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“ Team Spike coming out STRONG. Where are our Angel supporters?

We do love a good brooding vampire...  “

Comics Talk + Spoilers about Buffy 10x21 from page 313

I found this quote on my files days ago, I completely forgot that I had it (-and actually even forgot that I once read it!) :

“IF I HAD TO WRITE THE FINAL BUFFY STORY, I WOULD… Spend years agonizing over it and ultimately disappoint probably 50 percent of the people who read it. A lot of guys would go out disappointing 70 percent, but I’m gonna make half the people really happy. The other half are gonna be pissed. ‘Cause Buffy clearly is gonna end up with… [Simulating static] I’m sorry, you’re breaking up. [Simulating static]" ~ Joss Whedon, 2007 (Wizarduniverse.com Interview)

http://www.whedon.info/Joss-Whedon-Buffy-Season-8-Comic,21060.html

I often see fans saying that Joss will never end the Spuffy/Bangel debate and always play on both sides, but here, he seemed to be open to the possibility of making the story go forward with one of them (even if he was just kidding for the interview, which is also a possibility, haha).

Besides, I have to admit that I believe that if he wants to give to his story and Buffy's character some realistic development (from an emotional point of view, I mean), he has to make her relationships (with men more notably) evolve/mature, and maybe make her settle with someone. The Spike/Angel topic would need to be resolve, at least for a while. It doesn't mean that it would be "for life" or forever, but at least for a serious period of time, the thematic/opposition between the two relationship would need to be resolved. At this period of time, the Buffy & Angel relationship is based on... memories, essentially. The only -short- times they saw each other, it was just a quick meet (Forever, Chosen) or it didn't go well (the Twilight arc)... If the intention is, one day, to make them have a serious relationship again, I personally think that they would *need* to overpass their past relationship/teenage kind of love, to evolve into something different, which requires time and a presence in other's life. They can't jump from what they had in the first seasons to getting back together. That's a matter of personal opinion, of course, but I believe their past relationship needs to be closed, and if anything new was happening, it would *have* to be something new and different. As long as it isn't done, I simply don't believe in the potential of any kind of Bangel relationship. And I highly doubt Joss will go there without a prior long development, like we are having with Spuffy.

That' why I'm particularly glad with the recent developments for Spuffy, because that's something that was brought progressively (the end of season 8, the 10 first issues of season 9, and now season 10). They wouldn't be so long and meticulous if they weren't taking it seriously.

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Ok, here I go. First, I wanna apologize for my English, because it's quite bad (I'm Russian). I was really impressed (in a bad way) by the comments most of Spike haters make all over the internet. All of those comments seem to be very alike: "Spike was bad, while Angel was good". I could never understand this statement. Let's see: We have two soulless vampires. Angelus and Spike. They both where bad. Yes. Vampires are bad. Sorry, Stephenie Mayer. But even soulless Spike had more humanity than soulless Angel: when Angelus became a vampire, he killed all his family, while Spike tried to save his mother by turning her, because she was sick. Spike took care of Dru and loved her to pieces while Angelus awfully treated Darla. Now lets see what Angelus did to Buffy: he used a psychological terror on her, he killed Jenny, he tortured Giles, he tried to kill Buffy's mom (a person Buffy loved more than anyone in this world) while soulless Spike tried to protect Dawn even if it could coast him life. Soulless Spike let Glory torture him and was ready to die just not to "leave Buffy in pain". Buffy could have never known about his sacrifice if he had died during the torture. Soulless Spike took care of Dawn even after Buffy's death, because he promised her that. A soulless vampire keeps a promise given to a slayer. Buffy's dead, no one to impress. But he still keeps his promise. And it had nothing to do with his chip. Can you imagine Angelus act like this, even if he had a chip? Can you imagine what could have happened if Glory had caught Angelus instead of Spike? Angelus would have probably told everything he knew about Buffy's life, helped Glory to kill Buffy's family and then Buffy herself... And no way Angelus would ever fight to death to bring his soul back for the one he loves. Anyway, soulless Angel caused Buffy so much pain that soulless Spike didn't even come close to. Why do some people use things soulless Spike did against Spike with a soul? Same people don't use all those terrible things Angelus did against Angel or Bangel. Why? Because Angel had two names? Should we call soulless Spike "Spikelus" then?.. Spike and Spuffy haters always use an attempted rape in Season 6 against Spike fans. Again, in season 6 it was soulless Spike. A soulless vampire ALMOST did a bad thing yet stopped, went to fight to death to get his soul back and did everything to gain Buffy's forgiveness. Spike haters say: "What a monster!" Angel with a soul slitted his son's throat and refused of his own child, because this child had mental problems he couldn't deal with. Spike haters say: "What a hero!" They say that Angel did it "for his son's sake". Really? It's an excuse all the bad fathers use for ages. The worst thing was that only a couple of hours after that Angel goes to Sunnydale and seems to be all joky and jealousy and looks like he only cared about Buffy dating or not dating Spike... Spike was horrified by the fact that he could "hurt a girl", he went hell knows where and fought to death to bring his soul back. The only vampire in history who did that. And did this for the one he loved. In season 3 when Angel was hurt by a poisoned arrow and only slayer's blood could cure him, Buffy only had to smack him a couple of times due to get him angry and he was totally out of control. Angel with a soul had nearly killed Buffy by drinking her blood. And he didn't stop like soulles Spike. Angel with a soul let Darla and Dru kill people. Angel with a soul headed Wolfram and Hart and communicated with demons who killed innocent. No way Angel was ever better than Spike. I don't hate Angel (he's one of my favorite characters and I'm a very big fan of David Boreanaz), but what I really can't stand is double standards. Another thing Spike haters use against soulful Spike is that he didn't say sorry for killing Robin Wood's mother. (By the way, Angel wasn't that sorry about Jenny and he didn't stand on his neas bagging Giles to forgive him for killing the love of his life). Spike was a vampire, Wood's mom was a slayer. They fought, he won. It was a honest fight. Wood though had all the rights to ask for revenge. But instead of acting like a man and fighting Spike on his own, he asks Giles to distract Buffy and then uses Spike's trigger to fulfill his plan. I'm not even gonna remind everyone that Wood tried to stake Spike in his back once during the fight at school. Very manly. His mother should be proud... I also don't get why Spike haters and a lot of Bangel fans (those who also are Spike haters. Thanks Merlin, not all the Bangel fans are Spike haters...) are all praying on what Giles said in Season 7 about Angel doing the right thing by leaving Buffy and Sunnydale (in season 3)? Giles in Season 7 and especially in that episode was shown as a person, who makes a HUGE mistake. I love Giles, but not in that episode. Those people are praying on someone who gave all that pro-Bangel speech only to distract Buffy to give Wood a chance to kill Spike... Can you imagine what would they say if it was Angel Wood needed to kill and Giles would say something good about Spike to distract Buffy? I can almost hear their angry screams: "Giles must die!" So, what do we have? Double standards. None of this vampires was perfect. None of all the BTVS characters was perfect. They all had good and bad sides of their character. But double standards are always bad, there's nothing good about them...

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