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People have been saying that Twitter stans faked proof to debunk the claims. An example is people saying Op 1 deleted and said they lied because they’re a Lucas anti. This is completely false. They never said that and the account is still up.

i-fans fake proof to debunk op’s statements

Another thread on i-fans fake proof

edit: another thread debunking i-fans proof

Op 1’s evidence

Pictures: the finger one is the most sus because it doesn’t look like his finger. The 3 selfies, however, no fan was able to find where they came from. The only possible guess was that they were leaked from kakaotalk.

Audio: fans found that part of the audio could possibly be from bubble. However, there’s a slight change in tone and the second half of the audio is missing from bubble. (later it was pointed out that the audio message from op’s evidence is from before February 2020 which is when bubble opened).

Timeline: the alleged nights Op spent with Lucas did in fact coincide with the nights Lucas was in Seoul, just a very packed schedule.

Aug. 28th he just landed in Incheon from Dubai at 5-6pm and supposedly spent the night with her right after.

Sept. 9th he took a flight from Shanghai to Seoul, landed, spent the night with her, the day after took a direct flight to Dallas for SuperM concert.

All technically possible, but also technically could be fabricated to match his schedule perfectly as the second half of 2019, Lucas’ schedule was known to everybody due to SuperM and the and the amount of flight info.

The only part of op 1’s claim that we know is 100% false is that in the beginning of December he was in China despite her claims. There are receipts of Lucas being in Beijing for fan meetings.

Regarding the gaslighting, asking for money, and being rude to her there is no proof as the WeChat’s she shared are just messages of Lucas saying “I love you” and trying to meet up with her.

At this point 99% of the fandom in China still believed in him and many spent the night not sleeping to clear searches, battle antis, and so one. His group mates akgaes also spent the night shitting on him.

Tuesday 240821 most of the day was spent with Lumi’s still clearing searches and anti’s inventing new rumors which led to Lumi’s and different members akgaes fighting, but nothing big in comparison.

Jalapeño teasers were dropped and people were excited. There was also info that Ten and Lucas have booked flights for China on Sept 10th.

Then at 6pm, a new girl came out and the news was instantly shared by 10+ gossip accounts on Weibo, spreading the visibility.

The second Op is a Chinese girl claiming to have been contacted by him after a fansign (she provided receipts of her fansign participation) and supposedly met up in ShengYang.

Op 2 had no pictures, just a bunch of screenshots. She claimed they had sex with no protection and him lying saying he hasn't had sex in a year and similar stuff.

Most fans didn't believe her since she provided no pics and all the WeChat conversations were seen as not strong proof (they can be easily photoshopped).

Wednesday 250821 at 8pm the third girl posted on her weibo account (with no personal info), the final blow, with pictures.

She supposedly got his contact by sending him a message via airdrop once she found him on bluetooth during an offline event. They quickly added each other. They "dated" or more correctly they were friends with benefits for a period where she asked multiple times whether he was single, but supposedly the timing overlapped with the two previous girls, hence why the third girl decided to expose him, cause she felt cheated.

She accused him of cheating, badmouthing his members (they don’t work enough, one of them stole one of his fashion gig), not liking Keep Running (too much pressure from seniors).

Keep in mind that none of the above accusations are found in her shared screenshots as she said these are part of their conversations while drinking.

Op 3 provided 3 pictures: one of him sleeping (which many fans suspect to be a picture of him sleeping at the WayV dorm due to a matching sofa and what looks like Bella’s toy. however this was 'disproven' in one of the threads i linked above) and two pictures of him with drinks and cigarettes. His hairstyle in the last two pictures seemed fishy because it didn’t look like his hair at the end of 2019, however, it could have been his Moonwalk era hair.

While Op 1’s selcas could have been kakaotalk profile pics, Op 3’s pictures look 1) not photoshopped and 2) taken without him knowing.

At this point, Lucas’ big fan accounts broke down. Op 3’s pictures were the final blow.

Some fans still found the photos fishy and claimed it could have been the WayV staff selling their pics, which allegedly has happened before between staff and sasaengs, after 24 hours of radio silence and continuous rumors, his fancafe and most high profile fans gave up and believed the accusations. (I’ll explain why this is a big deal later)

A fancafe opened to replace the old one, however it is small and most are only sticking around to see this issue to the end.

Please note that his solo stans only believe that he did sleep around, no mentions of bad mouthing or his personality.

Lucas’ image among Chinese fans is definitely purer than what i-fans think of him. If i-fans think him being sexually active is nothing strange, for C-fans him sleeping and especially with fans, multiple at once, was too much to handle. Also many felt like at this point, regardless of whether he’s able to disprove the accusations, his image in China is ruined forever. SM not saying anything was too much to handle.

Tuesday 10pm onwards with his fancafe leaving and many big fans following, the rest of Lumis saw this as a sign that these big fans knew more than them and had some sort of proof from SM that the allegations were true. Rumors spread like fire among the fandom and may fans quit due to the fancafe quitting.

Fancafe quitting trended #3 on the Weibo main board. That single post had over half a million likes.

The rest of the night, Lucas trended with various hashtag, all on the main board, between 3 to 15 in terms of positions. The same day a TV presenter was ousted for r*pe.

One of WayV most famous sasaeng shared on Weibo that Lucas does have a habit of flirting back when you send him something via airdrop. This sort of backed the possibility of the third girl story of how she met Lucas.

The rest of the night we still had some small rumors spreading of people saying that he does flirt with fans, he does look like a fuck boy, he was already a player before debut and so on. However, this could just be people jumping on him.

Some WayV and almost all solo fans of the other members started to ask for his removal from the group. Many believe the accusations (since again, after 24 hours no solid debunking has been offered) while some others in any case think his career is done and his image will only tarnish the group.

250821 SM and Lucas’ response was finally shared. The apology was very SM. A letter acknowledging mistakes while being vague about what mistakes and mismanagement. Most fans took this as an admission that something is true, but no clue which accusations. It’s mostly seen as PR tactic to quiet things down and show the artist and the company attitude towards the scandal. All schedules were canceled for him and will go on hiatus for an undisclosed amount of time.

Lucas was unofficially dropped by Keep Running and the show is looking for a substitute and his brands have all hidden posts with him. This is a normal tactic by brands in case of uncertainty, but to save themselves backlash.

Op 1 came out with a second statement adding details about their relationship. The tone sounds like a scorned woman (she just found out about the others, felt cheated). She defines their period from July 2019 to Feb 2021. On and off relationship, trying to be friends but she felt used for sex. She added lots of details about him, of which we have no receipts but her own words.

He’s depicted as someone who would lose his virginity in a massage parlor in China, fight against gangsters to protect his bullied friend, criticizing tall women's bodies because they don’t look feminine and much much more. You can take a look at the translation above. This is her last post.

Fans shared that supposedly, among the oldest group of Lumis and fansites, they have identified her as a fellow fansite with sasaeng behaviour called DirectKill (keep in mind, no receipt, just seen as truth by most lumis after matching schedules, stories). She was previously attacked in 2019 by Lumis for her sasaeng behaviour (getting super close to him, following his flights, making a fuss on the plane), but now Lumis are seeing from another perspective. Her as a proud GF who wanted to flirt with his boy in front of everyone. It also made sense given the girl's social economic background (used to be a JK sasaeng who can afford gifting Rolex). It didn’t help that the girl also sold fanmerch to other fans and fans felt betrayed by him but also disgusted by her.

Fan’s reactions didn’t change much after this. Those who already believed that he was a scumbag, kept believing it. Those who believed it’s all fake, continued to believe it was fake. However, it did change the perception of those who were still on the fence as it added a lot of detail about his character. Keep in mind that there were tons of other rumors coming out, not from girls, but random sources (fake porn video, his family being poor and how he’s an ungrateful son because he spends money on himself and not his family, SM pushing him at the expense of other members, having a gay lover, etc).

Many of those rumors were deleted after, but kept being shared privately. International fans also started to turn against him.

Fourth Girl accusation On Friday/Saturday, a water sports coach (using her personal account, with pictures of her normal life) sent a post defending Lucas personality describing him positively, as she was his instructor during the Hainan trip he had with WinWin. A fourth girl came out to say that Lucas was flirting with her while flirting with that coach (the coach denies it). She also attached some WeChat screenshots to prove that they know each other. The text per se contains mostly just flirty conversation and very random inspirational speeches.

The fourth girl is angry and wants him out of the group. She went on saying that he wanted to gift her a cat (there was a paparazzi taken video of Lucas and his manager buying a white cat) but she refused and now the cat is managed by WinWin in Beijing. She also claimed he sent her yesterday (hence, after the apology) a message saying she was his favourite (keep in mind, no receipt, just her answering in a comment). She claims that there must be more girls out there and many just don’t want the attention, but she came out when she saw the Coach post and realized he was flirting back to back with both of them (further denied by the coach).

In the end, currently, none of the statements by all 4 op’s have actually been fully debunked.

Extra: This reddit user is a native cantonese speaker and explained why they believe the screenshots of Lucas’ messages are real. I highly recommend reading as it’s very interesting.

Why His FanCafe/CBar Closing Is A Big Deal

Chinese fan bases usually have insider information that international fans do not have because they’re connected to the staff/company. This is why a lot (not all, but a lot) of Weibo rumors about idols tend to be true. (example: when jessica left snsd there were weibo rumors about it before her departure was officially announced).

C-Fanbases usually stick with their idol through anything. I think even Kris Wu’s fan base defended him until he was detained.

K-Fans and V-Fans also usually have more info and know more about the idols.

C-Fans, K-Fans, and V-Fans are all against Lucas and his cbar closed down almost immediately. Why is that?

(A translated post on twitter on what an ex-Lumis said about Lucas) (believe it if you want to believe it as we don’t know if the translation is accurate and if op is telling the truth or not)

edit: tweet translating weibo post about LucasBar's poor inner management. (believe it if you wanna believe it as we don't know if weibo op is telling the truth and if twt user translated it correctly). + update

Understanding C-Ent

First, the Cpop industry’s attitude towards celebrities with bad moral character usually end up getting blacklisted. His domestic fanbase has already left and weibo/domestic opinion is against him.

Second, lots of “scandals” are coming out in China lately. The government is looking into punishing excessive hatred online and fanwars. Lots of accounts will either be purged or lay low due to this.

There is the Hong Kong issue happening right now and him being from Hong Kong could have played a factor in his takedown as well. The CCP is “cleansing” it’s entertainment industry right now and investigating the loyalties of TW/HK entertainers.

Third, this twitter user explained how C-Ent works.

If you don’t wanna read the whole thread, even though I highly recommend it, they basically say that it’s possible that both Lucas could have done stupid/bad things and WayV/SM’s competitors could’ve deliberately dug this up and paid involved parties to expose this as a form of sabotage.

In C-Ent, if you are competition, your closest skeletons will be revealed and your fandom’s defense will be further criticized.

As a public figure in C-Ent, there’s almost zero tolerance for skeletons or dirt. It doesn’t matter how young you were/are. It’s all about the public’s perception of you. It’s about your marketability and it’s about your backers. SM artist will never have powerful Chinese backers that can protect them from having their dirt dug up and exposed as a market competition in C-Ent.

SM does not know how C-Ent works and this shows it.

edit: I’m not sure what to title this tweet, but the same user I linked in point 3 made another thread about how wanting Lucas out because he’ll be blacklisted and that’ll impact WayV is kinda ??? It talks about the CCP and stuff.

What Will Happen To WayV & Lucas?

cr: a few reddit comments

Lucas was casted on Keep Running because he was spotted during Knowing Bros and got recommended by SK producers. Him being on Keep Running was the link between WayV and China.

When WayV first arrived in China, they were partnered up with Youku (of Alibaba, who also bought SM shares) hence they had ‘Dream Plan’ as a show. Youku, however, had a bit of a struggle and overall they too had their own idol group to promote and it seems like their relationship just died down over time.

Keep Running had Lucas auditioning in early 2019 due being recommended by the Korean production team after seeing him on Knowing Bros (both him and Yuqi). In the end, they signed a contract packing Keep Running and some other shows (the year end show and some one episode cameo). The first season went well and Lucas was kept on the show despite him not being present in 2020. Zhejiang TV really liked him. His 2021 performance further proved the director and the staff he was the right choice.

Lucas’ popularity and as a consequence his brand deals, all come from the exposure on Keep Running. Kick Back was heavily promoted by Keep Running.

Label V failed to find another partner like Zhejiang TV. They tried with WinWin in 2019 on a Mango TV variety show, but that show was brand new unlike Keep Running and failed to take off thus was canceled after one season halting further discussions with the TV station.

This led to the situation in 2021 when you see this imbalance and over dependence on Lucas’ Keep Running gig.

Basically, Lucas’ Keep Running gig served as the only platform WayV had in China.

However, Lucas staying in the group would lead to quite a few problems.

With Lucas’ losing his fanbase and his skeletons being out, it would drag down the group as a whole. WayV has barely established themselves in China.

Lucas is the most well known member after Ten and WinWin. However, after these accusations, he is left with an unlikeable impression on the general public. This can cost the group’s reputation big time. Remember, WayV’s main target is China and this situation will affect the Chinese fandom way more than the Korean or international fandom.

The only way for WayV to survive in China is by having him say goodbye.

This also puts a ‘what will happen’ on the rumors about a new WayV album and how the members were set to head back to China as well as NCT 2021.

If Lucas didn’t sleep with the girls, the joggling between 3 girls during the period in different countries is enough to crush his career in China. It’s doubtful he’d be able to come back as an idol in China even if he apologized. It’s generally accepted that male idols cannot date or sleep around unless they reach Luhan (former exo member) level of success. Lucas’ fandom is not big enough and can’t survive with his remaining fans plus it’d be hard to attract new fans with this image.

WayV will not stand a chance if SM decides to stand by Lucas. Fans might probably only be satisfied if he's left on permanent hiatus like Super Junior’s former member Kangin or his permanent departure from the group.

Lucas is very famous internationally and SM is known for not kicking idols out (look at Super Junior for example). It’s possible for the company to put him on hiatus or keep him in NCT and just take him out of WayV. They could use him in the future for other audiences. However, their main target is Asia and Korea and China hate Lucas right now. He lost his fans there so it's difficult to say what would happen if they kept him.

(side note: China remembers these things for a very long time so they won’t let go of this issue).

Rumors

(I can’t find the post again) There is a rumor on weibo by someone who is known to be an ‘insider’ and often says things about SM that usually end up being true. They stated that the company is in the talks to kick him out.

There is another rumor that WayV’s comeback in September and NCT 2021 have all halted for now. Lucas’ schedules stopped for half a year, and he might leave WayV. (see here)

Take all rumors with a grain of salt.

Currently, things are not dying down in China and other members are slowly being caught up in the controversy.

A post on weibo claims that Lucas demanded his fans to say mean things about the other WayV members on Lysn.

There are sasaeng rumors spreading about how there was a fight in the WayV dorm and a shoe was thrown out the window. A fan claimed Hendery had a long bruise on the bottom of his neck at the press conference, however on the pictures they attached you couldn’t quite see a bruise. YangYang and Hendery have changed their bubble picture from a group photo to a photo of themself. (remember: these are sasaeng rumors, so take them with a grain of salt and believe what you want to believe).

edit: an anon told me that the yy rumor of spreading hate is fake. it came from yy fanpicks twitter (who changed to multiple usernames) and was known for a lot of anti shit including other group members. seconds after it was posted, people yelled at them for starting fake stuff and the post was taken down and the account deactivated.

As for Hendery, it could have been allergies as he was seen scratching the area during the press conference.

Some old VLives are being overanalyzed to show that members, like Ten, knew what was going on and it’s catching heat. Lucas fans allegedly got caught faking stories of WinWin and it’s causing a lot of hate. People are also digging up on Lucas’ family. (His brother allegedly shows pro-HK sentiments and that would end him over there).

(i can't add another picture lmao so pretend the red divider is here)

This is all I have so far on Lucas’ situation. If more things happen, I might make another post. If you read this entire thing, I applaud you. This was 9 pages on google docs.

Thank you for reading and please remember I am not trying to spread hate or anything. I’m just trying to provide insight on what’s going on. This post does not include my personal opinions on what’s going on.

Most of this information came from reddit. The entire thread is filled with mature conversations and level headed, open minded people. The comments I used for this post were not opinion pieces, but comments giving insight on China/C-Ent that we might not be aware of.

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