I was scrolling through some of @fayrinferno 's posts and... If Leon was the first to set foot on Asgard, there's NO surprise or commentary that Isaac, then later (Zaiback) guards are there. Aslo, I don't recall, does Leon know they're Zaibackian? Does the Esca company know they're Zaibackian? Is Hitomi seeing Dryden's diary reading? Is it only us the audience that knows the truth?
Plothole much?
Personally I like to think that over the how many thousand years, at least a few people were passion-driven about Atlantis to attempt the trip to Asgard. Leon is the current 'crazy' who tried it.
š¤... Now I'm wondering if Dornkirk followed Leon. That makes logical sense.
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Oh cool! Although Iām pretty sure fandom caught most. (oh, and I was even cited in this one! as was finalproblem! how swanky!)
THIS IS INTERESTING THO:
10. The bus/flower scene was inspired by the same thing happening in real life to a friend of Mark Gatiss called, aptly enough, Edmund Moriarty: āHis daughter was very young and heād been up all night with her and he got on the tube to White City and this very beautiful girl started smiling at him and he thought āStill got it!ā and he got all the way there and got to work, looked in the mirror and he had a flower in his hair and thatās what sheād been looking atā Gatiss told the audience at a December screening of the episode.
Hereās the article, under the cut!
After taking a fine-toothed comb to new Sherlock episode The Six Thatchers (well, watching it with one finger hovering over the pause button) here are a few items of note discovered, in addition to a handful of discoveries made by some very fine Sherlock detectives elsewhereā¦1. We know that Lady Smallwoodās British Intelligence code name is āLoveā, leaving the Holmes brothers and Sir Edwin to divvy up āAntarcticaā, āLangdaleā and āPorlockā between them. Porlock (as well as being a village in Somerset whence came S.T. Coleridgeās famed interrupting āperson from Porlockā) was the alias of an agent working for Moriarty in Conan Doyle novel The Valley Of Fear. Langdale Pike was a character in The Adventure Of The Three Gables. But Antarctica? Perhaps thatās a fittingly chilly name for ānever been very good with [humans]ā Mycroft?2. It looks as though the opening credits have been updated for series four. They now feature a post-swimming-pool-fight Sherlock, Watson standing in what looks like a well and a lump of something odd in one of Sherlockās posh Ali Miller teacups.
4. This is what John was typing in his ā221Backā blog entry:
And weāre back! Sorry I havenāt updated the blog for such a long time but things really have been very busy. Youāll have seen on the news about how Sherlock recovered the Mona Lisa. He described it as āan utterly dreary affairā and was much more interested in the the case of a missing horseshoe and how it was connected to a bright blue deckchair on Brighton beach.
Iāll try to write everything up when I get a chance but itās not been missing portraits and horseshoes that have taken up my time.
Iām going to be a dad.
I mean, I thought Iād spent the last few years being a Dad to Sherlock, but it really doesnāt compare. The baby runs all of our lives. Maybe not THAT different to [ā¦.] Iāve fought in two wars, my best friend once faked his own death but none of that [ā¦.] terrifying and amazing and the biggest adventure Iāve been on.ā
5. There's a teensy error here, apparently. Look closely at the screenshot of John Watson writing his blog and the filename revealing him to be ātypingā into a static JPG image file is on display. Source: Daily Edge
6. In Sir Arthur Conan Doyle story A Scandal In Bohemia, Sherlock Holmes tells John Watson āYou see, but you do not observe.ā In The Six Thatchers, he makes the same complaint to baby Rosie Watson.
7. The number 626 bus, which John takes to work, is a real bus line running from Finchley to Potterās Bar.
8. The advert on the side of Johnās bus is for āStrawb Fizzā, sweets with āexplosive flavourā. Thatās not a real product as far as know, so must have been custom-made, but why? Could there be an explosion in Sherlockās future? Or some strawberries...
9. As John gets off the bus with the flower behind his ear, a passenger can be spotted carrying a newspaper with a headline ending āā¦be in two places at once?ā a possible reference to the case of The Duplicate Man that flashed up earlier on screen asking: āHow could Derek Parkinson be in two places at the same time? And murdered in one of them?ā. Itās never twins, remember.
10. The bus/flower scene was inspired by the same thing happening in real life to a friend of Mark Gatiss called, aptly enough, Edmund Moriarty: āHis daughter was very young and heād been up all night with her and he got on the tube to White City and this very beautiful girl started smiling at him and he thought āStill got it!ā and he got all the way there and got to work, looked in the mirror and he had a flower in his hair and thatās what sheād been looking atā Gatiss told the audience at a December screening of the episode.
11. The big hint for episode two, The Lying Detective, is spotted behind Johnās texting partner āEā at the bus stop. Itās a poster featuring Toby Jones in character as Culverton Smith, advertising either a new film, TV series or book featuring the character titled something containing the words ābusinessā and āmurderā. Ā The words ācoming soonā and āheās backā are also clearly visible⦠(Watson also walks past a poster for The Book Of Mormon, but not sure that's strictly relevant here.)
12. āEā, the woman John meets on the bus, appears in the credits as Elizabeth and is played by Sian Brooke, who played Ophelia to Benedict Cumberbatchās much-publicised Hamlet at the Barbican in 2015. Look away now if you donāt want a potential spoiler revealed: Brooke was also spotted filming scenes for episode two The Lying Detective, and is referred to by setlockers as āThe Lady In Redā.
13. A tenuous one this, but here goes: when John is texting āEā late and asks if sheās a night owl, she replies āvampireā. The Adventure Of The Sussex Vampire is a Sir Arthur Conan Doyle story about a dysfunctional family and a jealous, abusive brother attempting to do away with his younger sibling. Could her jokey answer be a clue to Elizabethās back story?
14. There may be a long list of things Sherlock Holmes doesnāt know about (former prime ministers?), but William Shakespeare isnāt on it (Conan Doyleās āthe game is afootā catchphrase comes from Henry V, incidentally). In The Six Thatchers, Sherlock quotes āby the pricking of my thumbsā from Macbeth. Unless of course, heās quoting from that other classic British detective writer, Agatha Christieā¦
15. The Power Ranger strapped to the front of Charlie Welsboroughās Ford was the Blue Ranger. Not sure if thatās relevant, but just being thorough.
16. The continued references to the Black Pearl of the Borgias are a connection to The Adventure Of The Six Napoleons. Said pearl was the treasure hidden inside one of six plaster busts of Napoleon in the original story.
17. Writer Mark Gatiss didnāt only borrow the premise of The Adventure Of The Six Napoleons from Conan Doyle for this modern update but also some names. Thatcher bust distributors Gelder and Co. were also the distributors of the Napoleon busts in the original story. Barnicot, Harker and Sandeford, bust owners, are also repeated between the two.
18. Toby the bloodhound proved a difficult co-star, as Steven Moffat told the Q&A audience in December: āIt didnāt move! That was an immobile dog! You know that scene where theyāre talking about the dog that wonāt move, me and Mark [Gatiss] wrote that on the street to account for the fact the dog wouldnāt move. It just sat there like an ornament!ā
19. Toby lives with Craig the hacker. In Craigās room is a street sign for Pinchin Lane, which is where the original Toby the dog lived (with a Mr Sherman) according to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in The Sign Of Four. Source: Vanity Fair
20. This isnāt the first time Ajay actor Sacha Dhawan has appeared in a Mark Gatiss-written script. He played Waris Hussein in 2013 Doctor Who docudrama An Adventure In Space And Time and then the lead in that yearās The Tractate Middoth.
21. According to this website, thereās a real-life hotel in Tbilisi, Georgia called The Sherlock. Now you know.
22. Mary-in-disguiseās fellow plane passenger was played by James Holmes. No relation.
23. A close-up of one of Maryās fake IDs reveals one of her aliases to be Gabrielle Ashdown. āGabrielleā was the fake name used by spy Ilse von Hoffmanstal in 1970 Billy Wilder film The Private Life Of Sherlock Holmes, and āAshdownā was the alias she used when pretending to be married to Holmes, then later alone in Japan. Source: Vanity Fair
24. The name painted on the boat Mary walks past in Norway, Flekkete Band, means Speckled Band, another Conan Doyle story title. Source: @ingridebs
25. Apparently the name on the boat behind, LĆøvens Manke, means Lionās Mane, yet another original Holmes adventure reference, as spotted by Tumblr user Cupidford here.
26. We won't repeat them all here, but this terrific Tumblr page is full of links between Sherlockās flurry of cases at the beginning of the episode and the original Conan Doyle stories. Find out how the man with the Japanese girlfriend tattoo relates to The Adventure Of The Red Headed League and many more.
27. Throughout the harrowing London Aquarium scenes, filmed in a single day, the team kept themselves amused by inventing facts about sharks, as relevant to their location. āSharks like beansā, āsharks cannot spellā and so onā¦
28. Unlike that popular myth, sharks do sleep. In fact, the ones at London Aquarium have to be in bed by 2am, which made filming there difficult and is perhaps why it looks very much as though some scenes are set against a video screen of fish swimming rather than the real thing. āOne of the things we did find hard was the aquarium,ā said producer Sue Vertue, āwhich we tried for ages to work out if we could film everything in the aquarium and then we realised that sharks sleep at night. So we had to find another way around doing that.ā
29. Mark Gatiss said at the Q&A in December that they had always planned for Mary to die sacrificing herself: āIt was always going to be saving Sherlock.ā
30. When Sherlock asks Mrs Hudson at the end to say the word āNorburyā to him if she ever thinks heās becoming ācocky or overconfidentā heās paraphrasing his literary counterpart, who asked John Watson in The Adventure Of The Yellow Face āWatson, if it should ever strike you that I am getting a little overconfident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely obliged to you." Source: Metro
31. When Mycroft arrives home and sees the ā13thā note on his fridge, itās hidden underneath a menu for a Reigate Square takeaway restaurant. The Adventure Of The Reigate Squire is an 1893 Sherlock Holmes story by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
32. Prompted by the note on his fridge, Mycroft makes a phone call and asks to be put through to āSherrinfordā. First introduced by Holmes scholar William S. Baring-Gould, Sherrinford is a hypothetical older brother to Mycroft and Sherlock. āIām not given to outbursts of brotherly compassion. You know what happened to the other oneā hinted Mycroft in His Last Vow. At this year's SDCC, Mark Gatiss, Amanda Abbington and Benedict Cumberbatch were photographed holding up signs saying "Thatcher", "Smith" and "Sherrinford". So we can expect to have the Sherrinford mystery solved by The Final Problem?
33. The therapist Sherlock sees at the end of the episode is Ella Thompson (played by Tanya Moodie), who formerly appeared as Johnās therapist in A Study In Pink and The Reichenbach Fall. Who better to tell him what to do about John than the doctor who treated him for PTSD and grief?
So Konstantya reblogged this and I thought about some of the Esca ships as I read through it. (https://radical-rad1986.tumblr.com/post/627559876961370112/ship-sizes) So here, have some ramblings. (Note: Bc the fandom is so small, any askblog descriptor doesn't apply; same with AO3 mentions.)
Supercarrier: Van/Hitomi, obviously. (Side note: I feel like the shipname Vantomi isn't that popular, or even old? Like I remember suddenly seeing it on ff.net ONCE, then it pops up randomly. WAY more likely to see VH. Ha, not even with the slash.) Ah, Dilandau/oc.
Dreadnought: Millerna/Dryden. Except there's not a lot of fic compared to other ships; I think that's because it feels like its an endgame thing in the Series that it's just going to happen eventually.
Cruiser: Maybe Van/Celena and Van/Merle?
Frigate & Gunboat: Folken/Eries and Gaddess/Eries; I think Dilandau/Dragonslayers goes here too? I remember there being several fics on ff.net by a few different authors.
Tugboat & Rowboat: Actually lol, F/E and G/E kinda fit all four categories.
Canoe: Merlandau, ala Pethics.
Submarine: Does Eries/Allen go here? Hahaha... where does E/A go? :smile:
Pontoon: Pacific Rim, AtLA, Ā and mebe Star Wars?
Barrel: Millerna/Moleman, except there is actual signed fic of it (or there was) on ff.net; Van/Chid, which I remember reading on ff.net but it actually made it over to AO3?? (https://archiveofourown.org/works/27727)
Pool Noodle: Special mention of MaMa because Fayrinn named the ship... but really, where does MaMa go? It's canon, we all support it, but there's hardly any fic about it and we don't talk about it like we do basically everything else.
Also not sure where to put OT3 Folken/N&E... Hn, not sure where to put Celena/Gaddess either. Or Millerna/Allen. Or Allen/Hitomi.
Thoughts?? Other ships that I am not familiar with?
@fayrinfernoās comments: (Radās original Ebr commentary)
Haha, @radical-rad1986, unfortunately, I could not participate, but your notes made me wanna rewatch myself. Just a few notes here and there where I could catch what was meant without watching.
:D Yeah I was hoping for more people but it was abruptly planned too; glad for the people who could participate!Ā
Yes the arrow tip seems to be an energist, no idea why, also do not ask me why some energists are soft (like the one you can put your hand through on Esca) and some are apparently hard enough to be used against dragonscale. Maybe the āenergist oreā is soft and the product, energist, is hard?
SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS! It might have something to do with the reaction of energist coming in contact with the guymelefās holder-thing??? I just found it interesting that the arrow appeared to be entergist-tipped!
Itās MOERO! A rude command form of moeru, to burn :D (laughs in student Japanese at the thought of Dilandau screaming āMOETE KUDASAI!ā maniacally)
Ah so I did spell it wrong!
Dryden says: āThere is [a way]⦠on Ispano made guymelefā¦ā and he just activates the mechanism. Allen asks what he just did and he said he ācalled them (the Ispano)ā. So no, no phoning home. There also was a way of putting it differently (the subs got it right), but it seems like the dub tried to give Dryden some extra swag or sth???
That makes SO MUCh more sense! I guess the Ocean Group just thoughĀ āphone homeā sounded cool.... >.>
Hitomiās grandma is most probably not Kanzaki, Yuri is the mother of Hitomiās mom. I believe Hitomiās parents are married, which would make Hitomiās dad (and his side of the family) Kanzaki.
Yeah Iām sure sheās not a Kanzaki but as we have no other last names... it has a pleasant ring to it too.
I believe Esca is older than Naruto, but the inspiration from some historical Japanese fighting gear is possible for both.
Yeah I was reaching but it was funny!! :DDD
I thought the same, Freid worships what most of Gaea considers demons. It seemed Atlanteans and Freid were on good terms when they placed the power spot there? But the other nations didnāt know them and started fearing them. I also think that the rest of known nations do not hate them like, attacking them on sight or whatever. They just think of them as too powerful and dangerous and do not want to fall under their influence. Maybe they pity Freid for being āenslavedā by Atlanteans, but they do not shun them for their beliefs. As I said once before, the countries seem to be chill with religions other than their own.
Oh I totally love that the nations of Gaea seem to not have anti-relglion crap going on, even if they do have racism with the beastmen, at least in some places a little bit. I donāt see it but I swear that the Compendiumās Chronology had Freid being founded early-ish and being anĀ āoldā country. Like it built up around the Power Spot. Maybe Iām making it up or remembering someoneās headcanon. Maybe Atlantis and Atlanteans are more a myth/forgotten and Draconians are more real, if rare? But yeah itās prolly more Fanelila thatās afraid of the Daconians, NOT to belittle them/it but they are a little behind on the times... And yeah, if Freid isnāt a ranting/weird country and veryĀ functional, whoās to bring on the religion debate?
Aww the Fanel family flying courses!
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
And Iām happy someone adopted my āMaMaā lol.
Oh I thought that was Konstantyaās! Whoop my bad!
Starting a new thread as I feel weāre OT to the original Fanelia topic.
Drkās comment:Ā
Depending on the dialogue translation this scene goes a few ways, in the Ocean dub, I feel like Allen is known for traveling to pick up girls from all over, or to have girls brought to him from all over. Saying that he found Hitomi āin the eastā makes me think that heās known to use travel to pick up chicks. Ā
Allen travelling to pick up women? *Ponders* He does sayĀ āI found her in the east.ā And it does sound more likeĀ āthe Eastā now that weāre giving it thought. Would he be able to leave the Fort though? (Aston wouldnāt let him is my thought. Officially or spitefully.)Ā *Squints at Gaean map* So thatād prolly be Egzardia or Basram?
Having women brought in would make more sense. The line might beĀ āSheās from the East.ā
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Episode 21, Reaction of Fortune. Naria and Hitomi are standing on a small boat and Eriyaās Tiering ālandsā and hovers right next to it/them. After Vanās scene at the Vione, HITOMI AND NARIA ARE STANDING ON THE DOCK AND ERIYAāS TIERING HAS LANDED. Did they actually take the time to move or is this an inconsistency????
Itās probably so that Hitomi actually has the space to back away when the Tiering takes off. And for Naria to walk into her sisterās Tieringās outstretched hand. And for the Tiering the freaking LAND. They probably should have just kept Naria and Hitomi off the boat and on the dock!!! XDDDDDDDDD
With Drkās posting of the cards I looked at the Wbās Compendium to make sure I spelledĀ āChafarisā correctly... I hadnāt. The point is I want fic of Chid piloting Chafaris and communicating with Mahadās ghost. Or just piloting it. :P I nominate @millerna!! :DDD
*Peers at guymelef list* Direito? That sounds familiar. Naiades sounds really familiar but I think thatās because it rhymes with Alseides. (And Greek Naiades. Which makes sense as thatās where Oreades and Alseides came from.) Or maybe that was from the manga? And of course thereās Supiruka,Ā Terceiro, andĀ Toriburu and I go wtf??
Interestingly enough Chrome accepts Direito and Terceiro as words?? Lol!
Chafaris is based on Portuguese? HUH. I wonder if that has any connection to the Castelo and Natalās origins???? And my headcanon little heart leaps for joy!