Aug 16, 2025
Elementary | 2x15 Corpse de Ballet
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Elementary | 2x15 Corpse de Ballet
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is joan the oldest or Oren?
Hi anon,
The closest thing to an answer to your question is what Joan tells Sherlock about her family in 2x15: that her father began showing symptoms of schizophrenia when her mother was pregnant with her, and they divorced a few months after Joan was born. Mary married Henry Watson when Joan was three, and “we all took his name.” To me, that “all” implies more than two people, and that all of them had a different last name before then. While it’s possible that Mary was pregnant again after Joan (and in that case it’s not entirely clear who might be Oren’s biological father, divorce & marriage timing notwithstanding) my sense from what she says is that Oren was born first, before their father got sick.
beanarie replied to your post:beanarie replied to your post: Am I the only one...
ok no. see, here’s the show doing that thing where they drum up some sort of conflict to force a revelation later. if sh hadn’t told j the case was pointless, she wouldn’t have piqued his interest when she stood her ground, & then no backstory.
...are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? I don't know how to parse "ok no."
But either way, I'm going to assert that Doylistic explanations don't resolve Watsonian problems. :-P
I can see the writerly logic in setting up that conflict (I don't think it was necessary, but I can see what tools they were using). However, knowing what goals the writers had doesn't make me parse it as in-character.
beanarie replied to your post: Am I the only one who thought it weirdly out of...
they framed it as him thinking it was a waste of time because hardcore street homeless disappear and reappear a LOT (which is accurate), not because it wasn’t worth the effort. also we know he always hates it when joan does her own thing.
Yeah, I remember. But I'm not seeing a clear distinction between "waste of time" and "not worth the effort," and I'd think he'd be well aware that "disappear and reappear a lot" can have ample overlap with "bad things happening to someone," even as it makes it harder to get anyone to spend time on your suspicion that something bad has happened to someone. I can see him declining to chase down every missing homeless man in the city, but I have a much harder time seeing him turning down a specific appeal, based on a specific concern, made directly to him. By extension, I woulda thought that he'd be similarly sympathetic to appeals made directly to Watson.
But if it's just a matter of him hating it when Watson does her own thing... *stomps on Holmes's foot HARD*
Am I the only one who thought it weirdly out of character for Sherlock to protest Joan working the Frebeaux case?
When he thinks someone is beneath his notice or time, it tends to be people with money and power, not people who are already getting short shrift. If anything, he tends to be more conscientious with people who are societally vulnerable.
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i just started thinking about joan in this episode and i legitimately started tearing up
i don't do that, ever
joan is getting to do things
significant things
things involving emotions
other people showing her appreciation
oh my god
In the promo for 2x15, there's a glimpse of Sherlock's room off the kitchen and what appears to be a sheet draped over the couch and a sign taped to one of the french doors: coitus in progress or recently concluded. (low-quality screen cap)
what this tells me: still no bed in his room