Yeah it does, my second theory can tie into your one about the silver eye being born from the God of Light's fountain, what if there is one from the God of Darkness' pool as well one who is a refference to Heracles and he is tasked with giving the chosen one the final lessons the one that can play a part in stopping Salem and he or she hasn't been seen as they stay secluded to the pre-determained hour they were told
Hello again Crystal. UhmâŚI donât think there is a likelihood of Silver Eyed Warriors being born from the Grimm Pools of Darkness, fam. As mentioned by Maria Calavera in V6, the Silver Eyes embody the preservation of life.
Itâs what fuels their power and it makes sense given their ties to the God of Light and his Fountain of Life and Creation. I canât see a Silver Eyed Warrior being born from the Grimm Pools considering that its represent the very opposite of life and creation which is death and destruction.
This is why the Creatures of Grimm are likely the antithesis to the Silver Eyes. The Grimm are creations of destruction whereas the Silver Eyes were born with the unique ability to destroy the Grimm and thus use that power to protect humanity.
However as you mentioned a Silver Eyed Warrior emerging from the Grimm Pool, this makes me think back to a Pinehead/Little Red Headcanon that I created with @miki-13.Â
Itâs an idea where both Ruby and Oscar are captured by Salem and while imprisoned, Salem tortures Ruby as a means of breaking her indomitable spirit eventually baptising her in the same Grimm Pools of Darkness that corrupted her. This baptism leads to Salem corrupting Ruby too, transforming the young huntress into the witchâs slave---her Black Rose Warrior of Darkness who Salem then pits against poor Oscar in a duel that parallels Salemâs battle with Ozma during the Lost Fable---yâknow basically forcing two lovers or two people who care deeply about one another to battle each other to the death.
 Still one of my favourite headcanons X3
Then again, hold on a second here Crystal:
â...What if there is one from the God of Darkness' pool as well one who is a refference to Heracles and he is tasked with giving the chosen one the final lessons the one that can play a part in stopping Salem and he or she hasn't been seen as they stay secluded to the pre-determained hour they were told...â
A Silver Eyed Warrior tasked with given the chosen one the final lessons that will play a part in stopping Salem and this Silver Eyed Warrior has lived a life of solitude and seclusion until they are needed to arrive to train said chosen one?Â
Wait...doesnât that remind you of Maria Calavera in a way?Â
Think about it. Maria is an ex-Silver Eyes. After she lost her eyes, she lived a life of seclusion until a chance encounter with Ruby and her friends.
After this, she agrees to become a mentor figure to Ruby in helping her to understand and control her powers.
To me, your description of said character from Hercules mythos reminds me of Maria.Â
This is why I was disappointed with how the CRWBY Writers shafted Maria for V6 and V7. I was waiting for Maria to be a proper mentor for Ruby in the art of becoming a fully-realized Silver Eyed Warrior. A feat Iâm still holding out for for V8 hopefully. Fingers crossed.
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Wait panel two of that post with Landis, are that rabbit and cat meant to be Doki and Nabi from the popular flash animatoon There She is! because I get that vibe.
This one is probebly simpler to answer but possibly now but, which of Salem's faction do you think is close to a point they might be kiled off? For me Hazel is currently safe atm, Cinder is neutral point she already had two fakeout deaths but possibly still has some plot. It is a toss up between Watts and Tyrian given both have a point that could be there end. Watts being executed by Ironwood as a show of force to Salem and Tyrian's desire to please Salem by recapturing Ruby.
Hello again Crystal. Thatâs actually another good question and I do agree with you on your predications to some degree.
I believe Hazel will be kept around since there is still some unresolved business between him, Oz and Oscar. I have a feeling we could potentially get a rematch between these three characters. Not to mention that as of V6, there also seems to be a growing connection between Hazel, Emerald and Mercury. Particularly Emerald. I quite liked Hazelâs display of empathy towards Emerald where he was willing to sort of take the full brunt of the punishment from Salem for their---well technically Cinderâs failure---at retrieving the Relic of Knowledge during the Battle of Haven.
I feel like this could potentially lead into Hazel becoming a sort of fatherly older brother type character for both Emerald and Mercury. Both of these kids have been victims of not having a proper support system throughout their lives with Mercury being a survivor of child abuse at the hand of his own father and Emerald never having a family to begin with. Not to mention that Hazel still has his own inner demons to heal from regarding the death of his sister. This is why I love the idea of there being more potential moments for these three---Hazel, Emerald and Mercury---to bond since I can actually picture the prospect of their relationship being exactly what they need in a sense.
Mercury never felt the love of a devoted parent---particularly one thatâs male. I can easily picture Hazel filling that void since he practically had to be both an older brother and a father figure to Gretchen. He definitely acted like one during his outburst at Oscar back at Hazel.
ââŚShe was only a child! She wasnât ready!â
Iâm actually curious to see how Hazel would react and treat Merc upon learning his backstory of abuse. The same could be said regarding his response to learning that Emerald has never had a family before and had no one (outside of Cinder) to look out for her. Bottom-line, what Iâm getting at is that I think a strong family dynamic could develop wholesomely between Hazel, Emerald and Mercury. Through Emerald and Merc (or at least Emerald), Hazel could potentially have a second chance at being a better big brother by looking out for the two teenagers partnered to work with him (to some extent). So yeah, thatâs where I see Hazelâs story potentially going along with him making amends for his relationship with Ozpin through his connection to Oscar (maybe; not sure).
Regarding Cinder Fall---to be honest, Cinder could go either way for me at this point. For me, Cinder could either live long enough to see herself overthrow Salem and become an even bigger threat to Remnant than the Wicked Witch (see my Red Queen Cinder Fall headcanon right here and here) orâŚshe can succumb to the Grimm inside of her and practically transforming into inhuman monster in the process. I canât help that feel like Cinderâs descent will come at the hands of the very Grimm arm that has now fused completely with her body. Notice how back in V7, during her clash with Winter  Schnee, even after Winter had succeeded in cutting off Cinderâs Grimm arm, rather than the arm just falling limp to the ground, it regenerated back into the place on Cinderâs body.
It was like watching a lizard grow back its own tail. The Geist Grimm arm has become so integrated with Cinderâs biology that sheâs able to regenerate it---rather painfully--- at will. I canât help but feel like that right there is a clear foreshadow either for Cinderâs rise or fall. Like I said, Cinder could either end up surviving yet again and ascending to become a powerful Grimmoire (half Grimm, half human hybrid) to overthrow the likes of Salem and take her place as the new Red Queen and leader of the Grimm (after pilfering Salemâs magic in the process)âŚORâŚshe could lose what little shred of humanity she had left---finally giving herself fully to accept the full power of the Grimm thatâs become a part of her; literally becoming an abomination of man that our heroes will have no choice but to slay.
Cinder could either live or die in my books and it can work either way. I just like the prospect of her overthrowing Salem and becoming a worst final boss than her more intriguing than her being killed off. But thatâs just me.
Regarding Arthur Watts---not going to lie; apart from Hazel, Watts is the second member of Salemâs Inner Circle who I legit like and wish to believe in his redemption. The way how I see it, Watts could either end up being redeemed through begrudgingly offering to aid our heroes for his own self-preservation upon learning the full truth about Salem and her intentions with Relics orâŚheâll just spend the rest of his years in prison to make amends for his actions against Atlas or something along those lines. I believe Watts could possibly live through the potential Fall of Atlas. But again, this is just my opinion.
This leaves Tyrian Callows. Again, Iâm going to be honest, I think Tyrian could be the one most likely to be next on the chopping block in regards to main villain deaths. For me personally, the only fitting death I can picture befalling Tyrian is if he were to die somewhat ironically.
What I mean by that is⌠imagine ifâŚSalem was the one who ends up killing off Tyrian in the end or rather, itâs a case where Tyrian fails in his mission against our heroes and he becomes so distraught at the mere thought of dying by Salemâs hands as a result of failing her a second time that the Scorpion Faunus just offs himself.
Picture itâŚTyrian is given another opportunity to redeem himself for failing to capture Ruby Rose. But he ends up failing a second time after being thwarted by the combined efforts of JNR and potentially Qrow Branwen. Maybe itâs even a case where Tyrian does succeed in capturing Ruby and our little red rose is literally whisked away to Salemâs castle by a Winged Beringel while Tyrian is left to fight Rubyâs allies and prevent them from going to save her.
That could be another interesting take. Even though Tyrian is defeated and possibly killed, Ruby still becomes a prisoner of Salem to some degree. Thatâs another cool thought for the table of potential possibilities.
Going back to Tyrian---a part of me wishes to believe that Jaune might contribute to Tyrianâs official defeat. In V7CH5, Vine suggested to Jaune that he should try âextending his auraâ and this was followed up in the next episode---V7CH6--- when we saw Jaune training with Nora while Oscar observed and kept check of his aura levels on his Scroll. As remarked by Oscar, Jaune was able to recover and replenish his aura levels immediately after taking damage.
ââŚNice. Your recovery is getting fasterâŚâ
Bearing that in mind, I have a feeling that that little detail is going to come back at some point during V8 particularly in respect to Tyrian Callows. In V7 CH7, during the attack on Robynâs election victory party, we saw that Tyrian was able to use his semblance to cut through an individualâs aura. If itâs been established that Jaune is able to quickly recover his aura then currently, everyoneâs favourite Arc boy is the only one who has an edge over Tyrian.
At the moment, Jauneâs semblance is the perfect counter to Tyrianâs since even if the Scorpion Faunus is able to cut through Jauneâs aura, his attempts will be proven futile since Jaune will just recover his aura immediately after taking damage. Thus, my hunch now is that Jaune may play a part  in Tyrianâs ultimate defeat. I think the only way for Tyrian to truly go down for good is through death considering the fact that his whole backstory has been him constantly evading capture.
To stop a cold-blooded killer, you basically have to kill the killer, right?      Â
Iâm also curious to know if weâll have Qrow getting a chance to enact revenge on Tyrian for killing Clover. After all, it was his own weapon that Tyrian heartlessly used to murder Clover and frame the Branwen man for his death. Wouldnât it be the most fitting karma if Tyrian receives his comeuppance by having Qrow blindside him and cut him down from behind using Harbinger, just as how he did Clover.
Iâm not saying that Iâm all for Qrow murdering Tyrian---I guess what Iâm more picturing is a better rematch against Tyrian that parallels the events of V4 where he made his first appearance to the RNJR group. During that encounter, RNJR was completely powerless against Tyrian leading to Qrowâs intervention.
Personally Iâm digging the concept of a reverse parallel to V4. In that season, we saw Tyrian fail to capture Ruby for Salem resulting in him being defeated by the efforts of Qrow who came to his nieceâs aid after her and JNR were overpowered by Tyrian.
In V4, it was Qrow who came to RNJRâs aid when Tyrian arrived to take Ruby. What ifâŚfor V8, it is JNR who end up coming to Qrowâs aid after Tyrian succeeds in capturing Ruby?
Picture it. PerhapsâŚitâs a scenario where Qrow was out doing reconnaissance alone in Mantle with only Ruby. However things take a turn for the worse when Tyrian leads an ambush against the two. If I recall correctly, Qrow was inspired by the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Well in the Wizard of Oz story, I remember there being a part where the Scarecrow is ripped apart by the flying monkeys who were successful in capturing Dorothy for the Wicked Witch of the West.
Perhaps⌠there could be a RWBY equivalent to this in V8 where Qrow gets brutally injured during an ambush by Tyrian Callow who leads his own army of Winged Beringels, resulting in Ruby being captured this time as a powerless Qrow could only watch helplessly as his niece is whisked away to become Salemâs prisoner.
As for Tyrian, he arrogantly stays behind to finish Qrow off and further mock him over the events of Cloverâs death; ultimately leading to Jaune, Nora and Ren all arriving in time to save Qrow this time; just as how he saved them in V4.
I think that could potentially be a neat scene to see; dontcha think? Â
Tyrian facing off against Nora, Jaune and Ren again alongside Qrow---Iâd love to see that. Heck yeah! Iâm definitely digging the idea of Tyrian facing off against a stronger Team JNR who actually give him a good run for his money this second round; especially Jaune with his semblance.
I like the notion of JNR succeeding in defeating Tyrian with Qrow getting his chance to finally cut Tyrian down for what he did to Clover.
Basically what this squiggle meister is trying to say with my jibber jab is that I donât expect Tyrian to survive for another volume.
Of all the villains in Salemâs army, heâs the one I expect to see go down next; more so than Cinder Fall since Iâd like to believe there is a sliver of a chance that Cinder could survive long enough to see herself rise higher and succeed beyond the likes of even Salem. If Salem is the Black Queen then I am 100% on board with Cinder becoming the Red Queen equivalent to that; becoming a more heartless, blood-thirsty and monstrously power-hungry threat beyond the likes of what Salem set in store for her. Iâm all for the satire of Salem basically creating her own worst enemy in Cinder. Consider me a firm advocate for that headcanon.
Beyond that, my money is on Tyrian to be offed next. As for how heâll die, thatâs anyoneâs guess. If I had to picture it, I can see Tyrian going out one of two ways. Either Salem is the one to kill Tyrian or⌠Tyrian commits suicide in a twisted âIâd rather kill myself than face the anguish of crawling back to my beloved goddess after failing her a second timeâ type of deal in the event that he does fail to capture Ruby a second time.
As weird as that may sound, imagining the look on Tyrianâs face at the prospect of being killed by Salem makes me curious. Tyrian literally worships Salem so how would he feel if she was the one to kill him. Will he be genuinely stunned or will it be another example of him accepting everything in the name of his divine goddess; even if it meant his own death.
OrâŚsince I brought up the prospect of Tyrian succeeding to capture Ruby for SalemâŚperhapsâŚit can even be a scenario where, after Tyrian is defeated and completely overpowered by the efforts of JNR and Qrow, knowing that there was an off-chance that the heroes might use him against Salem to find Ruby, Tyrian commits suicide out of spite; thus eliminating the groupâs only chance at finding and rescuing the captive Ruby.
This couldâve been a cool idea if Ruby was taken all the way back to Salemâs castle in the Dark Domain and since the members of Salemâs inner circle were the only ones who knew the whereabouts of where Salem resided, finding Ruby would be a wild goose chase---granted that Salem kept her alive long enough for her comrades to save her.
When I look at it like that, colour me intrigued because these concepts arenât bad to ponder on. But again; this is just me once again putting my thoughts and ideas out there.Â
Overall, I hope I was able to answer you again Crystal. Please let me know if I did with your thoughts on my thoughts, thanks.
Do you think V8 will have anymore conclusion to Weiss and Whitley's relationship? I think I would like to see maybe the team will eventually have to get back into Atlas and Whitley who might have interim position on the Atlas Council to grant them access (undercover as Ruby would put it) which may result in Weiss and Whitley finally talking and clearing the air and Weiss possibly finally apologising for how she treated Whitley growing up. Just my hopes for V8, Whitley needs some happiness
Hello again Crystal.As much as I would love to see Weissand Whitley legit reconcile for the next volume, the ending of V7 didnât reallyset up much for whatâs next for Weissâ relationship with her brother. At leastin my opinion.Â
While V7CH9 highlighted Whitley running up to his room whileMama Schnee stared behind him in sadness, itâs not to say Weiss was the onesharing a troubled look toward her little brother; showing the slightest tingeof remorse for what her actions mightâve caused for him.
On the contrary, in spite of her own mother coming out of obscurity to ask her to look out for herbrother, Weiss didnât even try to reach out to Whitley even after being the oneresponsible for placing their father behind bars.
Itâs for this reason why Iâm starting to think that V8 mightnot show a continuation of Weiss making up with Whitley.
If V7 had ended with Ironwood becoming the primary antagonist to our heroes for the nextseason and V8 was mainly about watching our heroes basically fight Ironwood andhis forces while on the cusp of Salem eventually showing up with her army---thenperhaps we couldâve probably had amoment whereâŚI dunnoâŚIronwood threatened to use an innocent Whitley Schnee asbait or something along those lines to get our heroes to surrender Penny overthe Atlas Military as she is the new Winter Maiden.
Ironwood using Whitley as a means of getting to Weiss couldâvebeen interesting since it couldâve tested Weissâ feelings towards her brother.Maybe even cause some internal struggle forher given that she was asked to look out for him. Not to mention that Ironwoodusing an innocent member of Weissâ family as leverage could be a testament tohis heartlessness and how far heâs willing to go to âsave Atlasâ from Salem.Not to mention that itâs a way to have Winter finally question Ironwoodâsmorality seeing him bring her own little brother into this when he basicallyhad nothing to do with any of the affairs related to the huntsmen or evenSalem.
That couldâve been something. But like I said, the show didnâtreally leave me expecting much from Weiss and Whitley after V7. Donât get mewrong, I still want to see Whit  become the Huntsman in Weissâ Snow White storyand help her with his act of choosing to help his sister during a crisis inspite of their rocky relationship being what makes Weiss finally startaccepting her brother into her life.
But at the moment, I canât really see that happening sincethe show hasnât done much for Weiss showing even a crumb of interest in herbrother. Itâs actually very disappointingif I could be more frank.
I was banking on V7 potentially showing Weiss and Whitleymaking amends, focusing a bit more on their relationship as opposed to theusual---which is her and Winter. And in the end, we didnât get much on that atall.Â
We got the usual. More development for Weiss and Winterâs bond as sisters while Whitley gets left behind...AGAIN.Â
As a matter of fact, if you will allow me to go on a little rant here--- I was actually VERY disappointedwith V7CH8 after it first premiered. Iâm probably in the minority when Isay this but I didnât like how the showintroduced Willow Schnee just for the mere sake of having her be the one tohelp Weiss stop Jacques.
Personally, I thinkthat moment shouldâve gone to Whitley since, no offence to Mama Schnee as acharacter butâŚI wasnât invested in her ties to Weiss since the show did verylittle to previously establish that for me.Â
Unlike Whitley, I had no emotionalconnection to Willow Schnee since this wasnât the other Schnee the MAIN animated seriesfocused on back when Weiss was home in Atlas for V4.Â
Sure we got a mention ofWillow in V4 and V5. But thatâs the thing. All weâve gotten from Willow arementions and even when sheâs brought up; itâs usually all wrapped up with theSchnee Family Affairs involving Jacques.
Weissâ relationship with Whit was the one the show primarilygave some focus back in V4 and based on that, I was expecting Whitley to havebeen the one to help his sister with outing Jacques. In my opinion, Whitley wouldâve been the more fittingcharacter to out Jacquesâ involvement with Watts to Weiss since it wasestablished in V7CH4 that Whitley saw Watts at the manor in the flesh.
Not to mention that the show also highlighted previously backin V4 that Whitley has a tendency toeavesdrop on his fatherâs conversations inside of his office; as evidencedby the fact that he was the one to inform Weiss of Jacques talking to someone(Ironwood) before her arrival in his office.Â
Did Miles Luna---the CRWBY Writerwho wrote V7CH8 forget that little detail about Whit?
Nothing against the fans who love Willow Schnee and feelsorry for her as another tragic victim of Jacquesâ abuse--- however; Iâm sorrybut it annoyed me how the CRWBY Writers brought her into the story for V7.
I mean I knew we were going to eventually see Willow at somepoint during the Atlas Arc as part of Weissâ story. However the LAST thing Iexpected was for her to help Weiss with Jacques.
It is such a plot convenience that the very first timeWeiss (and by the extension, the audience) reunites with her mother is insideof her fatherâs office where she was just casually standing there ready to giveWeiss exactly what she needed to stop her father.
Iâm sorry but Willowâs sudden involvement in stopping Jacquesfelt soâŚrandom to me. This is acharacter who has practically been an invisible enigma for about three seasonsand the very first time her character appears in the story is for the sakeof pushing the plot with a plot convenience.
A convenience that wouldâve probably felt less like such a convenienceif it were done with Whitley. Because unlike Willow, Whitley had more build up.
In my opinion, it wouldâve made more sense if Whitley hadbeen the one to give Weiss the information on Watts. Instead of Willow, Whitleyshouldâve been the one waiting for Weiss in their fatherâs office.Â
Instead ofhaving Whit be a brat for most of the episode, imagine ifâŚWeiss had entered Jacquesâ office only tofind her brother smugly waiting there for her.
ImagineifâŚWeiss had managed to sneak into Jacquesâ office only to heara familiar ââŚHello dear sisterâ frombehind, turning around to find Whitley seated at Jacquesâ desk.
ImagineifâŚwe had a moment of actual tension where Weiss believed that Whitley was going to rat her out to her father---yâknowwatch her get in trouble with him again because in Weissâ eyes, thatâs whatWhitley wants, right? ---harkening back to the way she accused him of the samething back in V4.
Only instead of ratting her out to their father, Whitleysurprises Weiss by doing the unexpected. He tells Weiss about their fatherâsinvolvement with a âvery bad man whovisited their home earlierâ meaning Watts. And to further prove his point;especially when Weiss shows doubt in her brotherâs integrity, thatâs whenWhitley hands Weiss the Scroll with the recording of Jacquesâ conversation withWatts.
And when questioned on how he got this information, Whitleycould simply explain to his sister that he got the information from thesecurity cameras; pointing out the detail of how their mother had cameras secretly installedinside their fatherâs office and all over Schnee Manor, not like she ever daredto actually use them.
And when questioned how Whitley knew about the cameras, hethen went on to further explain that he first heard about the cameras aftertheir mother drunkenly dropped that little titbit as a bold fake threat during one of her and Jacquesâ screaming matches (since Jacques yelling at Willow is acommon thing in the Schnee Manor according to V4).
Having Whitley help Weiss instead of Willow wouldâve workedso much better in terms of MAIN series canon continuity. You really expect me to believe thatWillow Schnee had cameras installed all over Schnee Manor and the one time shedared to use them was coincidentally when Weiss showed up at the Manor fortheir dinner and just happened to need that information that she just so had. Really?
The only time we see Willow at all in RWBY was just for thesake of committing this one redeeming act which, in my opinion, shouldâve goneto Whitley since, as Iâll stress again, HEâS THE SCHNEE WHOSE STRAINEDRELATIONSHIP WITH WEISS HAD MORE FOCUS ON BACK IN V4!!! WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING ONWILLOW---THE CHARACTER YOU BARELY SHOWED IN V4 AND BARELY HAD WEISS CARE ABOUTUNTIL V7?
And please DO NOT tellme about the RWBY DC Comics.Â
In my opinion again, the RWBY DC Comics are threeto four years TOO LATE. If theshowrunners SERIOUSLY wanted ME (not speaking for anyone else here but myself)to care about Weiss and her mother, they shouldâve established their relationshipa lot better in the actual MAIN animated series instead of waiting years laterafter V4 passed to tell me about this relationship that was practically non-existentin the series until the comics were made.
Apologiesagain but this squiggle meister didnâtcare for Willow Schnee helping Weissespecially since that was the only thing they had her do for this season. Youshaft Whitley to give something he couldâve done to this character that the audiencebarely spent time with before. Really?Thatâs what you do to my boy?
And what made it worse in my eyeswas having Willow tell Weiss that she should care more about her brother. Letme say that again. WILLOW---THIS CHARACTER WHO WE HAVE NOT SEEN FOR THREE WHOLESEASONS (including the season when Weiss was home in Atlas) AND DID NOT MEETUNTIL THE EIGHTH EPISODE OF V7--- HAD TO TELLWEISS THAT SHE SHOULD CARE MORE ABOUT WHITLEY.
Allow me to explain why I found thatto be pretty crummy especially if youârea fan of Whitley. Itâs basically the same thing that annoyed me about Oscarâstreatment in previous volumes.
Instead of having Whitley be the oneto help Weiss and have this one redeeming act spark Weiss reconsidering herrelationship with her brother for herself and come to that realization on herown, you thought it would be better to have this other character that wasbarely in the story tell Weiss to do it.
Iâm sorry I didnât like that at all.And now because of it, I donât know whatâs going to be done next for Weiss andWhitley. I still wish to believe in the potential of these two Schnee Siblingsfinally sharing a good bond with one another. But unfortunately right now, theseries hasnât given me much to hope for with how they executed things. Sorry tobe a Debby Downer here but thatâs how Iâm honestly feeling right now as a Whit.
Instead of having my boy commit oneredeemable act that couldâve sparked the road towards him and his sister makingamends; especially coming off of how things were left between them from V4.Instead of taking the more fitting and previously established approach withinthe animated series; what happens?
You gave it to the non-existentmother whose relationship with Weiss your audience has to consult the questionably canonical comics toread about since we all know the MAINanimated series didnât do much about that beforehand.
âŚRight. Apologies for the rant but Iâmjust REALLY salty about that. Such a missedopportunity for Whitley.Â
But then again these are only my thoughts and opinions. Take it as you will. That being said, I guess weâllsee for things go for V8. Maybe that season might surprise us or something.
So just saw the teaser for the RWBY DND campaign coming in Augest, wanted to know your thoughts?, it is called RWBY: The Grimm Campaigh and will start off in Mistral. Do you think maybe not immidiet and only in like passing but some might be considered canon to the actual canon to the series? I also hope there are some RWBY themed dice we can also get.
Hello again Crystal. Honest thoughts on RWBY Grimm Campaign? Iâll be frank fam, I havenât checked out the trailer for RWBY Grimm Campaign since Iâm honestly not that interested in it. Sorry ^^); When they first shared the premise for that RWBY-related spin-off series, it was the one I personally found the least interesting, in my opinion, especially compared to the announcement for RWBY Tales From Remnant (which Iâm more excited for). Not to be that person butâŚthis squiggle meister honestly wouldâve rather RT revive RWBY Chibi for another season of light-hearted fun and laughs with the chibified RWBY cast than do something like this; yâknow what I mean?
I donât want to knock the series before it airs but my heartâs just not that invested in that one. Who knows? My impression might change once it officially drops. As for whether or not any info shared in that series will be canon to RWBY, yâsee thatâs where Iâm confused. If the stuff shared in this series is canon then it could be a cool way for the CRWBY team to expand the world-building for RWBY since, we never truly got to explore the Kingdom of Mistral and/or Anima in the main series since the characters themselves never explored it (which was a real bummer for folks like me). So if fans get to learn more about Mistral (and other future locations in the RWBY Remnant universe) through this new D&D series thenâŚthatâs one way I can definitely see the series being compelling.
Other than that, I canât really say if stuff will be canon since I donât really know myself, fam. I guess weâll only know in future news on the series. Thatâs as much as I can say.
As for RWBY themed diceâŚwhile Iâm a novice to D&D as a whole; I do think it would be cool and fitting if there were special D&D-inspired items that were designed and tailored specifically for this particular series that RT will probably market to the fans later on based on the success of the show, yâknow what I mean? What I want to know isâŚwill the RWBY cast be playing as themselves in this series? I think it was mentioned that this series will have RT cast members playing as characters set in the world of RWBY soâŚ.does that mean at some point weâll see those characters interact with canon characters from RWBY?
Like will they have Lindsey or Miles come on to play their characters? As I said, I really donât know how this series will go butâŚit should be interesting, I guess? XD Those are my thoughts on that.
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Little Red Headcanons: Ruby the Saviour of Humanity
crystalandbrass asked
âHey long time no speak so I have two theories on RWBY I want to run by you the first is the lamp, I feel it functions like the old 'Be careful how you word your wish' essentially you have to be spercific with what you ask as Ozpin only asked 'How do I kill Salem?' Djinn obviously said there was no way because Salem is immortal, however if Ozpin asked 'How do I defeat Salem?' Djinn might have given up how to undo Salem's immorttality. What do you think? I will give the 2nd one laterâ
Hey Crystal, whatâs up? Apologies for the late response but I hope youâve been doing well in these trying times, fam. To answer your question, thatâs an interesting way to look at it. I agree with your point about Jinn answering questions according to their wording but Iâd like to add an additional hunch that I think the results are also dependent on the person asking the questions.
During his lifetime with Norman, Ozma asked Jinn how âheâ could destroy Salem. Only for Jinn to answer that âheâ couldnât. For me, I took that as Jinn indicating that Ozma wasnât the one destined to stop Salem once and for all. It doesnât necessarily mean that destroying Salem isnât possible. Ozma (and by extension, the Wizards of Light following in his lineage) just wasnât the one meant to do so. He had his own part to play in this ongoing fight for the fate of humanity.
Iâd like to stand by the concept that there is someone in Remnant who destined to stop Salem.
I also believe that the key to stopping Salem for good isnât through destroying her either. Yes she needs to be stopped, but I donât think her fate is to die by the hands of her chosen adversary but rather the way the Gods intended for her to die.
Itâs for this reason I like the theory that was eluded by Nora in V7CH6 during her conversation with Ruby.
ââŚWeâve spent so much time worrying about how Ironwood would react to the truth about her; but has any of us considered how weâre even going to beat her if we managed to work past that?â
âJinn said she canât be beaten.â
âShe told Oz that he couldnât destroy her.â
ââŚButâŚmaybe someone else could?â
ââŚI donât know.â
A part of me thinks that if someone were to ask Jinn the question of âWho can stop Salem?â then I believe her answer might be a bit more hopeful as she reveals the identity of humanityâs true saviour against the plight of Salem. In the Lost Fable, Jinn did say that in time Salem wouldâve ultimately met her adversary. During the events of that episode, us as viewers were led to believe that that person would be Ozma.
However now that I think about it---despite creating Salem and resurrecting the soul of her former beloved, the Brother Gods NEVER really tasked Ozma with stopping Salem. All the God of Light told Ozma to focus on was figuring out a way to unite humanity as a means of recreating the world that they once had---that he once knew. A world where humanity was made whole again with the return of the Gods and their magic to live among the People of Remnant again. Now that I think about it, the God of Light warned Ozma to not pursue Salem as he more desired for him to focus on avoiding the inevitable Judgement Day and the end of the world should he fail in bringing the people together.
From the start, the purpose of Ozma and the Wizards of Light was always to see to humanityâs preservation by uniting them for it is only in harmony shall they be saved and spared the wrath of the Gods should they be summoned back to Second Remnant.
From what I gathered from the Lost Fable, First Remnant was a time when mankind more or less lived in commune with not just each other but also the Brothers. However that changed after Salem rallied all the leaders of the First People of Remnant and turned them against the Gods thus leading to their mass genocide by the God of Darkness.
You can say that from the beginning, Salem has been a figure of conflict--- dividing humanity--- turning them against one another as a means of only fulfilling her own selfish desires.
From the get-go, Salem has been a source of manipulation and division. This was not only evidenced by her turning the People of Remnant against the Gods but her first attempt was done even before that when she dared turn the Brothers against one another after manipulating Darkness into resurrecting Ozma against his brotherâs wishes and prior knowledge.
Salem was only cursed because she refused to see the value in human life beyond herself and sadly to say, even after living on Remnant for over thousands of years; she still only views mankind as nothing less to her than mere pawns to achieve her goals. She even came to see her own beloved Ozma as the very same thing---an obstacle against her retaining her sense of freedom.
ââŚWe finally have freedom!â
I know other RWBY fans have pegged Salem to be nothing more than an irredeemable villain and character; however I think the opposite. Ultimately, I think Salemâs fate is to die after finally learning the lesson the God of Light tried to get her to see. Believe it or not, Iâm actually an advocate for Salem getting redeemed at some point for the future of RWBY.
While Salem has been shown to be selfish and manipulative, sheâs also expressed a softer, more compassionate side to her as well; as evidenced by her love and determination for Ozma and even their children during Ozmaâs second lifetime as Diggs.
Iâd even go as far as to say that there is a slight, almost parental approach to Salemâs mentor and apprentice relationship with Cinder Fall; if that makes sense. Again, while I understand that Salem is a villain, there are qualities about her that has convinced me that she can be redeemed and ultimately will be saved since thatâs how I think her story will end based on elements from the Lost Fable.
I think Salem is the way she is, not so much due to her corruption from her baptism in the Grimm Pools of Darkness but more so as a result of her past and upbringing; being locked away in isolation for so long---having her own freedom stripped away away from her at an adolescent age by the acts of her cruel father.
Going back to your question on the lamp---I think what needs to happen next is either for someone to ask Jinn for the identity of the person destined to bring forth Salemâs end. Or for that person to ask Jinn that question herself.
Since V6, I canât help but feel like the show is slowly starting to pave the reveal that Ruby Rose will be the one to stop Salem. NOT destroy her or kill her. But more or less guide her back to the light after the former lonely princess had submerged herself in darkness for so long; thus transforming herself into the wicked witch we knew her to be.
I feel like Ruby has the potential of being placed in a similar tricky scenario that Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender faced during his final confrontation with Fire Lord Ozai.
Much like Aang, this squiggle meister believes that Ruby will be the one to stop Salem but sheâll be torn over the thought of actually killing her if she were to discover to possess that kind of power. Â
Iâm not saying Iâm expecting Ruby to talk Salem out of being evil.
Iâm more in favour of my Little Red Ruby headcanon of Rubyâs silver eyes being a remnant of the God of Lightâs Fountain of Light and Creation that was introduced during the events of the Lost Fable. Weâve already met Ozma---the First Wizard of Light tasked by the God of Light and blessed with his power to unite the people of Remnant to avoid its destruction should Judgement Day come.
Now what I need to know is the origins of the Silver Eyes. I want to know who the First Silver Eyed Warrior  to walk Remnant was since I believe that their beginning is connected to the Fountain of Life and Creation. Much like the Grimm Pools, the Fountain of Life and Creation once belonged to a God and thus harbours some semblance of his power.
This is how I think Salem is able to command the Creatures of Grimm. It was the God of Darkness who first made the Grimm, correct? Therefore since his pool was connected to him, Â by baptising herself in said pool that once belonged to a God, Salem gained powers akin to the God of Darkness---at least in respect to the ability to command the Grimm and even create her own Grimm monstrosities.
While the God of Darknessâ Grimm Pools survived the test of time, the Fountain of Life and Creation seemed to have been destroyed during the meteor shower sparked by the God of Darkness destroying part of the moon. Since World of Remnant described man being born from dust; my assumption is that the Silver Eyed Warriors are the remnants of the Fountain.Â
Therefore, the Silver Eyed Warriors are the living embodiment of the Fountain of Life and Creation. This, by my understanding, is how the Silver Eyed Warriors are connected to the God of Light. Just like the Wizards of Light in Ozmaâs lineage, the Silver Eyes possess a portion of Lightâs power running through their veins.
In the Lost Fable, it was shown that the God of Light cursed Salem with immortality by dropping her into his Fountain. If the Silver Eyes were âbornâ from the Fountain then a Silver Eyed Warrior may be the only being that can actually harm Salem or even stop her.
Hence Rubyâs importance as she is currently the last living Silver Eye, according to the main series narrative. I remember reading somewhere about a theory someone had shared about the markings on Salemâs body---the weird blood-coloured scars that resemble veins---someone made theory that those markings may have come from Silver Eyed Warriors that Salem killed in the past.
I actually quite like this theory and Iâd like to add my own spin on it.
In V4, Arthur Watts alluded to Salem and her minions dealing with Silver Eyes in the past and this point was confirmed in later iterations such as V6CH7 with Tock and her pawns targeting a young Maria Calavera in her prime and even the Warrior from the Warrior in the Woods tale in the upcoming Fairy Tales From Remnant.
So itâs my understanding that Salem and her pawns have been ruthlessly hunting and killing the Silver Eyes for many generations due to their unique ability to stop the Grimm.
But hereâs what I think. What ifâŚSalemâs scars were as a result on an encounter with ONE Silver Eyed Warrior and not as a result of her dealing with many over the years?
Despite hunting their kind for so long, what ifâŚthere has only been one Silver Eyed Warrior who has come close to even touching Salem and those scars are the lasting impression that that particular Silver Eye left on Salem as a relic of what that power can actually do to her.
What if⌠Salem got her scars from Summer Rose?
 Even though Salem succeeded in killing Summer (as alluded to in V7CH10), what ifâŚanother Summer Rose secret is the revelation of the way to stop Salem---a feat that Summer left in the hands of her daughter.
I know this is only a hunch but I really do like the thought of Summer Rose being the one who inflicted those types of wounds on Salem, revealing the witchâs own fallibility in a sense. Itâs not a bad concept but for now itâs just another one for the table of possibilities.
Another Salem-inspired RWBY headcanon of mine is that the Silver Eye power will actually purify Salem of the effects of the Grimm Pools, thus severing her connection to the Grimm. What I find unique about Salem is that she is a being who has been touched by both light and darkness. Light made her immortal while Darkness gave her reign over the Creatures of Grimm.
If my hunch about the silver eyes being a remnant of the Fountain of Life and Creation is correct then Salem being hit with the power of a Silver Eyed Warrior on full blast; as displayed by Ruby Rose during the Fall of Beacon, might be what finally âkillsâ the Wicked Witch of the West.Â
For me, I really like the concept of Rubyâs power cleansing Salem of the effects of the Grimm pools that corrupted her for so many years; reverting the immortal woman back to her original âlonely princessâ form from the Lost Fable.
Since the Grimm Pools hypothetically granted Salem the power to control the Grimm, then hypothetically the Silver Eyes---a power born from the Fountain of Light and Creation that negates darkness--- could potentially Salemâs connection to the pools thus severing her connection to the Grimm. Therefore Salem will no longer be able to command the Grimm. I think that a huge part of Salem being a threat to humanity stemmed from her sovereignty over the Grimm. She was even described as being their leader by Raven Branwen during V5.
ââŚI know the Grimm have a leaderâŚâ
That being said, if Salemâs power over the Grimm is taken away---if Salem is changed back to her former self then sheâll no longer be that big of a threat anymore because the thing that gave her reign will be gone for good. Salem the Lonely Princess may return but the Salem the Wicked Witch would be gone for good. Therefore---DING! DONG! The Wicked Witch whose ancient presence haunted Remnant for years will finally be dead!
As for the fate of the original Salem, Iâm still sticking to my guns on her receiving a redemption arc since according to the Lost Fable, Salem learning the error of her ways is the only way for her to lift her curse; allowing her to finally die peacefully.
The God of Light said just that. In the Lost Fable, the Brother Gods told Salem that the only way for her to reverse her curse is to learn how to value life.
 ââŚWhen you first came to me, I did pity you. But it is clear now that your selfishness and arrogance have led you astray.â
âWhat did you do to me?â
âI have made you immortal.â
âImmortal?â
âYou cannot die. You cannot be with your beloved.â
âSo long as this world turns, you shall walk its face.â
âYou must learn the importance of life and death. Only then may you rest.â
That is a lesson that Salem still has to learn and it honestly wonât surprise me if her story wouldnât officially conclude until she realises the very message the Brother Gods tried to impart on her. Thatâs my deduction with that.
So to conclude and reiterate my answer to your question---Iâd like to think that the final question of the Lamp of Knowledge will definitely be asked by Ruby. Her brief moment with Jinn from the V6 finale where Jinn warned her about summoning her without a question makes me believe that we will get a call-back to this at some point later in the story (hopefully).
Yâknow whatâs funny? I think in some odd way, Ruby already knows or has somehow figured out the answer to stop Salem herself. A part of me thinks that the one question Ruby both secretly wants and is dreading to have asked of Jinn is âWho can stop Salem?â because in a weird way, I think she already knows in her heart the answer and is fearing its reveal in a sense. Maybe.
In the RWBY Theme âRed Like Roses Part IIâ, there are two lines of the lyrics sung from both Summer and Rubyâs perspectives that makes me think this:
For Summer it was ââŚI didnât have a choice. I did what I had to do.  I made a sacrifice, but forced a bigger sacrifice on youâŚâ
And for Rubyâs side it was ââŚI know you didn't plan this. You tried to do what's right. But in the middle of this madness, I'm the one you left to win this fightâŚâ
ââŚI made a sacrifice, but forced a bigger sacrifice on youâŚâ
ââŚI'm the one you left to win this fightâŚâ
Knowing what I know now in regards to RWBYâs ongoing story, these lines really resonate with me. I know we were told not to take the RWBY themes seriously in respect to the story. However Red Like Roses Part II technically is the first and only RWBY theme where we actually got a sense of Summer Rose as a character.
Itâs the closest thing I have right now to knowing anything about her personality outside of the little things that other characters have sparingly said about her over the seasons and in the expanded universe novelizations.
Going off of this alone, I think what I can deduce is that Summer Rose made the choice to go after Salem herself in an attempt to stop her once and for all on her own. However Summer failed in killing Salem but not without leaving a last imprint that might just spark the key to ending the witchâs reign.
And soon, Ruby Rose will basically have to pick up where her mother left off. This is why I like the idea of Summer causing Salemâs scars. I think Summer set out to stop Salem by herself and unlike other Silver Eyed Warriors before her, Summer is the ONLY ONE who came close to actually stopping Salem. Not that she lived long enough to reveal this truth---a truth that will be revealed in time by Jinn (possibly).
And now Ruby, as Summerâs daughter and heir is left to take over where her mother left off and finish the job in a sense. At least thatâs my hunch.
Not quite sure if this long response post actually answered your questions Crystal but, like always I hope it does and feel free to please let me know if it does, fam.
Oh yes it did and what you said with Watts got me thinking and I thought, what if Pietro has a hand in getting Watts to change sides, it is clear him being picked by Ironwood is what caused Watts to join Salem and the two it is very clear a sort of Dr. Light and Dr. Wily style of relationship is between the two scientists. So what if it Pietro or by proxy Penny is the one to convince Watts to help, maybe revealing somthing about Penny was based on an idea Watts had.
Yes! Thatâs a great idea Crystal. Yâknow what I just realized, does Pietro know what Arthur Watts is alive?
I canât recall if there was ever any confirmation in the series that anyone else knew about this detail besides our heroes, the General and everyone else who was in the room when Weiss came bargaining with the evidence to support that Jacques was conspiring with the so-called deceased Arthur Watts. Correct me if Iâm wrong.
Either way, I wonder what Pietro would say if he learnt that Watts was alive and got the chance to speak with him. This also makes me curious about what their history was like since, for now, the one character who seemed to share anything remotely resembling a relationship with Watts is General Ironwood.
You don't get a line like "You chose that fat imbecile over me!" without a there being some kind of previous history behind it. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Ironwood and Watts used to close friends with a bond that probably dates back to their youth. As a matter of fact, I wonder if part of the reason Watts was able to manipulate and tear down Ironwood's defences so easily was due in part to the mad doctor knowing the General so well due to them being close in the past. And given their confrontation inside Amity Arena, Iâm curious to know if Watts used to be someone close to Ironwood that he trusted and held highly. Sort of like what if⌠Watts used to be like another Ozpin to Ironwood to some degree---someone close to him who he generally butted heads given their stances on certain things but otherwise greatly respected for their intelligence and ingenuity and sincerely saw as a dear friend. Â
I'm not sure if V8 will touch more on Wattâs past with Ironwood but I hope it does since there is so much more there that we can gather. Second to Hazel, Watts is another villain in Salemâs arm whose backstory Iâm interested in learning more about; particularly pertaining to his connection to the General.
I also like your concept of either Pietro or Penny appealing to Wattsâ humanity. I also like your idea of either Polendina swaying the mad doctor into aiding them and the people of their kingdom in their time of need against Salem.
Given your hunch, imagine if...Pietro used to admire Watts a lot for his talents. Perhaps Watts used to be seen as a revered scientist in Atlas known for his ingenious technological strides that contributed to the kingdomâs advancement. I like your concept of Pietro being a humble old man who took inspiration from someone like Watts. We usually get stories where itâs the young whom admire the old for their victories and wisdom hailing from their many years of experience in their aspiring fields. Very rarely (at least for me) do we see the opposite scenario where we have the old admiring the young and wishing to achieve the things that they were accomplish in a few short years.
Imagine ifâŚall Pietro had was his little shop down in Mantle but it wasnât until he saw Watts (and received some encouragement from the local people of Mantle who he has helped with his own creations) that he finally got the motivation to try and pitch his ideas to Atlas.
Despite their age differences, imagine ifâŚWatts was the one who inspired Pietro to take a chance on his project with Penny. Imagine ifâŚseeing Watts and learning of his victories finally gave Pietro the push he needed to pursue his own goals.
Even better, imagine ifâŚPietro was the âveteran grandpaâ in a class of âtalented toddlersâ; basically. I like the idea of Pietro being the oldest member among the scientists on Ironwoodâs team inclusive of Watts and because of this, Pietro was worried that his concept wouldâve never been picked given his age and how different his idea was compared to his associates. Iâm even imagining it being a case where Watts was probably the most respected of Ironwoodâs team given his tremendous talent and connection to Ironwood. So much so that Iâm picturing a scenario where Watts probably looked down on Pietro---perhaps he may have even offered the older man some condescending words of disapproval that probably discouraged him at times.
 Basically Iâm just picturing Watts being an arrogant bastard to Pietroâs humble and compassionate nature. Now I wish we could've gotten some kind of Ironwood Character Trailer or some equivalent that delved deeper into Ironwood's past and character including his relationships with other Atlesian characters such as Watts and Pietro respectively. Perhaps we could even touch base on Ironwoodâs history with Winter---how they first met through Jacques and what encouraged Winter to put her fate in the General. I really feel like we need these stories right now. Perhaps V8 could be the season to deliver on it. Who knows, yâknow?
Hey so this is my opinion but love to hear your take but I feel Watts might be Salem's more dangerous follower (for where the heroes are now) given he is been able to fly under the rader of the heroes unditected, able to make artifical tail of Tyrieon giving his deadly venom back and is able to hack into all of ATLAS Tech. He might not have any proper fighting skill but when he can have access to anything in a city in love with it's tech, he's the ideal sabatour.
Hello again Crystal. Complements of the season to you, fam! To answer your question, you are indeed correct in that regard. While Tyrian and Hazel are both worthy threats based on their strength, Watts being the mastermind in Salemâs army is why I find him the most interestingof her accomplices.
Youâre right. While Watts doesnât have the muscle power to hold his own in a fight, he does have the wits and the charisma to worm himself out of any tricky scenario. I have a great deal of admiration for that type of villain. I mean having power is great and all but a villain who is still able to succeed through clever tactics and the strength of their own mind by manipulating others into doing their bidding makes for a more compelling adversary in my book.
A part of me is looking forward to learning more about Wattsâ backstory. Particularly his background with Ironwood and Pietro. After CH7 dropped and we got the reveal that Watts used to be one of Pietroâs colleagues, I made a tweet over on Twitter asking the following questions:
Since Pietroâs introduction, weâve seen him walking around in his mobile wheelchair. A part of me has been curious about Pietroâs inability to walk.Â
Has he always been physically disabled and worked past his impairment with his mind orâŚwas it a result of a horrible accident meant to destroy him?
The impression I got from Pietroâs story was since his Penny project was chosen by Ironwood above the others, a jealous-minded Arthur Watts became infuriated by this and sought out to sabotage Pietroâs project while taking his revenge out on Ironwood and all of Atlas in the process.
A part of me wondered if Wattsâ alleged âdeathâ was caused by him attempting to ruin Pietro in a move that claimed the lives of Pietroâs other colleagues as well as costed him his legs orâŚwere Pietroâs former colleagues actually accomplices of Watts who he manipulated into helping him thwart Pietroâs project which resulted in everyone else dying except Watts?
Iâm very curious about that. Watts has been shown to have a way with words. So Iâm wondering if part of the reason why Salem sought after him was, not just for his mind, but also his ability to charm others into doing whatever he wants like her.
I really, really hope we get like some kind of flashback episode or explanation revealing Pennyâs âbirthâ, Wattsâ descent and supposed death and more importantly, how Watts met Salem. Iâm wondering if it was actually Tyrian who scouted Watts on Salemâs behalf. I remember reading through the enhanced report on Tyrian with details on his backstory and how he met Salem. I find it incredibly fascinating how Salem and chooses her allies.
It shows just how much Salem has eyes everywhere. Like how did she know about Tyrian? How did she know about Watts to pick him of all people? Seriously I hope we get some background information on Wattsâ story. I think I need that to be its own little episode by itself that jumps between the present and the past (in a similar fashion to the Kunoyuri episode from V4). But thatâs just what Iâm hoping for.
For now, yeah, Watts is Salemâs most intimidating accomplice and pairing him together with Tyrian to work together in Atlas was an even deadlier combination.
Colour me intrigued for whatâs next to come in V7CH9. Are we going to receive a continuation of the events of CH8? Or will be similar to the start of CH7 where all we see is the aftermath?
Weiss once commented back in V7CH3 that without aura or proper heating, the cold of Solitas can kill the average individual in a matter of minutes. So is that whatâs going to happen for the remaining five episodes?
Is it going to be a race against the clock to restore heat to Mantle before itâs too late while evacuating as much citizens up to Atlas as possible orâŚis Ironwood just going to return from his meeting with the Council at the Schnee Dinner to reports of multiple Mantlese citizens found frozen to death in the streets of Mantleâchildren as well as adultsâas a result of the heatinggrid (or whatever itâs called) shutting down on Ironwoodâs watch.
Whatâs stopping Jacques from pinning the blame for that incident on Ironwood yet again?
 I bet Jacques is just waiting right now to blame James allocating resources to the Amity Tower project that couldâve been used to better Mantle and prevent this unexpected issue.
Overall, CH9 will be a very interesting episode to watch. Moreover, Iâm curious to know what else does Watts have planned to further ruin Ironwoodâs integrity with the People of Mantle and Atlas in preparation for Salemâs inevitable arrival.
I still feel as if Wattsâ plan is strip Ironwood of all his power so that Jacques can take his place; controlling both the kingdom and its military since I think Jacques will personally see to it that James loses all of his power including his authority within the military with Winter possibility being appointed as his temporary replacement or perhaps itâll be Clover.
This also makes me wonder if this will be the part where Clover ends up âbetrayingâ Ironwood.Â
While I like Clover as a character, the impression that Iâve mostly heard with him from the FNDM is that he could potentially be a traitor working with Watts.
While Iâm not sure about the traitor part, I do stand by the concept of Clover switching sides and not really catering for loyalty anymore once James is taken out of power. After all, Clover (and by extension all of the Ace Ops) is nothing more than an attack dog trained to serve whoever is in charge without any real personal attachments, correct?
Despite voicing that he trusts Ironwood with his life, I canât help but shake the icky feeling in my gut that Clover only trusts Ironwood due to his authority and status within the Atlas community. So the instant thatâs stripped away from James, so goes Cloverâs respect for him.
Like Iâm just picturing Jacques usurping James, relinquishing him of his status as Headmaster of Atlas Academy and General of the Atlas Military and demanding his immediate arrest and Clover just goes along with it.Â
And not as a ruse either. He just arrests James without hesitation, even going so far as to say that his duty is to serve his kingdom and since James was a current threat to his kingdom, he had no choice but to follow orders. Even if they were coming from someone like Jacques. Or who knows? Perhaps this could be a moment of character development for Clover? Something he and Qrow can have conflict with.
What matters more in the end? Loyalty out of duty or loyalty out of friendship?
Perhaps this could be something for Qrow to teach/advise Clover about for a change and it could FINALLY be what reminds him of his relationship with Oz.Â
Because what I just realized is Qrow and Cloverâs similarities in terms of their relationships with the men they respect and serve.Â
While Clover seems to follow Ironwood and trust him out of a sense of duty and respect, Qrow followed Oz out of...possibly admiration and friendship?
Because at the end of the day, I think thatâs what hurt Qrow the most. He didnât just lose his faith in someone he just blindly served. He lost the trust of someone he obviously cared alot about. A man he was proud to call his friend once upon a time.
I actually would really like for this subplot to happen now just for the sake of having it lead into Qrow being reminded of his relationship with Oz and what it meant to him more than just having someone who gave him a good purpose in the world despite being dealt such a heavy hand.
So thereâs that concept. Anyways, thatâs enough theorizing and jibberjabbering from me for now. I guess weâll see how things will go when V7 resumes for the new year. Unless Forest of #FRWBY got anything cool to drop for us before that.