#founder era

Separation between on what's good and bad don't need to be justified by grown adults. They did not have to pull that line and tell everyone else how they should live their lives outside from the fact that they are leaders or have a leadership complex, {idk if that's even a thing but it is now!}.

So when people critic their actions and every other leader in that universe, I just expect some little bit of self-awareness that some level of protection, needed them to be ignorant of everyone else's comfort.

Madara did not need to change anyone for his own version of peace, Tobirama did not need to feel included in everyone's lives just because they were around him, Hashirama did not need to let everyone feel included to earn his trust. But they were leaders of their own right, and I think Kishi did a great job for not toning their actions down, just who would get hurt because of it. Which, of course, meant one of them needed to be the bad guy, and Madara actually involved everyone just like he wanted… which ultimately led him to be defeated against said everyone.

Tobirama to Uchihas, Hashi with anyone with a grudge against his ambition, hope you get what I'm going for. They are all assholes.

And I know! I know every fan respectively in retrospective of the universe they live in benefiting if everyone went for what they wanted or what they were aiming to protect BUT! If you want to be critical about this, they were also people who were trying to prove what is good and what is bad. We ourselves live with each other based on our judgements on one another. There by, if they are allowed to judge, the people they wished to protect and call even with, also need to be given a chance to judge. It is in our nature to judge.

You can be critical about their actions, but my unpopular opinion, {or my thoughts at least}, ultimately is I know they were, and a bit too much given they had their chance to be in control over the people... which ultimately led them to be assholes.