Jews who work within the Orthodox movement to improve equality and progress are so important and valuable.
I see you, LGBTQ Orthodox Jews who work to combat homophobia and transphobia.
I see you Orthodox Jewish women and allies who work to combat the Agunah crisis.
I see you Black Orthodox Jews who work to combat antiblackness.
I see you Orthodox Jewish Yoetzot Halacha and Rabbaniyot combatting sexism.
I see you Orthodox Jews-by-choice who work to combat conversion stigma.
You are all so incredible and courageous and loved and you are truly doing great Mitzvot. Hashem should bless you all.
[Goyim this is very much an intra-community post and I'm not really comfortable with non-Jews reblogging or commenting on this one. Sorry. I just can't risk it.]
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Knesset passes controversial law permitting rabbinical courts to handle cases in which Jewish men refuse to divorce Jewish women â even if neither of the two is Israeli
Pros: this law is supposed to help agunot (women who live in a painful loophole in Jewish divorce law that prevents them from remarrying)
Cons: it increases centralization of Jewish authority and there are many agunot it wonât help
Five years ago, a young Israeli woman identified in court documents only as G, decided to end her marriage. It was, the documents show, an abusive relationship, with G moving out of her home and into a shelter for battered women. But when she asked her husband for a get, the Jewish divorce document, he refused, turning âŚ
(Podcast 1.26.18) Difficulties with the Old Testament Law and the Agunot (w. Dr. Amy Downey)
How does a person reconcile certain Old Testament laws with the grace of God? How do we interpret Leviticusâs seeming acceptance of slavery? What did slavery mean in ancient Israel? What about ancient warfare, and the view about women? What is an agunot, and how can we minister to them? We will cover these issues and more on a special edition of the Bellator Christi Podcast, as we are joined byâŚ
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Some rabbis oppose the prenup agreement because it causes monetary pressure on the husband to divorce, and the husband is supposed to give the get out of his own free will. One of my rabbis proposed a positive pressure agreement that the husband will get money from the bank (that he deposits earlier) if he divorces.
wenevergotusedtoegyptâ wrote:
Interesting thought about the positive pressure. I feel like it would be difficult for that to be nearly as effective, though - after all, how much can a soon-to-be-married/newlywed man afford to put away indefinitely, ideally never to have access to again (because he wouldnât be getting divorced)? And also, once he put it away heâd probably basically consider it gone, and it seems to me like even though itâs technically his money, standing to gain money he âdoesnât haveâ is less of an incentive for a person that desirous of control over their spouse than losing money he does have. Compared to $55,000 a year heâd lose with the current prenup. Also, what I donât understand is why a negative incentive like this is any different halachically from other negative incentives (like being excluded from a minyan, not patronizing the personâs business, etc) - is it because itâs directly monetary? Or?Â
I would love to answer all of those questions but unfortunately the class about it was 3 years ago and I didnât take notes so... I donât exactly remember all of what he said. I am trying to find out what he said, but no promises.
I think the amount of money was to be built up over the years. And yes, the difference is most likely that itâs directly monetary. Although, to be honest, incentives like ânot including someone in a minyanâ are not nearly as threatening these days as they used to be, and the batei dinim in Israel clearly donât use them anymore.
The bottom line (that he didnât make up) is that the prenup agreement encourages getting divorced as opposed to discouraging it. The whole idea of the ketuba is not only to provide for the woman if she gets divorced, but to discourage divorce in the first place.
The accusation is that when couples sign this agreement, if one of them doesnât feel comfortable with the marriage âwoke up on the wrong side of the bed one morningâ, they can easily break it up with sanctions if the other side doesnât agree. This whole âprenupâ thing is made not only to significantly help the situation of agunot, but also to improve the ability of people to break up weddings. And that is like âthrowing the baby with the bathwaterâ because Judaism is in general against trying to break apart marriages. (I donât agree with this accusation.)
Of course there are different kinds of agreements. Some say that the sanctions can be applied if one side wants to break up the marriage, without any need to go to rabbinic courts. (The point is to get as far away from the rabbinic courts as possible, since they are the ones who will try to avoid sanctions and have caused many agunot.) Some say that there has to be some involvement of the rabbis, who will recommend counseling and only apply sanctions after they tried to solve the argument.
Another interesting thing is the difference between the agreement in Israel and in the diaspora. In Israel itâs a lot worse because people legally have to get divorced in a rabbinic court. On the other hand, Orthodox organizations have been a lot quicker to adopt the prenup agreement in the US than in Israel. Only more modern/feminist organizations such as Kolech and Beit Hillel have so far endorsed getting a prenup agreement. The rest... not so much.
The agunah crisis can end with us! To learn more about how we can prevent the problem of agunot going forward and the halachic prenup, visit: http://www.getora.org/the-prenup
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If any of you or anyone you know are about to or planning to get married, please please use this! There's also a postnuptial option for those already married. G-d bless you that you should all have occasion to sign this and none of you should need it <3
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