#mariselsa

A conversation about this before it turns into a discussion beyond what I'm seeing in my social circle.

The look of Queen Disa from the "Frozen Podcast" was recently revealed, and due to her interaction with Elsa in it, a new shipp is being born in the Frozen fandom: Elsa + Queen Disa.

I haven't watched the entire podcast yet, but I've seen some analyzes and in fact Elsa and Disa have a lot of interesting scenes: they start off having problems with each other because of their thoughts about magic and technology, they eventually end up helping each other (especially Disa helps Elsa), and in the end they really become friends, promising a new moment for them to meet. It's almost like "enemies to lovers".

And because Elsa + Honeymaren is the current shipp, it is obviously leading to a certain principle of rivalry. And a lot of people jumped on the theory that Elsa is a lesbian because of Elsa + Honeymaren, and now we have a new girl to steal some of the spotlight.

I went through this myself in "Frozen 2" with the appearance of Elsa + Honeymaren to the detriment of Elsa + Marisol. As I said before, I had certain problems with "Frozen 2" at the beginning: I hated the separation of the sisters and that Marisol was technically replaced by Honeymaren. It took me a while to understand "Frozen 2" and accept ElsaMaren, and especially to understand that Honeymaren is the mainstream version of Marisol, the version that Disney could take to the cinema.

And so today we have an absence of the Northuldra tribe in material that precisely addresses the Enchanted Forest, and in Honeymaren's place we have Queen Disa who is appearing on the "Frozen Podcast" alongside her sisters.

A few days ago I made a post talking about the possibility that in “Frozen 3” instead of having an approximation of Elsa with Honeymaren, there would be an approximation of Elsa with an original woman, a more mainstream character and free for Disney to use in merchandising. And therefore be different from a woman linked to a tribe that exists in real life and that perhaps has some control over her image, as is perhaps the case with Honeymaren. And now we have Queen Disa.

I really don't believe that Queen Disa is in "Frozen 3", although a podcast released close to the franchise's anniversary is more mainstream than a book or a comic, I still don't think it's relevant enough to be the gateway to a character that it will be in a film... but I could be wrong, I never rule anything out.

But unlike my initial problem with Honeymaren, I don't intend to create any resistance to the possibility of a new woman for Elsa. As long as it's a woman I have no problem.

And one last text about Elsa + Queen Disa vs Elsa + Honeymaren. Queen Disa and Honeymaren are almost opposites:

Disa seems to be much more extroverted while Honeymaren has already demonstrated that she has some problems speaking in public (Disney Magic Kingdoms).

Disa is a book girl, Honeymaren is a warrior.

Disa is knowledgeable in technology while Honeymaren has some knowledge in magic.

Disa is the girl of the city and modernity while Honeymaren is the girl of the forest and traditions.

(I find this name too long, wasn’t only Maren good enough? Anyway...)

I know I know, the ship bar is REALLY high and we can’t stand it. Even if we ship Elsa with Anna, or Marisol... I mean, there will finally be a canon female character who interacts with Elsa. And WHAT an interaction!

They could let Elsa staying with the young boy, or maybe the both of them... no. They decided to let her be with the girl. Alone. Only the two of them. Sitting by the fire. At night. Sitting next to each other. Letting the girl touching Idina’s shawl. The shawl of Elsa’s mother.

elsa can’t stop thinking about marisol the entire way to eldora. she describes marisol herself and her name both as beautiful. they become incredibly fast friends and admire and appreciate each other. they hold hands and hug constantly. they make each other happy, say they’re going to miss each other, and promise to meet again as soon as possible. i love them.

A/N: In response to a question about how Ingrid would feel about having Marisol or Blue Dress Lady as a rival. Went a smidge longer than expected. @ahallister

Anna was surprised to find Marisol in the royal library. It was a beautiful, sunny day -- not nearly as sunny as Eldora, of course -- and she thought Marisol would want more than the shafts of light illuminating the dust motes in the air.

Marisol's dark eyes crinkled as she raised them from the book of recent Arendelle history she'd been reading. "Princess Anna! I'm so glad you're here. I'd been meaning to talk with you."

"Oh, just 'Anna', please, Your Majesty." She pulled up a hard-backed chair to face the armchair Marisol was curled up in.

"Then I must be 'just Marisol' to you."

"Of course." Anna leaned forward, her elbows on her knees. "So, what's up?" To Marisol's blank look she expanded, "What is it you wanted to talk to me about?"

Instead of answering, Marisol closed her book, set it aside, then fiddled with one of the tiny mirrors on the sleeve of her garment. At last she looked up again and said, "Anna? I have a question I'd prefer not to ask. It may give offence. I am a stranger to your ways."

"What is it?" Anna gently asked.

"Do the... Do the people of Arendelle keep slaves?"

"WHAT?" Anna sat bolt upright. "What happened? Was someone being mistreated? Was someone being hurt? Who did this? Where did this happen? Because I swear to God -- oh, the answer's no, by the way -- I swear to God if anything --"

"No, nothing like that!" interposed Marisol.

Anna sighed with relief. "Oh, thank God."

"Yes, praise be upon Him."

"But why do you ask?"

“There’s a woman who attends on Elsa. A servant, but not a servant. More familiar, but more subservient. She’s… I don’t speak enough Arendellan to say any better.”

Anna pondered. “Straight black hair? Very quiet?”

“Yes, I suppose.”

Anna laughed with relief. “Oh, that’s Ingrid.”

“And what is she to Elsa?”

“Well…” Anna shrugged. “Officially she’s Elsa’s amanuensis.”

“That is a Greek word?” asked Marisol. Anna nodded. “She is a… secretary?”

“And assistant, and lady’s maid, and whatever. Basically, she’s Elsa’s right hand.”

“Well, she wouldn’t want to be her left hand,” said Marisol, laughing.

Anna chuckled, then said, “I don’t get it.”

“It doesn’t matter.” Marisol thought for a moment. “You said ‘officially’?”

“She and Elsa are friends. Have been, for a while.”

“Good friends?”

“Mm-hm.”

“Very good friends?”

“... yeah… “

Marisol’s nut-brown eyes met Anna’s sea-coloured ones.

“Good friends the way Elsa and I are becoming good friends?”

“... yyyyyyeah… “ conceded Anna.

Marisol looked down, then up at Anna again, her brows slightly furrowed. “Then she is a rival.”

“You know what? I’m gonna say ‘no’ to that,” said Anna.

Marisol tilted her head. “Did they have a falling out? They seem comfortable with each other.”

Anna waved her hands. “No, nothing like that.” She leaned back in her chair. “Ingrid is… different.”

“I should imagine so, to win Elsa’s affection.”

“No, differently different. She’s…” Anna gathered her thoughts. “She doesn’t get jealous like that. Ingrid is 110% devoted to Elsa.”

Marisol pursed her lips. “I thought you couldn’t have more than one-hundred per cent.”

“Then she’s borrowing the extra ten percent from somewhere. Anyway, all she wants is to have the best for Elsa. So if she thinks Elsa will be happier with a beautiful, exotic, gracious queen than a… than an Ingrid, she’ll want Elsa to be with you, not with her. I mean, a queen is a much more appropriate match for Elsa than a servant, or her sis-- or anyone else inappropriate.”

Marisol tilted her head again. Gosh, that’s cute, thought Anna. “She won’t object?” asked Marisol.

“She’d probably help. In fact, you should ask her what stuff Elsa likes.”

Marisol’s eyes widened. “You mean, what Elsa likes to… do? And have done?”

Anna blushed. “I meant like what chocolates and flowers she likes, and stuff.” She thought. “Come to think of it… oh, never mind.”

“Excellent.”

“Although… “

“Although what?” asked Marisol.

“As long as Ingrid believes you’re good for Elsa, and make her happy, she’ll be behind you one-hundred and ten… she’ll be behind you completely. But if she thinks you make Elsa unhappy, or that you’re bad for her… “ Anna trailed off, fiddling with her fingers.

“She’ll do what?”

“Honestly, I don’t know. But sometimes Ingrid can be, you know, intense.”

“Intense?”

Anna raised an eyebrow. “Intense.”

Marisol nodded. “You think she’d be protective.”

“I know it. I have no idea what she’d do, but she’d do it.”

Marisol chuckled uneasily. “I would’ve thought it would be the sister’s place to be protective and suspicious.”

“What, me?” Anna smiled. “I’m just Anna. I’m not subtle and clever like Elsa, or quiet and patient like Ingrid. I bumble along, trying to do the right thing and not knock stuff over. Folks say I can be naive, and I can’t really argue with that. I just figure you’re a nice person, and you and Elsa look happy together, and I don’t have to worry about you doing anything to hurt my sister.”

Marisol smiled with relief.

Anna smiled back. “Of course,” she added, “if I did figure someone was hurting my sister, I’d fucking end them.”

Marisol was basically responsible for popularizing the theory of Elsa being a lesbian, and was the reason I joined the franchise. So abandoning MarisElsa is really difficult, so much so that I already started to discredit Honeymaren when I realized that she is Marisol's replacement.

I don't think this headcanon will be canon in "Frozen 3" or in the extra materials, mainly because of some things that happened: the name of Eldora, Marisol's kingdom, being changed in an official adaptation of part of "A Warm Welcome"; the creation of Princess Adelaide and what Elsa's official reunion with Marisol was like after the book. But it's still a great headcanon and considering how Elsa reacted to Disa's words in the podcast and what the Snow Queen said in "Polar Nights" I still find it hard to believe that she's inexperienced in romance.

I have some headcanons with Elsa and I want her to be confirmed in a relationship with Honeymaren, but like I said she's a single woman and she has eyes, and I see where those eyes look, and also how those looks are returned.

I don't consider myself a multishipper because they don't really conflict (although I've made versus fanfics), but I can define things well:

ELSA + MARISOL - the impossible dream shipp

ELSA + TIANA - the crossover ship

ELSA + HONEYMAREN - the canon shipp

ELSA + DISA - the enemies to lovers shipp

In fact, I consider myself a disciple of Anna herself 😉