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Hello! Can you make a post where to explain why two Virgos operate/express themselves so differently (Namjoon/Jungkook)? I mean I definitely see commonalities in some aspects of their personalities as having wonderful critical/analytical skills. I find it interesting how Jungoo consider himself as being dumb. You think that Pluto in his 3rd has much to do with his mental abilities doubts? Thanks a lot and I appreciate a lot your writings cause they're exceptionally insightful!
Hey there!!Ā šššššš Thank you so much jsdshshnhngg for asking about my opinions!!Ā ššš I actually did a whole series AND natal reading on both of them... Iāll link you to it here:
Virgo Boys Birthday Project
Jeon Jungkook: Inner Planet Natal Reading
Kim Namjoon: Inner Planet Natal Reading
*Note: I didnāt use the speculated birthtime, so this is just their inner planets + aspects interpretation.Ā
To be fair.. I think Namjoonās cardinality shines a lot! šššWith that Libra Mercury. For both Virgos, I kinda want to focus in on their sun-ruler first? With Namjoonās (Virgo - Mercury) Libra Mercury, itās also sextile to his Sagittarius Moon. We see this a lot, where heās passionate about something or gets riled up about it, or clear his head when heās in nature. But he also have his Cancer Mars squared to that Mercury. Which we see a lot too, especially in the run episodes.Ā
I do think a part of how I look at them differently is because their Suns are in different decans as well. Namjoon has a Saturn decan with his Sun, plus his Moon is also squared to Saturn. The responsibility andĀ āweightā his Virgo might tend to focus more on the bigger picture/impact and societal opposition/authorities. Whilst JK is a Mercury decan, with a domicile Mercury itself!Ā šššĀ
With JK, his moonās actually in a period where it could be shifting to a different sign. So he could also potentially have a Virgo moon as well. I think this is a part of why I think thereās a high possibility he could be harder on himself too (if it turns out to be that).
I think heās much more comfortable doing things (Mercury/Mars sextile) because itās also about control. The elements he canāt control (Mercury/Pluto) - rather than debilitate him, I think it talks about spontaneity in his thoughts/progression.Ā
For JK and Namjoon, I think heās able to focus well when he puts his mind to it/is in the mood - but because he does have pretty interesting fires (Aries Saturn as well - itās in fall with Saturn, he might lackĀ āfinishing projectsā sometimes + plus that Sag Pluto/Virgo Mercury) - he might put himself on a pedestal that can be hard to reach. Heād probably have to learn how to deal and work with the spontaneity as part of how he might operate/nature. Whilst Namjoon (with his Pisces Saturn trine Jupiter/Mars/Venus) may have an easier time - but finds it harder to moveĀ āoutā of the head-space/emotional space as well.
Anyways!!Ā šššĀ This was kinda short.. but I hope it?? isnāt messy. I should probably flush this out more. I kinda just wrote what came to mind hm. But I hope this brainstorm makes sense?Ā šššĀ Anyways thank u for asking!!Ā šššĀ
For the Namjoon ideal thing - would fire placements like Aries and Leo also go well with his moon? And also would it help if the chart is supported with earth and water placement to tone down the fire? š
Hey there! š Thank u for the ask uwuĀ š Iām glad youāre interested in NJās ideal thing!Ā šĀ
Honestly any placement would be good with him.Ā EveryĀ relationships depends on your own interaction with your chart, your own personal development and how much work youāre willing to put into relationships y know?
Thatās why thereās no such thing as bad compatibility. Itās probably just how much you understand about yourself/others, and how much effort/forgiveness you can give to someone else. Tolerance, communication and understanding is a big thing in compatibilityā and thatās just across the board (platonic/romantic ones).Ā
In terms of Moon Signs, yeah Aries/Leo Moon would be good with Sagittarius Moon specifically. Having the same element in the Moon signs brings a lot of understanding/sharing sympathy/vibing temperaments. But having the same elemental moon just isnāt enough to bring people together.Ā Thatās why thereās so much emphasis on looking at peopleās complete chart, and their own interaction with their charts. Because in most cases, the way that Moon works/manifest in us individually is different from one person to another.Ā
We can share the same Moon sign with someone (and same sun/ASC) and come across completely different. Thatās because our chart arenāt working the same, and the traits of say, an Aries Moon often find themselves not sharing the same traits as another person who also has an Aries Moon y know. Itās not a guarantee, and signs themselves are so vast/multi-layered that you donāt really get to pick what youāre predisposed to (thatās different from others). Thereās camaraderie there, a sympathetic understanding of each other obviously (like being on the same colour-team)ā but even sharing the same sign with someone, itās not going to guarantee youāll have great compatibility with them (which is why you see people awkwardly trying to vibe with each other, but their vibes are too stiff/awkward because they share the same sign/placements sometimes)Ā
Itās also to do with our houses, our other placements, our aspects, our decan, etc. The relationship from one person to another can be so different, it depends on what you feel comfortable handling and your exterior conditioning as well (like, having grown up surrounded/adopting traits of a certain sign/placementā social conditioning)Ā
So yes, fire-moon would definitely go well with his Moon (Tae, Jin, JK are good examples) but itās not a guarantee/principle rule for anĀ āidealā placement to someone. There are lots of other factors involved in making that decision, and sometimes your Moon is the same one betraying you when trying to connect to someone else.Ā
For the second question, itās less about taming the fire but making the fire feel accepted/belongs/fit in. So no, having earth/water placement isnāt going to tone down the fire. Because the fire wasnāt the problem in the first place. The earth/water placement is however, going to agitate the fire even more but in the worst way/non-productive way (when it doesnāt understand each other: see below)Ā
Itās also more about polarity? Like the part of him that is fiery and exerted is his air/fire qualities, but itās grounded in this heavy earth/water he has already. So when it comes to vibing off another person/wanting to see it replicated in someone else, itās gravitating towards that same fiery/air-fire driven combo. With Tae/Jin in particular itās because they exude heavy air (Taeās Aquarius- Aries Moon) and fire combination (Jinās Sagittarius Sun- Aries Moon) but thereās also conflict with the heavy Capricorns placements in them as well.Ā
Thatās part of the reason why I didnāt include water-signs in his ideal placements, itāll be good for him sure but that totally depends on how in-touch Namjoon is with his water-qualities/placement/consciousness. The water-sign stuff isnāt posing as the biggest problem for himā the sagittarius-libra thing is. And thatās the part heās probably invested in more when looking to vibe off another.Ā Ā
I nearly included Pisces for his ideal placements but I figured I should explain it more here, water signs are good for him (especially since Pisces/Sagittarius share the same ruler - Jupiter) but itās more about temperaments and consciously understanding ourselves. The earth/water heavy chart poses a bigger problem of having a different approach/temperament to certain things (depending on their placements) āthat without any type of air/fire conflict in them, Namjoon would feel disconnected to the person - y know? And thatās also the biggest thing with Scorpio.Ā
Scorpio Venus is pretty adaptable like it doesnāt have to be a water-sign or earth-sign it feels connected with. In fact it can be very fire-driven/appreciate fire-traits/earth traits. So what matters the most here is that the other person has to have that sparkly fire/air combo (20%) and an earth thing going on for them (80%). (Since his own ratio/how he perceives himself is probably going to be 80% fire/air and 20% earth/water ā balancing each other out, supporting each other)Ā
Also understand that Sagittarius Moon like his, especially with Libra Mercury, shies away from unprompted/unexpected emotional talks of any kind. OrĀ clear communication/personal intimate connection as a whole when he doesnāt have the time/emotional connectivity for it. It takes him a while to get into that gear, that connection to his own water-traits.Ā So heavy water-earth temperament/approach can sometimes pose to be tooĀ āheavyā/ āemotionalā for the fire-air spark dominant relationship heās looking for.Ā
Itās also just a matter of ā you yourself and how much youāre willing to put up with each other realistically y know? Like as much as this is about finding what heās good with, itās also a matter of not compromising yourself to fit what his standards/needs are as well. Tolerance, acceptance and understanding shouldnāt be forced/felt like gritting your teeth through the entire thing.
Having a fire moon, with an earth/water heavy combination is good for you and you have your own understanding of yourself/how you can deal/sort/help with a situation someone else might be having, but its never about compromising yourself to put someone else first.Ā
For relationships to actually work, itās about collaborating with one another and finding it in yourself the understanding/sympathy to another personā without ever putting yourself second to someone else. It shouldnāt feel that way ever, even when youāre coming to a decision together. It should feel like youāre working together for something for yourself, always. Even if thatĀ āsomething for yourselfā is selfless or for another, itās something you still have control over and youāre notā sacrilege to someone elseās will (power dynamic will be tilted when you donāt take responsibilities for yourself or your inaction/action) and start the blame game/letting your relationship lead your life, y know?
I hope this answers your question!Ā š Iām sorry I pointed out a lot ofĀ ānosā/ābutsā in this answer sdkjfn I feel really bad for it. Again, any relationship/compatibility can work. Itās just a matter of what you know about yourself, what youāre willing to put yourself into and what you yourself decide to stick by. Itās about not compromising yourself, but also having strong sympathy/understanding for another.
So if you really feel strongly about someone elseā and your ācompatibilityā/astrology says otherwiseā please still go for it!! Pursue it and donāt be disheartened!! This is all just to give guidance, and making people conscious/aware of what they should/shouldnāt tolerate in others.Ā Astrology is about looking for directions/having control of yourselfĀ to apply it to your own life/how you treat others. All Iām pointing out is just the challenges/difficulties the relationship might faceāĀ āperfectā/āidealā placement doesnāt exist completely (even with AA+ aspects) and a little friction/challenge is good between two people.Ā š
No relationship is not going to benefit from a little difficulty/challenges that involves self-evaluation, growth and learning how to work with others. Itās the same as social conditioning, you just have to be careful with the energy you put out, the conscious effort to check yourself and to love yourself as much as you love another as well. š
EDIT: Also having a fire moon would make the moon trine his moon, depending on how you view that/the rest of your chart looks it could be good for your overall synastry. šĀ
Hi I've been reading a lot of your posts lately and I have to say they're the most informational and analytical from what I 've seen on this webside! You actually take time to analyse the charts and I really it's so cool :D Also I have a quick question if it's not a bother: do you think Namjoon could have his moon in the first house? I was curious because I have my libra moon in the first (I hate it tbh) and the descripion fits him pretty well. I'm sorry for the long aks ;-;
Hey there!!Ā ššš No worries at all I love long asks and I love hearing what u think!!Ā ššš Aaaahsbjha thank u for liking the stuff itās not much but thank u so much for liking them anywaysĀ ššĀ
Sag Moon in 1st would be-- really fun to see tbh sdjknfksnk lmao hows ur libra moon in 1st going for u?? ;;Ā ššš I hope ure doing well sdknskjnĀ šš thereās not anything to worry about but like, I was jus curious how its goin with moon in 1st peeps in general šššĀ
So I'm curious on your opinion. How would you rate bts members on how petty they can be? I was watching something and RM had said something that Jin was quick to express his disbelief for and expose him. Who do you think is the pettiest? Idk if this question even make sense but yeah. Thank you for you opinion.
sfjksnkf I hope you donāt mind if this is short/just my own opinion!Ā š
EDIT: ok its not short iM SORRY
[Below Cut: BTS Pettiness]Ā
First of all;Ā Cancer Mars in the team specifically. Jin, Yoongi Namjoon. Iād say Namjoon is the pettiest in my opinion. In the most direct sense of the word, a lot of his energy is focused on processing from the external to the internal (Libra/Sagittarius - Virgo) and then pushing a lot of that internal energy (thatās expanded/processed) outwards again.Ā
If you think of it as like, mixing ingredients to make dough and letting that dough rise. Then trying to fit that dough through a too-small space to get a specific shape. Itās a lot like frustration and wanting to express but still being held under strict confinement (in his case, by mannerism/the mind - Libra/Virgo)Ā
It creates an individual who is sneaky, but not in an innocent way. Sneaky as in they express their mischievous side more and pose their dissatisfaction as somethingĀ ānot that big of a dealā when it is to them. (trying to fit the dough into a specific shape thatās too small)Ā
Namjoon is passive aggressive in a way that you can tell heās still trying to keep a resemblanceĀ of control, yet somehow his emotions are getting the better of him because he canāt help it. Combined with Sagittarius Moon, a lot of the time itās outbursts that are rant-like and can be more of a whining than anything.Ā
Jin is first and foremost just very reactive, as a person. He controls himself in a way that either shuts off his emotionality completelyĀ (Capricorn/Scorpio) or uses it to express himself in his entiretyĀ (with his whole being ā Aries/Sagittarius). This control helps him keep a resemblance of authority over his life/choice/actions, but at the same time it can lead to a lot of stewing and general cynicism to those around him.Ā
Aries isnāt petty on itās own, but rather in combination with Scorpio and Capricorn in combination with Sagittarius leads to a lot of strong opinions and dissatisfaction with not leading discussions/feeling heard when heās supposedlyĀ āput in chargeā.
Pettiness in this sense, is more likeĀ āwhy would you say something like that and then not go through with it? Donāt you know it affects me too?āĀ (Capricorn Venus) orĀ āyour words are one thing but your action is another. Make up your mind.ā (Sagittarius/Scorpio-Aries)Ā
Yoongi on the other hand, tend to internalize a lot of stuff (Virgo Moon/Pisces) although he might notĀ āput that same energy out thereā the internalization helps with keeping a grudge much longer than people expect (Pisces/Cancer)
This has to do with Pisces Mercury not knowing how to express itself when something truly bad/hurtful happens to them (something thatās just out of the left field)Ā and thus, when internalization happen (if they didnāt get to talk/resolve it immediately) it becomes a grudge instead.
Itās not so much as pettiness as an acknowledgement that it has happened, and at the time it has hurt them. But because theyāre so focused on not putting that energy out there (Aries Venus) they like to think they should always try to take theĀ āhigher roadā orĀ āchallenge themselves to do betterāĀ (Pisces Mercury/Sun) ā but canāt help but gleam a lot of satisfaction at seeing their adversary suffer (Virgo Moon/Cancer Mars).
In a way, for Yoongiā Virgo Moon talks so much about self-discipline that it becomesĀ ālet them suffer on their own, we should focus on ourselves/work harder to overcome themā instead.Ā Ā
Another one to note thatās similar to Yoongi is Jimin. Jiminās reaction are much more apparent, but it alsoĀ ālooks like heās plotting somethingā at the same time. Itās not so much of a Libra/Gemini thing as a Scorpio thing.Ā Ā
Scorpio tends to get people thinking that theyāre naturally suspicious when theyāre not. With Jimin, a lot of the time itās aĀ Ā āno means noā situationĀ and if you donāt listen to that, heāll come for you directly (Libra Sun/Mercury).Ā
He doesnāt let things slide, hurt him one shame on him. Hurt him twice heās cutting you off for good.
Itās not so much of pettiness as self-preservation. Sure thereās emotional things like being hurtĀ that factors in, but he processes that through talking/communicating. If something bothers him, heās going to talk about it first heās not going to start acting passive aggressive out of nowhere (Libra Sun/Mercury).Ā
If itās dissatisfaction, itās more aimed towards himself than others. If itās dissatisfaction towards othersā you best be sure he canāt keep his mouth shut from going off on you for long.Ā
If prompted, heāll burst into a dam of overflowing criticism andĀ āways to behave betterā (Libra/Gemini) and he wonāt stop until heās sureĀ āyou really gets itā (Scorpio Venus) and that you show through your action/demonstration that you do (consistently- Scorpio Mars)Ā
Another person is Jungkook. Pettiness in this sense is more like child-like pettiness, not theĀ āunwilling to share/āselfishnessāā part on his belonging but more like he tends to judge people harshly sometimes without giving them a chance/if he doesnāt watch himself.
Itās more like, not believing he is naturally petty and doing his best to NOT be pettyā but constantly confronting parts/faucets of himself that is petty and him not being able to accept that in himself (Leo Moon)Ā Ā
He wants to be the best version of himself but at the same time, heās highly romantic and wants the best in others/himself. This comes an inability to accept the self forĀ āwho it isā or understand what theĀ ātrueā self is sometimes.Ā
This is more apparent with maturity, because maturing comes with understanding/accepting part of oneself and overcoming it organically. In order to do that, he has to confront some truths about himself heās kept hidden to keep preservation/peace of mind in his younger days.Ā Ā
Pettiness in this sense comes from seeing something they donāt want to see, and not accepting the reality of it. Be it in others or in themselves, their ability to turn the other face and demand itĀ āremove itselfā from their sight is Leo/Virgo pettiness at its core.
This also, links into part of Virgoās personality and why they control/point out flaws so much. A lot of the time they have no problem facing things theyāve acknowledged/relish in pulling it into the open. But other times, when they donāt want to face something they are arguably very stubborn in not even acknowledging it to themselves either.Ā
WIth Hoseok, pettiness in this sense comes from social awareness (Pisces/Aquarius)Ā
Things other people have (Taurus) things they themselves are lacking, things they could implement. Peopleās reaction/how they speak (Aquarius). All these external factors leads to the Aquarius being critical of themselves and others, expressively showing dissatisfaction and a closed-ears reaction to improving themselves in order toĀ āgain moreā.Ā
It mostly has to do with Taurus Moon, pettiness in this sense isnāt even pettiness itās more like mildly suppressed jealousy/envy. A valid emotion to have, but problem seems to be focused on them and how they react to their own dissatisfaction.
Taurus Moon doesnāt like feeling negative emotions for others, so they drive that energy towards themselves. But with Aquarius/Pisces in the mix, a lot of his reaction tends to have an affect on others as well (like lashing out unexpectedly/the other person not even knowing why heās reacting that way)
It leads the person to shutting themselves down from others advice/input toĀ āimprove on themselvesā ā alot of the time itās self-containment.Ā Ā
Even if the other person wants to provide support/a new perspective, the Aquarius/Taurus has already shut themselves down and may just brush them off.Ā
So pettiness in this case isnāt so much of aĀ āchannellingā towards others but a blatant dismissal of others from a person whoās usually so receptive to everyone elseās problems instead. Itās like that contrast that throws people off.Ā
Taehyung on the other hand has so much self-containment (Capricorn galore) that it can be hard to even acknowledge these emotions/part of himself at all.
When he does, and if he doesā he often just sees it in a simplistic light likeĀ āoh itās just competitivenessā (Aries Moon) instead of any deeper emotions.
Thereās so much forward moving energy (Cardinal) that he can barely even think of himself as a petty person. And even if he is, he has so much of that forward-moving energy to overcome it that it doesnāt pose as much of a problem as Jungkookās diddly daddling does (Libra Venus).
Taehyung kind of justā acknowledges a problem and then work to get over it. The dismissal of help from others is a bigger problem than Hoseok (same affect thoughā brush people off sometimes but with more of aĀ ādonāt worry about me I donāt want to burden youā kind of deal)Ā
He acknowledges a lot of his pitfalls out of anyone in Bangtan, and in that sense he grows the most from internal self-improvement and self-empowerment.Ā
He strengthen his own internal character basically. His integrity and his own persons is something he constantly work hard on in order to manifest it externally/use it to help others as well.
So in terms of pettiness, unless itās just him feeling kind of sulky/baby-like he sees it as just one of his pitfalls and then he overcomes it. (Capricorn Mars)
Thatās my opinion on BTS and Pettiness!!!Ā š This was super fun to do!!Ā š Thank you for dropping by and asking!Ā š Good luck with work? Friday is soon so youāll hopefully be off this weekend right??Ā šš
By the way more than half of the team is petty which is pretty hilariousĀ š although theyāre petty in different ways, it makes them look like children sometimes which is always entertaining to watch. The manito run episode in particular. I love the chaos.Ā Ā
EDIT: Another thing about Namjoon-Ā he likes to goĀ āew donāt do thatā and then he does it himself. What kind of hypocrisy???Ā (i love him)Ā
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