The three guarantees that you have stepped into destieheller shit:
Hates John
Dean is bi
Sam negativity
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The three guarantees that you have stepped into destieheller shit:
Hates John
Dean is bi
Sam negativity

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âYou didnât even see them since âday one,â actually. Because that was never on the show.â - Mary manipulated and lied to John for their whole relationship pre-HLV. Thatâs why the REVEAL that she was an assassin was a BIG DEAL... because John DIDNâT KNOW... because she had been LYING, and thatâs a CANON part of the show. Oh, and if weâre only allowed to call something canon if we actually see it, then guess what isnât canon? Thatâs right! Your guysâ whole argument about Sherlolly being canon is based on an assumption that something happened between them off-screen between the ily and the montage. So apparently, youâre allowed to totally make up shit and call it canon, but when we discuss something that we KNOW FOR SURE happened off-screen, itâs not canon because we didnât see it?
âHe more than likely fucked another woman off-screen.â Oh, so we canât talk about Mary canonically being a liar, but you get to make totally baseless assumptions about what John does off-screen in order to support your biases? What the actual fuck, talk about double standards?!? What happened to âIt didnât happen on the show! You tjlcers just make shit up!âÂ
âWhen you say you forgive someone and youâre staying married, you stick with it.â When did John ever go back on his word? He told her from the get-go that he was still angry she tried to kill his best friend - which is totally fucking understandable. Unlike her, he actually made an effort to fix things between them. It was your darling angel MARY who chose to continue keeping secrets. MARY was the cause of their marriage problems in S4, not John. JOHN was the one who reminded her that couples are supposed to talk things out. JOHN was the one who chased her down with Sherlockâs help after she fled. Â
âthough asshole John did abandon Mary for months during her pregnancy.â How do you know? iT dIdNât HaPpEn On ScReEn!! Oh - you know because of the âmonths of silence" line? You used dialogue to fill in the timeline gaps?! Oh, are you suddenly familiar with the concept? And btw, we still have no idea what happened in those months. We donât know if that line meant John had moved out, or if they just hadnât talked about it yet. But sure, go ahead and call him a jerk because of your headcanon. Also, are we forgetting who actually, canonically DID abandon her family in S4, including a newborn infant? Yeah, it was Mary. I donât see you throwing a fit about her ditching her responsibilities (though we all know how much youâd shit on John if heâd been the one to run away). But no, go ahead and call him an asshole for âabandoningâ Mary. Yeah, what a jerk, how dare he spend some time alone after finding out his wife has been lying to him since they met, has killed god knows how many people, and tried to murder his best friend in cold blood.Â
And yeah, John definitely isnât innocent himself. He texted another woman and felt immensely guilty afterwards (unlike the zero remorse we saw from Mary when her past was revealed). And yes, he has anger/ violence issues. Unlike you, Iâm not going to make excuses for him just because I like John. John isnât perfect. But he doesnât deserve to fucking die or be called âtrash.â
Because if heâs âtrash,â then guess who else is trash? Mary.
Both of them are very flawed and have made bad decisions during their marriage. You donât get to call one of them trash while upholding the other as a saint. If youâre forgetting, Mary is a LIAR, a paid KILLER, tried to MURDER Sherlock TWICE, and fucking ABANDONED her infant to go kill and play secret agent. But here you are acting as if none of that happened, and Mary is just some poor, faultless victim here.Â
If a literal assassin deserves nuance when analyzing her immoral actions, why doesnât John deserve it too? Iâll tell you why. Itâs because Mary is your fave and can therefore do no wrong. John is... John, and youâll use any excuse to hate him because youâre so blinded by your biases you donât know how to look at anything objectively.
Stop reading weak metas and start watching Sherlock if you want to talk about these characters, you pathetic twat.
Oh, crap. (Sigh) I'm the same anon who just ranted about John. I feel terrible now, realizing it sounded like I was accusing those authors of the stories I mentioned of mistreating the character. They absolutely didn't! They showed John the love he deserves and made me reflect on other stories I'd read. My apologies!! I'll shut up now...
Hi Nonny! *hugs*
I did receive the first half of this ask, but after a lot of thought, Iâve decided to not post it, given that it seems you genuinely feel like you are worried you worded the ask in a terribly awful way, and I myself know that you were posting out of annoyance with S4, so rather than stir up a pot Iâve no energy to deal with, I going to reword your ask below and answer it here.
Everyone else, essentially, the Nonny is wondering why, in their ask that precedes this one, authors choose to make John an asshole like he was in S4, or goes back to Mary, or is homophobic, rather than the John we know and love, the loyal hero he is and the man who loves Sherlock. For that I answer:Â
Nonny, I honestly do feel your sentiments on it, because characterization is super important for me to really get into a fanfic, and because I donât read John that way at all either. To me, it feels like some people hate John, which makes no sense to me at all, because how one can be a Johnlocker and hate John?*shrugs* THAT SAID, there are people who do like that reading of his character and therefore thereâs going to always be space for it, but no one is forcing me to read those stories at all, so I donât *shrugs*. It has been frustrating when I get far into them and then Johnâs character does a complete 180 to this John, but itâs rare.
Writers are allowed to write whatever and however they want, so really I canât condemn them at all. I mean I read all the characters differently than other people do, and some people agree with me while others donât, and thatâs okay. Basically, the rule has always been âDonât Like, Donât Readâ and leave it at that, and itâs what I do whenever I read a fic Iâm not getting into. I have read plenty of fic where I ânopeâ out of it in the middle, Mark it as Read, and move on.Â
More likely than not, I usually rec fics in MY personal lists (anything also tagged with âto readâ means I havenât read them yet) have John and Sherlock relatively in-character to my liking, anyway, LOL, so do feel free to check out my fic rec lists here :)
Anyway, long-short of it, the authors are writing these stories, for free, because they love the characters in the way they do, and they have their own ways of interpreting them. Writers do the stories for themselves, and if people like it, all the more bonus! I respect fan fic authors greatly, even the ones I donât like the stories of, because writing is not easy, and you canât please everyone but, câest la vie.Â
Youâre allowed, Nonny, to not like what you are reading, and thatâs okay. <3
All you need to know about destiehellers and how they âwatchâ the show.
THEIR opinion is the only one that matters. Canon? What is canon?
THEY are the only ones that use âteam free willâ
WE are wrong to like John Winchester
WE are wrong to think Dean is straight
Ok... what?Â
First of all barriss, absolutely no one is telling you that youâre not allowed to enjoy Mollyâs character or praise her for being good friend and godmother - this person is only saying you donât need to unnecessarily bash other characters while youâre doing it. But of course, you sherlollians wonât miss a chance to twist johnlockersâ words to make them look sexist - it is your favorite hobby after all. You just assumed that because that person was a johnlocker, they MUST be a misogynist out to disregard Molly, because you ... ah, how do I phrase it... because your âhate is THAT engraved in youâ and âbeing objective is too much to ask from some of yaâll.âÂ
Second, the person is calling out your hypocrisy of praising one character and then right away hating on another - completely unnecessarily, may i add. The post wasn't even about John. It was totally possible for you to praise Molly here without shitting on John. But your response to this callout was to... lecture them about character hate? Right, because itâs okay for you to piss on John in every other breath but god forbid a johnlocker utter a peep about any female character. (Plus, this person didnât even say anything bad about any of the women. You literally just pretended that they did, like wtf?)Â
Third, if Sherlock and John are both such assholes, why do you ship them with the women you supposedly love so much? If theyâre so awful, donât you want better for Molly and Mary?... Hm?... *crickets chirping*Â
Oh, and still waiting on that heavily researched meta! But in the meantime, barriss, we thought you might enjoy these receipts of you guys replacing John with female characters, degrading him, or removing him from the narrative entirely. Goes to show that - whether or not you want to admit it - deep down you know that kicking John out of the picture is the only way you can make more room for your ships.Â

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Here youâll see Sherlollians doing everything from wishing John would betray Sherlock, to headcanoning about Molly taking over his role in Sherlockâs life (talk about character erasure), to wishing other characters would be violent towards him, or wishing he would DIE.
These people have always hated John and felt threatened by him because Sherlock loves him more than anyone - and they know it. And in S4 they were thrilled to finally have an excuse for all that hatred. Thatâs why they literally canât shut up about the morgue scene. For a group that claims to be all about love and sunshine and positivity and turning lemons into lemonade, they sure canât seem to shut the fuck up about a character they hate so much.
But then on the flip side, no one but them is allowed to touch Molly Hooper, even if what we have to say about her is in no way hateful at all. They get so personally offended when anyone other than them has an opinion about Molly. No, not a bad opinion necessarily - just an opinion. If we dislike her, weâre misogynists. If we are totally neutral towards her, weâre erasing/discarding her. If we pity her, weâre still misogynists. Heck, weâre not even allowed to like her because then itâs obviously âfake.â We get attacked for saying literally anything at all about her, even when itâs harmless. But LORD just IMAGINE if some of those above screenshots were things johnlockers said about Molly. BOY would sherlollians be foaming at the mouth and sharpening their pitchforks. Weâd be called sexist assholes for calling her story boring, blatantly replacing her with a male character, calling her a traitor, and wanting her to be beaten up or literally DIE. But they can say whatever they want about John because #doublestandards and âSherlollians are love uwu.â
Johnlockers never say that sort of crap about Molly. Yes, we will criticize her sometimes and talk about her poorly written arc because guess what? Thatâs not a fucking crime! But god, if we dare make a post about her that isnât completely worshipful, we get assaulted with cries of âKeep your filthy hands off our girl!â âStop the character hate!â
Stop the character hate? Youâre really going to say that to us?Â
âI have some points Iâd like to put forward to Johnlockers after watching the recent episode of Sherlock.â
âJohn Watson is not a good person.â Yeah, he wasnât in S4. We know that. And Mary also wasnât a good person is Season⊠well⊠all the ones sheâs in.
âYes he loves Mary and Rosie but not enough to resist the temptations of a smiling woman on a busâ Yes, and Mary loves John but not enough to resist trying to kill Sherlock twice to protect her own lying ass instead of remembering how much it destroyed her husband to see Sherlock die the first time. And Mary loves Rosie but not enough to uhh⊠raise her instead of running away.
âAfter watching TST I truly believe that John does not deserve Sherlock Holmesâ OkayâŠâŠ and? Were you expecting anyone to read this and think âoh shit ur right! Imma just delete my blog and jump off a cliff right now thanks so much for opening my eyes!â Do you not think we watched the same episode and had our own discussions about what John did? If you respect Johnlockers so much, why did you feel the need to say this to them instead of just posting about this topic while staying in your own lane? What was the point of this? Do you really think your ideas are so groundbreaking you have come in our tag and enlighten with them?Â
And let me ask you, what if a Johnlocker came into your tags and said âHey sherlollians, I respect you so much but I just wanna put something out there to you guys: Molly is a terrible person and hereâs why. Just my opinion, okay carry on.â How would you take that?Â
We know this post has already been featured in our John hate compilation, but this particular post deserves some extra attention.Â
We see a number of whacky things here:
1. First, let me ask: why is John betraying Sherlock a good story to tell? Yes, it hasnât ever been done before. But why do they think itâs a story that should be told? These men and their ridiculous adventures have survived centuries because people love their dynamic, their partnership. Itâs not about the cases. There are good crime stories everywhere. Itâs about them. Why do they want to destroy that? (Me thinks they feel a bit threatened by how much Sherlock loves John... itâd be a shame if someone were to.... ruin their relationship...)
2. Love how they put âbreakâ in quotations. They probably typed it and were like âoh wait. That sounds too gay.... better put it in quotes.â Lmao
3. John has no interesting back story??? Are you kidding me? Being a doctor who treats wounded people in a foreign war zone isnât interesting? Being a soldier who got shot and invalided isnât interesting? Being an ex-army doctor with an adrenaline addiction isnât interesting? Get the fuck outa here. Thereâs SO much material there. Just admit that you hate John and wouldnât give a shit about his story even if it was the most complex and interesting thing in the world.Â
4. So apparently, this kind of reveal would âenrichâ John a lot since he has âno backstory.â Interesting. Isnât that what a ton of Johnlockers said about Mary after S3? Mary didnât have any backstory until HLV, which opened up a whole world of possibilities. Given the parallels between her and Sebastian Moran and that sheâd already tried to kill Sherlock, we thought it was possible that she is/was working for Moriarty. How fascinating would that be? It would add an actual purpose to all the shit from HLV. Otherwise, what was the point, if they were just gonna have a normal marriage until her plot device death. Our version objectively made a lot more sense and made Mary a much more interesting character. Oh, but of course, we only wanted her to be a baddie because weâre sexist, right? And yaâll wanting John Watson of all people to be bad when thereâs NOTHING to back it up has everything to do with ââenrichingââ him and nothing to do with wanting to remove him from the picture, right?Â
5. So let me get this straight.... if a character (supposedly) has no back story that we know of, thatâs a good reason to turn them into a traitor? Because their character could âenrichâ from it? Even if it goes against everything we know about them? Okay... so who else do we know of in the show who has absolutely no backstory whatsoever, who we know nearly nothing about, who Sherlock trusts and works with (and so would be in a good position to betray him), and who weâd never guess was up to anything shady based on what weâve seen so far... Molly Hooper? Interesting! But of course, if we suggested the possibility of Molly betraying Sherlock just for the sake of making her more interesting, we would be misogynists, wouldnât we?Â