second cousin.ā ughhhhhh and then when eliott was recovering from his depressive episode, they *still* didnāt give lucas his room back or at least let eliott stay there, he was sleeping on the couch, iām aldjlajdafj. canāt believe iām gonna say it, but TAKE NOTES FROM WTFOCK. tl;dr there were some good moments in the second half, but i was feeling bitter more often than not about certain things, so my enjoyment wasnāt as high as when it first started. and after watching druck, druckās brand is definitely much more my style. plus, i was already struggling with making myself believe axel and maxence were in their teens, but after druck itās completely impossible, so i just pretend theyāre in college or something lol. all my issues with it aside, iād still rate it higher than wtfock, bc overall the writing was better, more coherent, and made much more sense. i also liked lucasā friendship with the girls; i loved that instead of copying the underwater kiss + 21:21 like some others have, they came up with their own thing i.e. polaris, which i thought was lovely; the lucas/manon crying in the middle of the night together in front of the tv was one of my fave scenes of the season; also love how we were introduced to eliott on the first week! and they spent time together! and specifically the piano playing scene, ohhhh; and in general elu are sweet and i reeeeally like axel and maxence and their friendship. so yeah, it had some major issues, but iād rather have a coherent story with something done for shock value and drama ONCE than an incoherent story with several shock value moments.
* skam espana - sorry to hear you girls were disappointed! i only watched half of it, so i can only comment on what i saw. i decided to binge watch s1 and give s2 a shot when i heard they were giving cris isakās story - it felt a bit weird to me, but it was also something different and new, and i did have an appreciation for their decision to have a wlw season (also much more revolutionary to me than showing a gay bashing), so i was intrigued and willing to try it. sadly i didnāt really vibe with s1? itās totally a personal preference i think, maybe even a cultural thing idk, but it felt very fast and loud and hectic to me, idrk how to explain it. i was just more into the chill more lowkey vibe of druck and skamnl. but i still gave s2 a shot, and idk, it still wasnāt my cup of tea. i thought it was ok for the most part, but there were some things that bothered me - joana/cris felt underdeveloped to me? and things b/w them felt like they were moving so fast from the second they met, like jona was so intense and forward ALL THE TIME, they had like 6 almost kisses in a really short time, like shhh slow down. i remember disliking theirĀ ācall your gfā scene, it felt really petty and kinda mean to me? bc i felt like joana came on to cris *really* strongly and *very* frequently, so cris was more than entitled to feel hurt and betrayed when she found out joana had a bf, but then cris was kissing a dude and joana positioned herself and her bf in front of cris so sheād see them kissing too, and i just didnāt like bc seriously?? cris is valid, just apologize to her and explain?? idr much else tbh, they had some really cute and sweet scenes afterwards, iām still against doing the underwater kiss + 21:21 so i was kinda meh about that (tho aesthetically speaking it was BEAUTIFUL, and iām like, fiiiiine girls deserve an underwater kiss too, iāll allow it just this once!), and that cuddling clip in ep 6 i think was sweet and the last one i watched. like i said, i was less vibing with this remake, and iirc it was going on during druckās s3 and skamnlās s2 - which were my faves, plus skamfr was on too i think and i was lowkey following it too, soā¦.there was just too much all at once and something had to go, and it was skamesp. it was also around the time when panaphobia-gate happened, so *shrugs* iām not wlw myself so your opinion on it being desexualized is probably more valid than mine? i just know when i did watch, there was a lot of kissing and making out and being cute and touchy with each other, so i thought it was ok? as iāve mentioned before, i donāt need to see a naked butt or anything like that to *get* it lol, i thought they were lovely! but thatās just me. i will say that my faaaave part was most definitely the cris/amira friendship. they were so wonderful! one of the best skam friendships imo. i might one day go back and finish the season just for the heck of it, but they didnāt do anything major or highly offensive that made me have negative feelings towards it, it was just a personal preference + circumstances (too many remakes!) that made me be less into it and drop it before the end.
Your commentary on wtfock and Skam in general is refreshingly smart! Your wtfock points are apt and people just donāt like seeing criticism because theyāre being optimistic about the show redeeming itself... I was like that too but there are only a couple episodes left, now, and they have too many things to address effectively.
aww thank you! itās nice to know people out there appreciate my thinky thoughts š and yeah, i totally get it, when *i* get emotionally invested in something and itās something i really really love, iām not always fond of criticism either, sometimes i just wanna ignore the bad enjoy the good and not let anything harsh my buzz. thatās why when i feel like maybe iām being *too* negative, i keep it out of the tag. i donāt wanna ruin the fun for anyone else, y'know? but there are some things that truly frustrate me, things that i feel like *should* be heard and discussed even if theyāre not all positive, and as long as iām not shaming anyone for disagreeing with me, i think thatās fine? if itās too much, just keep scrolling and skip my posts, thatās what i do! but ultimately iām not being hateful just to be hateful, and while some may be a personal subjective preference, other issues are simply objectively not good? i get trying to be optimistic about the show redeeming itself, but at some point you gotta acknowledge when things arenāt good (you can still enjoy bad things w/o deluding yourself into thinking theyāre great, i speak from experience), lower your expectations so you donāt get disappointed if/when the show fails you, and just hope for the best. and if we were on say ep 3 atm then ok, iāll accept it might be too early to judge, things could still change and get better. but wtfock is halfway through ep 8ā¦thereās just some things that you canāt change. like, even if they have robbe going to the police with zoe by the end of the season, itās not gonna change the fact that they showed a graphic gay bashing, only to then focus most of their attention on the standard isak/even/sonja relationship drama from og instead, barely addressing it and barely dealing with robbeās trauma this whole time. i truly hope they bring it up again at some point, i hope they handle sanderās mi storyline with the care and respect it deserves, but based on what weāve gotten so far, can you really fault people for *not* being as optimistic as you about itā¦.? bc i canāt! but hey, everyone should keep doing them, just realize that most of peopleās criticism is valid!
(TL;DR thank you! you get me!) (see previous anon, i *can* keep my TL;DRs short sometimes haha)
Your druck posts are sending me and Iām š over the tiny characters and the fact that some of the cast has acknowledged them on insta is !!!!!!! So cool. I would love to know ur reaction to todayās wtfock clips, as I know youāve been struggling to stay interested with the repetitive bullshit š also wondering if u ever watched skam nl before its untimely death?
Ahoi!
Thanks for reading my thoughts on Druck and WTFock. I'm glad you like some of my musings.
I'm very late to the WTFock party today because I slept in š but I was already really happy about and impressed by the first clip. It had everything I wanted and needed to feel like I'm finally in Robbe's perspective. Which made me realize just how fucking sad my sweet gay Belgian son is ššš
I made a post about it already and I'll continue to write down my opinions as they come to me. It's not quite analysis, just thoughts I can't keep to myself.
I've actually watched parts of Skam NL season 1 and all of season 2. I love the characters, especially Liv, Isa, Engel, Noah and Lucas vdH. I would have loved to see a season 3...
Thanks for your sweet message. š