#aspect asks

So let’s start with Saturn - authority figures, early influences, boundaries/limitations, some of these could very strongly be self-induced. As in, you limit yourself and you limit your recklessness/action - only to scold yourself later for doing something you already did, saying it’s reckless/thoughtless later on when you couldn’t have known beforehand/had not experienced it before and thus, kept yourself in a box for safety and tread carefully even when sometimes that’s not going to help you at all?

The idea is that ‘actions/thoughts have consequences’ - and these ideas - even when they’re subconscious keep you subversive in a box you fit yourself into. You’re the one who deals out personal consequences to yourself, you’re the one who does the punishing more than authority figures do, because in a way - it may have came from early childhood teaching/tradition that you kept with you as examples of ‘acceptability’ and what’s not. Some of the earlier formed ideas becomes techniques/ideologies you use - like perseverance, cunning, hard-work - these things may often be enforced/taught through challenges that are easier to absorb in earlier childhood, but also has the subtle consequences of  emotional isolation/detachment at an earlier age (Moon), leading to thinking ‘objectively’ and detachment from more nurturing/sentimental ideas. This in turn can influence the person to be less nurturing to themselves and less encouraging in a fulfilling way (supportive, not brash/harsh) as well. Which becomes a problem later in life that one has to work through and learn how to remedy that. 

Independence is often a common factor in these people, or wanting to be more well-informed and well-versed in their individuality (stand out in a way that’s not too flashy but more through well-earned respect/popularity from others) - even though fulfillment comes from being connected to others. Saturn may often want the person to be the ones other depends on, but they may be attracted/repulsed by the idea sometimes, especially if they can’t ‘trust’ themselves to come out the other end of the deal successfully. That’s also limiting you on being yourself, exploring, changing or using the opportunity to grow as a person. The journey can change a person, but the expectation/ideals you set for yourself you carry it around with you and drag it along as extra luggage on your back/shoulder to keep yourself grounded.

So. Moon/Saturn and Mars/Saturn square can point to these. The Moon can also talk about progression of events - most likely in the early childhood you may have been curious about something and observe punishment/people talking about how it may not be a good thing, but by obliging/reinforcing that idea, were praised for it, and thus form earlier foundations in our lives. In reality as you grow, certain things may now come across as self-limiting and self-deprecative sometimes. Not allowing yourself to heal and grow as a person or go ‘free’ as some people do because you may not be completely comfortable with letting these things you keep close to you ‘go’ - even if it’s for a little while. Inhibition is something that can be good, but too much can be detrimental to the person. Even when you start to act out or actively look for opportunities to free yourself from the chains (Mars) - you may still scold yourself for doing so after or regret coming to that decision/impulsiveness, because the consequence of that Saturn is to talk about long-term damage and how you could realistically ‘hold up’ without gratuitous reward/what you get out of it materialistically. If it doesn’t seem to lead up to anything, fulfill your long-term desire or give you the gratification you need- Saturn may as well scold your Moon/Mars for acting out of it’s own wants, it’s desire and impulses. And thus, it becomes a? cycle? routine sometimes.

Anyways. It’s not bleak or bad, there’s ways to help. As much as Saturn limits you - the way to remedy is also to think about it in a long-term perspective. Since the problem is pertaining a planet that wants to be satisfied with things looking back, achieving, having stuff come together. You’ll also have to think about your own emotional desire/impulse and letting go of certain instances (lack of inhibition) as moving towards free-ing your Moon/Mars more as well. Stand up for accepting the parts of yourself that is wild and you may not know as well yet, don’t let Saturn scold or discipline it into submission again - even if the reasoning/logic behind it seems to make sense, this isn’t about that but having faith in yourself and trusting yourself without reason sometimes (other than just you being you, and that’s good enough of a reason to learn to love yourself. Just try not to love Saturn so much that you always oblige by it anymore)

This is about nurturing, and nurturing what you’ve lacked towards yourself for a while which is caring and accepting yourself. Even if certain things freak you out, like disappointment if you tried to do something and failed and your Saturn is scolding you for trying- try to think positively about the long-term effect of what you did. You could get better at it, you could put this Mars into a positive hard-working influence on achieving something you’ve wanted to do. Doesn’t matter if the first outcome came out ‘bad’ - if you accept it, learn how to not think failure as something that’s going to stigmatize you permanently, moving past the fear of failure and how everyone else can see you fail - in order to keep doing your own thing and work towards improving so much/proving others wrong through honest and hard-work can be fulfilling. AND free-ing, which is what we want for you.

Letting others see you fail, seeing yourself fail in something, but letting others participate in your own personal journey to try and get better, do better, be a better person and achieve the kind of life/personality you want to become can be extremely fulfilling. Because you’ve already what? hit your biggest fear, so improving and moving on from that comes with experiencing something new and something personally fulfilling to you. Give something a try - especially if that something is what you want, but you felt unsure whether you’re going to succeed on the first try or not (afraid of criticism/accepting criticism/exposing yourself to that) - taking the first step to help yourself and so you can have a good grasps of where you are realistically is going to help with Saturn trying to help you too.

Technically, Saturn isn’t out to get you all the time. It just values productivity and can be sharp-tongued. Your Moon is sensitive, and your Mars want to get out of it but doesn’t know the proper way how. So you have to be the mediator here or the facilitator between the three - your Saturn needs to know what you’re interested in, and if you’re afraid to commit or let it know your true feelings then you’re constantly going to be suppressed under Saturn. 

Your Saturn also just wants to know how realistically you are in your interest/pursuit, what your goal is. If that freaks your Moon out and it starts blubbering excuses/being indecisive - that’s why Saturn scolds it so much. But Saturn would 100% support it’s back if it could tell Saturn what it wants/needs and get a full sentence out. That’s literally all it needs.  

With that said, you don’t have to care about your Saturn that much to be honest. Imagine it as like - your internal grandparent/parent. Nagging, and you’re taking care of it but you personally isn’t always licking their every toes and shoes and agree-ing with everything they say. Not saying you don’t have to care about your grandparents or familial relationships, I’m just saying there’s obvious difference between your generation and interests, your belief, how you do things, your motives. It’ll be another story if your Moon/Saturn is trine and that’s like - having them care and understand you. But since this is square, assume that these are more opposing views that just wants the best for each other but don’t really know how to connect/get there without being harsh. Which is the case most of the time even if they wish the best for each other. 

Anyways yeah, so to help with Moon/Saturn and Mars/Saturn aspect. Let the kids play! And consider that these kids DO grow up, they grow up to experience ‘bad’ emotions and influences - maybe you find out that your Moon is a jealous-prone thing. Or that your Mars have a tendency to show-off, talk too much or need validation at all times - these are just. Learning how to accept and love them as well. As they are. Recognize that it’s Saturn who’s going ‘oh my god oh no’ and like. Just. let Saturn be and try to raise/nurture your Moon and Mars instead. They WILL get better or learn through experience how to be better. You just have to be there for them for it to help, and nurture them as well. Understand them first, so you can be better together.

Venus-Square-Pluto

Everything in their chart can point to them being a ‘soft’ person (with high moral integrity). 

But when it’s put into a context that ‘activates’ Venus-Square-Pluto, they may find themselves discovering a deeper, darker (and more passionate) part of their psyche (Pluto) that empowers them to seek dominance or monopoly of their Venus-activated subjects sometimes.

Venus-Square-Pluto people might find themselves reacting instinctively-- often illogically and passionately devoted to someone/something. 

Venus, as a planet of social relationship, romance, artistry and when creating friction with Pluto that embodies powerful discovery, transformation, passion and deeper psyche --  can often ‘transform’ the person into wanting sovereignty over their relationship/reacting intensely to something/someone without consulting their other placements.

Thus, why it seems illogical. But at the same time they possess an almost self-sacrificial ability to give everything to their lovers. Their only compensation is trying to make sure that the other person does the same. 

This leads them to ‘prompt’ the other--- ‘demand’ something from them or sometimes be possessive/manipulative in order to ‘secure’ the relationship.

They might find themselves repeating cycles/patterns with their lovers, because they truly want to understand, connect and ‘unravel’ the other person entirely. This is insatiable drive that they often does constantly, in order to see the ‘results’ they want-- that the other is just as equally passionate as they are.

*While it may seem ‘bad’ or detrimental it’s also a part that we have to understand in order to overcome/work through it better.

The thing with Venus-Square-Pluto (or the lesson they have to learn here) is that all the negative thoughts; all the whys and hows --- is a reflection of themselves that they are projecting onto others, which is what’s causing the tension in the first place.

See, Venus is also about reflection. (Think 7H/DSC) You want your partner to be like you or ‘reflect’ the things you want to see. The lesson Venus bring is self-reflection, the Venus-Square-Pluto person has to realize their need to control the others/feed on the other so much is because they need to be just as thorough with themselves.  

Romantic relationship gives them a ‘subject’ they can sink their teeth into. When really it should’ve been themselves that they actually want to understand, discover and see all the uglies with. 

In a way, there’s a subconscious fear of seeing all their own uglies in Venus-Square-Pluto aspect. Which is why this control/possessiveness can be projected on the partner. And thus, the manipulation/cycles happen.

Love (Venus) and Power (Pluto) -- if you think about it as Venus-Pluto as is, it’s supposed to be talking about ‘Love of Power’ right? And if add the ‘self’ (instead of the ‘partner’) -- it would be ‘Love the Empowerment of Self’ instead. 

Manipulation happens when they ‘Love the Empowerment they Have Over Others’ (replacing the ‘self’ with ‘others). Look to see where it stems from, usually it’s a fear of their own self-worth or the self. 

A way to help with this placement is to confront the cause of fear the Venus-Square-Pluto stem from. If it’s something like ‘I always get into terrible fights, because we’re possessive over each other’ -- what’s the main cause of that possessiveness? Surface stuff like lack of time, lack of interaction isn’t cutting it. 

Sink deeper into the reason, is it loneliness? Is it telling you you’re a lonely person at heart and with/without a partner? Maybe you’ve always felt lonely by yourself-- so now that you have someone who fills it up, you’re unwilling to part with it so you don’t go back again?

The cause of Venus-Square-Pluto’s tension is always from themselves. And it’s always something to do with their psyche. So try to discover your own psyche and it’ll help you learn how to build a more equalized, stable and probably more fruitful relationship.

Also, realize that it’s all just a part of nature. There’s nothing to be ashamed of if you don’t ‘fit’/‘succeed’ at falling into what we consider to be a ‘healthy/conventional’ relationship instantly. 

Understanding the psyche also means understanding/accepting/tolerating what you were feeling/doing honestly as well. Nature can be helped through nurture.   

Let’s say you have your Virgo Mercury at 12′ and Sagittarius Jupiter at  12′ — the aspects they’re making is squared. And they’re ‘exact' 

IF your Virgo Mercury is at 10′ and your Sagittarius Jupiter is at 12′ – this Virgo is not yet exact to Jupiter at 12′. 

The Virgo Mercury is not yet there – so it’s applying (moving) into exactness with Jupiter. 

Thus, when it’s getting ready to move there– you may feel the effect of the square more powerfully, because the faster moving planet (Mercury) is bringing energy whilst it’s going into square with Jupiter.

(I usually talk about it with transits?? Since it’s easier to see/talk about it on there. Also-- with applying and separating aspects, we’re always going to try and talk about the faster moving planet being the one that’s impacting the slower moving one in a sense, because it’s the one that’s going to be approaching the exactitude between them)

IF your Virgo Mercury is at 15′ and Sagittarius Jupiter is at 12′ – your Virgo Mercury (the faster moving planet) is slowly separating from the exactness to Jupiter. 

Talking about aspects– you have to talk about both Jupiter and Mercury’s perspectives. With Mercury moving/separating away from Jupiter – the effect Jupiter has on Mercury will be different. And from Mercury’s perspective– Jupiter’s influence on Mercury will be different as well.

Do you kinda?? get it?? 💜  It’s like a meeting between two people, and sometimes the impression of the meetings aren’t always the same. And the nuances of moving into something/starting something versus moving away from it can also be different. 

Both of these doesn’t deter away from ‘squares’ (as in, separating isn’t necessarily ‘better’ than applying bc you deal with the effect/after-effect of it ) but yeah 💜  

It’s pretty useful to talk about these things, because sometimes we say one is ‘weak’ and the other is ‘strong’ but it’s more about ‘influence’. And that’s more to do with ‘power/impressions’ 💜 

I think I’ve talked about talent triangle before? But just to recap, whatever planets/signs and houses that it’s affecting ‘points’ to a section of your chart. If you think of it in sections-- this is my interpretation btw-- try to focus in on that area. 

See ‘what’ exactly is it emphasizing for you, it’s supposed to be the area of talent where you may find yourself getting noticed or accepted for --- and if you find that you are ‘stuck’ in that area (for personal self-development)-- try to notice areas from the rest of your chart, where you can bounce/balance that energy out as well.

I think of it as a mini grand trine? similar how to work through? Most people might think they’re ‘stuck’ in that area-- like they See it and they’re just like ‘ok what am i going to do with it’ -- the idea of actually manifesting the stuff is harder than just recognizing you have a talent, so to help: try searching for clues as to what else you can use in order to balance and pull it into usage. 

Sometimes it can be searching in an opposite house, opposite sign. Whatever is opposed to the apex. Maybe a good place to start? Sometimes it’s learning how to recognize patterns in other placement/traits that we might want to steadily develop and balance together with this one. It’s a little....uh, hard to explain, because there’s no wrong or right way. And it does take a lot of effort with these trines (at least for me) so I hope you can work through it! 💕

I think I talked about Yods before, but a variation of that with the Golden Yod you actually get 2 bi-quintile and 1 quintile. Similar theme to what we talked about with Yods (there’s a post about it in the astro ask masterlist?) -- but there’s more emphasis on learning/curating skills that you may teach or help others with. 

With the quintile and bi-quintile in the Yod aspect, there’s a lil ‘needing to be aware’ of how they use or abuse their power as well? Think about it like this. You feel a strong urge to accomplish something in this life, this sense of purpose pulls you forward. As you accumulate more skills, knowledge, essentials. You have an easier time giving it out/teaching it to others as well (solid foundation)

However, every criticism or set back that comes your way, everything that can be moderately questioning or ‘threaten’ your empire of knowledge-- makes you a little reluctant to take those criticism and develop it healthily. To build this empire, there’s so much work put into it. Fight or flight kicks in, you guard yourself and may sometimes point the finger when you know they were just posing an innocent question towards you (wanting to develop for the better).

It’s low-key like a God-complex, except not y know, the entirety of your personality. If you don’t let it consume you, or manipulate to keep self-preservation/guard yourself, then it won’t be a big problem. But adjusting to readily knowing when to stop, when to grow and when to not take things so personally will help. I hope this is useful 💕

Last is the Thors Hammer/Mjolnir -- I don’t think I’ve talked about this before. For those who are looking for it --- it’s a triangle with one square (90′) and 2 sesquiquadrate (135′) 

There are.... hmm circumstances y know? In people’s life, where what you want most are gonna be opposed. It’s a matter of looking and reflecting on your actions (square) that’s making a habit or pattern of making shit worst sometimes. 

Those with Thors Hammer are constantly working, or would’ve already felt it’s affect in their life anyways. The hammer’s like a boomerang in a way if we’re gonna compare it like that, not the boomerang aspect but like an Actual Boomerang. Where you constantly have this--- throw it out (to hit your enemies) and it flies back to you if you call it back (moving motion).

Shit’s hard man. But it doesn’t mean it’s bad. Look for other aspects to ease it out if you can, particularly midpoints in other areas. Like say you have this Thors Hammer and you also have a Yod, if it’s correlated (shared planet) look for ways you can ease the tension a little and reflect on the action. 

With this it’s kind of .... hmm, somethings yall just can’t be ‘right’ in other people’s opinion ya know? But you don’t have to live in controversy, use it to bring positive influence (be an influencer) for positive impact instead. 

Also watch--- or be aware of the disposition for your apex. Say you have a Sagittarius Moon, your Jupiter will have an influence on this as well. Your behaviour can get reckless, abrupt, or whatever people are criticizing you for. So make sure you take note of this too.   

First of all: Thank you for such an interesting ask!!! I love talking about this!! I had to think about it a lil because oooooo it’s so interesting to think about!! 💕💕

Personally I think everything is important, not just with inner planets but with outer planets/asteroids as well! 💕

I don’t really pay alot of attention to Venus-Mars mostly because it’s like– a small thing in the overall scale of everything? When you think about ALL the possibilities you could have with so many different planets (Sun-Moon, Sun-Jupiter, Moon-Mercury, Venus-Mars, Venus-Jupiter) you kind of just want it all!! 💕

When I see a good Venus-Mars it’s like a reassurance, I’m like ‘ahh atleast the chemistry/sex will be good! ok that’s good, so what’s next?’ 

With synastry, it’s usually assumed that you want to pursue more than a one time thing with them (not a one-time encounter). So that leaves more stuff to figure out.

Because you never want to have like sex with someone and then?? what else have you got?? Maybe the sex will be good once, and then not good? Maybe you’ll want something else and the person is into something else? Maybe they’ll want to bring emotions into sex and you don’t (want Venus-Moon, but you don’t)??? There has to be more reassurance, not just one. 

You kind of always want different things to play off of or have more. So personally– I just want everything, as much aspect with someone as possible! 💕And I think that’s important, because we don’t talk about that a lot do we?? 

Abundance of aspects isn’t really talked about, because we kind of expect there to be aspects anyways. But sometimes, you just don’t have a lot of aspects with someone compared to another person so you got to make a choice y know. 

Not having a lot of aspects with someone can be good– the general atmosphere is neutral/cordial and that means there’s more room/areas where you can build thing on with each other (nurture), 

Versus having A LOT of placements with someone, and maybe not all of them are good but god do you want them anyways (nature).   

Picking which one you’d prefer is important, it’s a choice– always. With Synastry especially. You can always control your own actions, not others. 

Personally I like Moon-Mercury, cause that’s like– a Mood that I prefer. I like burning the midnight oil with someone just talking, and feeling like we can help support/help each other in a way that’s personal/impactful long term y know. Like, what ever happens in the conversation, both of us will think about it/use it in our individual life. But we go back to each other feeling understood, and that support is so important. Wanting to talk to someone who appreciates and sympathizes with us. 

Venus-Mars is good too! I like feeling like the things I’m not usually in control of (my nature) is appreciated by someone else. Like there’s no conscious effort on my part (Moon/Mercury) I’m just naturally appreciated by someone else for what I already have (Venus/Mars) 

But like let’s be real, we never want someone to hate-hate us and constantly criticize what we do/how we express our joys y know? So if there’s nothing supporting that Venus-Mars, and it’s a harsh aspect– it may be more detrimental than good if we don’t work on it.

*Again it depends on what you build/choose your action to be, you can always  make an effort in the relationship, and teach the other to do that too. Just because you don’t have a pre-destined aspect with someone doesn’t mean you can’t learn to utilize them (conditioning/nurture). 

Also low-key I think the Venus-Mars stereotype plays a lot on toxic heteronormativity gender-roles (subconsciously) – it’s honestly not the best thing that could happen in a synastry, and a lot of the time people think it’s a one-way ticket to a good relationship. Venus-Mars pairings put work into their relationships. Because if they don’t, then what they have might crumble and fall when the next best thing comes a long, y know?