I've seen references to "skeletons deformed from long-time corset wearing" on display in the Mutter museum, used as a gotcha! by some people who try to refute the notion that corsets weren't necessarily these "evil patriarchal torture devices".
I know that debunking these myths about corsets "evil patriarchal torture devices" is something you're known for, so I hope its OK to ask for your opinion on the Mutter skeletons. Is there any truth to the claim that the skeleton on the left has been damaged by corset-wearing?
oh geez this again. yeah there's more to it than that
the long and short of it is that assumptions of "corset deformity" in skeletons often don't control for other possibilities- rickets, injuries during the person's life that healed strangely, etc. because they usually...just can't. anatomical skeletons from eras when corsets were widely used don't generally come with the person's entire medical history; very few if any researchers have ever gotten permission to interact with the bodies of women from those eras about whom we have a lot of info, because those women are slumbering peacefully under their marble angels and "sacred to the memory of" stones. study skeletons are generally those of the extremely poor, criminals, people who went unidentified in death, inmates of disreputable charity hospitals and mental health facilities, enslaved people (depending on the sub-era), and so on
compounding the difficulty further, even if you DO know who an individual body was and what their life was like, you might still not have a full medical history- or at least not full enough for a modern medical professional to make a call like that
it's very unlikely that you'd ever have enough information to know for certain that a specific skeletal deformity was due to corseting rather than any other factor
on top of that, the question, I feel, should not be "do corsets move ribs?" (yes, the floating ones- but those are meant to move; pregnancy also does that) but "so what?"
lots of things human beings do to our bodies alter them from a 100% natural state. would the bottoms of your feet be as soft if you never wore shoes? would your teeth be as straight if you never had braces? many humans put HOLES in their EARS just to hang ornaments from! other places, too! and yet none of that alarms us, even if the alteration is permanent, because it doesn't impact one's ability to live one's life
sure, tightlacing on a regular basis could probably make it hard to do some things, and corsets- like all clothing -change the way you move in certain capacities. but images like this wouldn't exist if every woman wearing a corset in any way at all was crippled by skeletal deformation:
so the question you should ask yourself when you see a claim based on a skeleton that it's of a Victorian woman deformed by corseting are:
do we have any way of being SURE that her bones were altered by her corset and no other factor?
if they WERE shifted around by her corset...was that actually the horrifying debilitating deformity people are claiming?
(and if it's those early 20th century x-ray corset photos, add "do we have any way of knowing if this was a typical use-case for this woman?" and the answer is "no, the photographer neglected to note that down")
the Mutter Museum, unless they note the woman's entire comprehensive medical history on the sign and even then given that we don't have much primary source evidence to support a severe quality of life difference, on average, for most corset-wearers throughout history on that basis, is making sweeping generalizations based on unsound research standards
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You said its a problem that being men doesn't matter for male victims in hazbin and helluva, this was in an ask that focuses on Angel dust and Fizz, so I would like you to elaborate on how male experiences of abuse, and especially exploitation in the sex industry doffers from the female experiences.
To be as short and blunt as possible, the issue isn't inherently with the way the male victims behave, but rather with how the shows frame victimhood as synonymous with femininity by removing their masculinity as the first step to victimizing them. There is no list of ways to do a male victim right. But Hazbin/Helluva are examples of how to do it wrong that is less about the character behavior and more about the failure of themes, nonexistent internal narratives the characters believe or see themselves through, and a lack of identity exploration in the works themselves.
I do want to clarify that when I discuss concepts like Masculinity and Femininity in characters and narrative, it is not from the position of stereotypes, but rather defining what is femininity and masculinity on an individual basis to the character being discussed and having the character's own self definition be the lens they experience the world through.
As a writer, many people highlight the Alien series with Ripley as "women written well" and often flatten that idea to the fact that the original character of Ripley was written as a man with virtually non-existent changes made to the script when Weaver was cast for the role. But that isn't what happened. While the script itself didn't see a major overhaul for the character, the directing and visual storytelling did.
Ripley in the Alien franchise is repeatedly portrayed as empathetic and maternal. She isn't devoid of emotion, she isn't manly, and she isn't masculine. The direction around her character became highlighting maternal protectiveness and not the typical "brothers in arms" or "paternal attachment" the story would have had if she were a man. While the text hardly changed, the texture of the story is drastically different on screen.
The themes changed.
So when I discuss how abuse affects men differently than women, I'm not talking about it from a biological perspective but how men vs women construct their perception of the world and how that affects their internal sense of self. This is what it means to say gender is a construct.
So when I look at Angel Dust and the abuse he experiences in Medrano's shows, how he reacts does not feel like it goes further than trope deep. He's every Pretty Woman AU fanfiction you can find where male characters are forced into hyper femme roles in order to be victims. Which has this implication that masculinity cannot be victimized at all.
And the sad part is that many people default to this sort of thinking. In a world where patriarchy is dominant culture - where you can't even provide for yourself without having to take into account how male dominance is going to affect you at a job of choice - it's easy to think all men are solely benefactors of this arrangement. And the hard reality is that men are also victims of patriarchy.
Regardless of sexual orientation or race, men are still victims, but in ways that are more internally impressed than externally imposed. Meanwhile, female oppression is more often externally imposed than internally impressed.
So when I say that Fizzarolli's and Angel Dust's abuse doesn't ever feel masculine, it's because it highjacks female social experiences to make male characters victims. Neither Fizz nor Angel Dust struggled with internalized ideas of what it means to be a victim. Every man in this show who is a classified "bottom" can't even cry without their tears being tainted with black mascara.
One of my deepest grievances in Helluva Boss between Ozzie's and The Circus was how Fizzarolli was distinctly masculine in season 1. His attitude and animation favored this more abrasive, masculine lewdness with small flairs of queer non-conformity. But he still existed on a foundation of masculinity which the second season instantly deflated to making him waifish and small. So much so that Medrano even asserts that any masculine traits are wholly performative while he is actually hyper femme.
Because she thinks victimhood and Femininity are one in the same.
The same thing happens with Angel Dust. And there is something more nuanced to be said about him, because unlike Fizzarolli who was portrayed as very masculine early on, Angel has always been portrayed as an effeminate man. He has always been a flamboyantly gay drag queen, even before the pilot was in production.
But he never felt helpless which balanced out his character. Previously, whenever he was sexualized, Angel Dust was never just a sexual body. Medrano used to balance his sensuality with danger. Even when in drag, Angel would have a wicked smirk and had an aura of control, similar to Fizzarolli's early masculine energy but uniquely textured by the fact that Angel was always portrayed to be a softer person in private while Fizzarolli had the feeling of being an angrier person.
And that's where I highlight the narrative between the two as not just men who are not surrogate women, but also how their masculinity appears. Going back to what I said earlier, male oppression is often internalized. Angel Dust being a softer person in private doesn't make him less manly, but allowed his character to not have those same internalized triggers to his character. He knows who he is and is comfortable with himself, but also exists in a hyper masculine, hypersexual space where people's eyes on him change who he is. He's a man who doesn't conform to the idea of what a man is in a strict sense, but also knows how to play up the persona that will keep him safe, even in his femininity. That's a complete person.
Meanwhile, Fizzarolli does have internalized pressures. Even in Oops and the Mammon special, we are explicitly told Fizz struggles with his own self concept as much as he struggles with other people's expectations. And that is where the concept of masculine expressions of emotion comes in.
Now this is fairly anecdotal, but I do encourage people to look deeper into biology and sociology when writing about other groups of people.
On testosterone, it's well documented to be physically harder to cry. Testosterone affects the production of tears on a biological level, not that men don't cry or shouldn't cry, but crying for masc coded characters should be treated as more narratively impactful and used more sparingly.
But if your masc characters are going to cry less, how do you express emotions as a man? Small acts of service to express affection or desire. Controlling patterns like rigid routines or strategic planning as a means of feeling in control. Shutting down or explosive anger as a means of self-protection. When it comes to sharing emotions, masculine coded behavior will look more like trying to make sense of a problem rather than venting or overt validation seeking.
And these are stereotypical, I will confess. But that is why a character's internal narratives are so important to balance this out from pure trope. It's a starting place, but it's born from social conditioning and in child development, social conditioning is more than just what other people expect you to be. It is the conflict of identity formation as a practice. It is our story as well as the answer to "who are you". It is the core of identity, which is fluid and evolving until we die. So that narrative is what takes the general concept of what we think "masculine" and "feminine" are and change it from gender to personal identity. It's why I highlight that Angel is a soft person behind closed doors but expresses himself as more stereotypically queer masc even when that queerness could be called femme in older depictions.
While female narratives are fundamentally different. Women in society experience femininity through the complimentary role. Conditioned to find pride in service to others, identity in accomplishments and relationships, and the expectations of femininity are hinged more on those relationships with others than with the self. And female victim narratives are mainly about self-empowerment and centering oneself in opposition to the abuse.
But in VICTIM narratives, both masc and femme characters will experience vulnerability as more like a threat. It is a risk to be vulnerable, and the cost of vulnerability is more overt.
The avoidance of emotional vulnerability is a staple of victim stories, but masculine stories are more internalized narratives: Pride, identity, control, expectations of masculinity they individually hold for themselves (what does it mean to them to be a man).
Meanwhile male conditioning already centers men.
So if female victimhood is all about finding oneself and deconstructing the conditioning that facilitates the victimization and oppression of women, then male victimhood is the tension between the internalized narrative of masculine identity being deconstructed or exploited against their will.
And I think that gendered difference shows up best in the difference between how Brandon Rogers writes Blitz and how Medrano writes Stolas. Look at how Blitz processes his emotions in Ghostfuckers vs how Stolas processes his emotions in New Moon and Apology Tour. One is distinctly a masculine experience (projection, deflection, escapism, control) and the other is cookie cutter feminine (emotional disclosure seeking validation, expression over structure, control is more abstract and externalized).
And I don't mean to say these are the only ways to express masculinity, nor is this an exhaustive explanation, more a general beginning idea on how to approach something like gendered expression in media. Just like gender in real life, it is a complex and unique patchwork of internal and external relationships between the self, the other, and expectations. And the important part is to center the character's relationship with and expectations for themselves over what is stereotypically or traditionally seen as masculine or feminine.
It isn't uniquely masculine to seek to remedy fear with control. But the ways men and women attain a sense of control or define control are going to be different, if not in definition they will experience different external (or internal) barriers to obtaining that control and that is how they will feel more feminine or more masculine in behavior.
On the other side, themes are how we emotionally connect to characters and their stories. We understand fictional people through the flavor and texture of their stories, not solely the text. And gendered experiences are thematic by nature and Medrano has never been one to get themes.
Ive come across the opinion that Verosika wasnt the victims in her relationship with Blitzo, and that she "probably tried to coerce" him into more commitment when he wanted to be casual, because he's so blunt most of the time.
Additionally there are some ppl who dislike her because she SA'd Moxxie and her anti Blitzo party makes her look obsessive.
While I can understand why they feel that way, I strongly disagree that Verosika was the one in the wrong and if the show absolved Blitzo of his actions towards her and reveals that he was the "true victim" that would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
Wha is your opinion on this take?
Hmm...no, I definitely think she was the victim in the relationship based on what we know about their time together. I don't like the "They probably did X or Y, let's take it as fact that they did" song and dance.
Verosika's a pretty awful person herself, especially with Apology Tour but even long beforehand, given what she did to Moxxie. But Blitz still stole her credit card and sent her into debt. That's worse than her being pushy about commitment.
According to the ht wiki, Martha's profession is "home maker" or "house wife". Do you think this is an accurate description of her role in the castle during her marriage? Personally I dislike it as i feel its projecting 1950s gender roles onto vampires far older than that.
Well... I doubt that everything written on the wiki should be taken as canon. Much of what we don't know, we can come up with ourselves.
I don't understand why this can't be a description of her role. A lot is unknown about Martha. It IS quite possible that she was a housewife. This is just the default information that everyone can change to suit their tastes. My Martha would have become a doctor if she hadn't died.
And I don't understand at all what the gender roles of the 1950s have to do with it. It's a fictional universe for crying out loud. Besides, at the time when Martha lived, they could have been the same. Historical accuracy is not always necessary.
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In the reblogs of your post about Israel knowingly hiding the Bibas' family being dead, theres a zionist who justifies Israel acting as if they are alive, saying that the Bibas themselves have demanded the Israeli gov to act as if their family members are alive "until there's solid evidence" and that the hostage Daniella Gilboa was forced to pretend to be dead.
I've looked her up and found an article saying that Gilboa's mother has stated this, but no statement from Daniella herself.
If its OK, can I ask for your opinion on these justifications?
totally ok to ask my opinion on whatever!
ultimately, if the reports are right, and they weren’t killed in an airstrike- they were still reported dead. israel said they would investigate this, releases no more information, then came back and said its looking bleak.
it makes sense for the government to act as if they’re still alive in terms of rescue and recovery. it crosses a line when you use faces of children to fuel your revolution, reduce a civilization to rubble, and continue to ignore/deny aid to the children your soldiers are directly killing.
this argument is usually rebutted with “those kids were hand murdered! the arab children were casualties! it’s different!” to which i say 1) it really isn’t and 2) even if it was, it’s factually untrue. there are many news reports of IDF soldiers shooting, killing, and denying direct care to palestinian children. to pretend like they all died in war casualties is ignorant. several of those kids were purposefully murdered for the crime of being palestinian.
as for daniella. i don’t know. we don’t know. no one knows. her mother is not her. whether that means she is so traumatized she’s asked her mother to speak on her behalf. whether that means her mother chose to embellish things. you can theorize it being in either end of the spectrum. but at the end of the day. daniella’s mother is not daniella.
clearly it was true to some extent. we don’t have the full reports. it’s daniella’s story, not ours.
working with the information you have but hoping for the best is a common tactic. “we have the information that this person is dead but we will hope that is untrue and try to get them back” is a fine and morally sound direction! but that’s not how israel was behaving!
we get called out on “whataboutisms” for pointing out the double standard in how no one cared about arab children who were murdered. i do care about the israeli children that were murdered. no kids should be murdered in war. what we say is… that is the difference. “we care about the kids, you don’t.” it is not whataboutisms. mind you- whenever i make posts like this— posts that validly criticize israel’s militia (as well as their people who are brainwashed by their government to believe their militia is doing good) i get hit with actual “whataboutisms” on what about when hamas did this? what about when hamas did that?
like yes. i know. and it was bad. that’s the problem. they fail to realize that im aware. they think im some hamasnik because the thought of someone— no— a jew, disliking israel on its own is so foreign to them. they have lost all connection to their tribe
i don’t need to dedicate my time to pointing out hamas’ actions are bad as well. we are aware of that. we aren’t, apparently, aware enough of israel’s hypocrisy. that’s why i do what i do. im not a journalist. im not a news outlet. im a human being.
but frankly i’ve been moving away from it a bit. the people who support israel will never be wavered by my words. they will only seethe and wretch over me. they’re not worth my time anymore. i will continue to speak out but i have no reason to personally engage anymore with the few blogs that obsessively read over every word i write and try to find a way to make it seem like im a jew faker, or antisemitic, or just straight up twist my words on purpose to make me sound like im the ignorant one. it’s not worth my time. i read how they interpreted me and im confident enough to see just how wildly ignorant they are that i would laugh if it wasn’t so sad.
but tldr: israel took things way too far. there’s no world where using kids to justify airstrikes, shootings, bombings, is the right and sound thing to do. family request or not. daniela hasn’t said anything herself that i know of. so i won’t comment on her story. victims of this war on every side has been through enough and it’s so fucking weird seeing everyone behave so fucked up over war victims. as for the people who comment hatefully and read me wrong on purpose: i couldn’t care less any more than i do now. they are making fools of themselves.
Is Beckett meant to be a poc (in vtmb)? I think so based on his facial features and his skin being a light shade of brown. But he was born in Britain during the 1700s-1600s which makes being non-white a lot less likely (though there were poc even back then).
This is an interesting question, @chinesegal! Thank you for your patience with me answering it. I was traveling, but now I'm back!
When I look at Beckett in Bloodlines, I interpret him as a white British man. But a lot can change depending on what mods one uses to make the game work. For example, this Beckett...
...looks much less pale than this Beckett:
One must also factor in Bloodlines' poor lighting. As any visual artist trying to figure out Sebastian LaCroix's hair color will tell you, the lighting in VTMB is a terrible, mercurial beast. The dingy lighting certainly aides the grimy, uncertain atmosphere, but poor fan artists struggle.
The last sticky point I can think of is how all the Kindred characters are supposed to have a "deathly pallor," especially if they have lower Humanity. Deathly pallor can muck up skin tone wonderfully. I think Strauss would be the best example. He's an older Kindred (LA by Night states he was at the Convention of Thorns in 1493) and made a gargoyle (which involves torture), so he's definitely on the lower end of the Humanity scale. According to VtM's lore, Strauss has trouble maintaining a lively, human appearance. Some fans interpret him as white and often point to his white voice actor, Jim Ward. Others remark on Strauss' resemblance to Morpheus from The Matrix Trilogy, cite the deathly pallor lore, and interpret him as a Black man with graying skin. As in, Strauss looks closer to what a Black man's corpse would look like. The deathly pallor factor allows for this interpretation, and in the gap can nicely fit Cuthbert Beckett. He's an Elder Kindred and has had periods of low Humanity. Maybe he's brown and has been through the wringer.
VtM has a tenuous relationship with history, but if you want to check in with it, real life history doesn't obstruct an interpretation of Beckett as Black or brown. British people have had black or brown skin since forever, as you referenced. The oldest Englishman, Mesolithic era Cheddar man's skin is possibly darker than the reconstruction suggests. Ya gotta remember that white skin came to be because people weren't getting enough Vitamin D. If Beckett is descended from the indigenous Celtic Britons (unlikely but possible), his ancestors might not have been malnourished and lived somewhere the sun could penetrate the mists of Avalon.
So like, given all the above, you can definitely argue that Beckett's a Black or brown British guy. Whatever floats your boat.
That wasn't exactly your question, however. You asked if Beckett's meant to be a person of color or white. This implies you want to know the devs' original intention with the game, which I guess at being Beckett as a white man.
Beckett has been described as white in past White Wolf publications. Or rather, not described, because white is default skin tone in so many works, very unfortunately. In the Victorian Trilogy, much is made of Halim Bey, Theo Bell, and Hesha Ruhadze's black skin, but Beckett's skin tone gets no comment. He's "a long-haired man" with a "wolfish grin one might imagine on a privateer from a past age," (The Wounded King, pg 123-125). Someone describes him as "a pauper's version of Buffalo Bill Cody," (197). When his lover Emma disrobes him, the text notes "his feline pupil slits [and] amber irises," (pg 204). Special attention is paid to Beckett's hands: "dark hair, slick like sable covered the back of his hand, fading to a more human-seeming growth on his forearms" and "His fingers were longer than a man's should be, and the nails were hard and thick like a dog's," (ibid). In Year of the Scarab Trilogy's Land of the Dead, he describes himself with "lean, muscular physique [with] round smoked glasses [hinting] at a pretty boy slumming," (pg 101). By the absence of skin tone description, by the unfortunate reality that white skin is seen as default and therefore unworthy of comment, we can infer that Beckett is white. That's to say nothing of the Vampire: the Masquerade - Beckett comic, which depicts him as white. I wouldn't give the VTMB developers the grace or credit to suddenly deter from this character history.
After all, these are the same devs that failed to come up with a story with Chinese people that wasn't Yellow Peril drivel, created a white PC with "locs," declined to brown Nines' skin, and made Skelter imply that Black Americans make up their own oppression. Just like, all of Chinatown is hard for Chinese and Japanese players to get through. Even by 2004 standards, it's real shitty. With these other missteps, it's hard to imagine they'd have the creativity to re-design Beckett as brown or Black. I think they meant him to be interpreted as white.
But you don't have to! Death to the authors! In your fan art, fan casts, picrew, fanfic, chronicles etc, he can be brown, Black, indigenous, or whatever ethnicity bees your knees. You create the Beckett reality in your Beckett-loving head.
Thank you again for the ask, and I hope the essay made the wait worth it!
Hi, I love your art and characters! Can you tell me about Laistrygon?
hey, thank you, I'm glad you enjoy them!
and UHHHH I've done a few lore dumps:
his spooky moon powers
character relationships
basic lore from his toyhouse profile
long story short, he's a giant sorcerer and alchemist who appears cold and calculating, at least on most part, he can have a dark sense of humour. of course, he isn't always a giant, he can change his size as he pleases.
a lot of his appeal for me comes form his mysterious vibe, who knows who or what he is and where he came from, he's this ominous being who appears in people's dreams or as a ghostly silhouette near the horizon at full moon. maybe you passed by him in a crowd. what does he do? what is his ultimate goal? who knows for sure.