INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE 01.02 | "ā¦After the Phantoms of Your Former Self"

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INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE 01.02 | "ā¦After the Phantoms of Your Former Self"

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SHAW: Why it left me aliveā¦been asking myself that ever since.
supernatural 01x02: wendigo. this scene is on nov 10th, 2005. jess has only been dead for eight days, and sam still doesn't know why he was left alive
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Hereās my take on the brothersā sexual dynamics in Wendigo and in this rightfully famous gif, with a bit of an essay before I actually get there.
First: I do believe it is canon that the boys are psychotically, erotically codependent and that SPN is the epic love story of Sam and Dean Winchester.
When I talk about canon here, Iām talking about the actual TV show. Iām not talking about Jensenās or anyone elseās commentary on itāIām just talking about what we see on screen.
When I first started watching with a Wincest lens, I absolutely believed that the Wincest was latent. I believed that thinking they are fucking or that the brothers are even aware of their erotic codependency was wishful thinking.
I now truly think there is a canon-compliant, non-delusional way that they could be read as yep, actually fucking, off and on at points throughout the show and their lives.
To accept this, first you have to accept that they are both dedicated to denial, at every turn. So if somebody says to them, āYo, people are writing porn about you and your brother,ā theyāll never, even to each other, explicitly acknowledge that the eroticism is real. I believe that this is possible because what they are denying is *incest,* and this would be a normal rule a fucked up family would make to protect itself.
Thereās evidence for this in the text, like that time that everyone loves to point out when Sam says āPart of this is about Jessica, but not the main part.ā Dean looks at Sam and is like āWhat?? Why then??ā and Sam looks like āyou knowwww the other reasonā and wonāt answer.
The fact is, the boys are *constantly* confronted with people trying to tell them that they *know* something is going onālike when Lisa breaks up with Deanāand they are constantly edging around it. So I donāt think this āgag orderā supposition is all that hard to swallow.
Once you accept that, thereās plenty that occurs that only makes sense if theyāre fucking. I originally thought that their erotic codependency was primarily in the early seasons, but honestly, in some of the later seasonsāwhile the chemistry is turned way down and the āincest monster of the weekā subtext is way less obviousāthere are things that just donāt make sense unless they are fucking.
Take Dean being really upset that when he came back from being possessed Sam hadnāt shaved his face, and then he was like āit doesnāt matter because the bunker is filled with people,ā and then in the next episode he sees that Sam HAS shaved his face for Dean but Dean didnāt bother to come out for it due to the fact that, again, the bunker is filled with people, and then they excitedly go on a hunt that requires a motel. If this happened to anyone else, say, Dean and Cas, it would only mean one thing. Theyāre fucking.
Sometimes you can tell that they WERE fucking by the fact that they stop. Again, if you accept that they are 100% dedicated to using code and never speaking about incest directly, you get to actually understand what Sam means when he tells Dean that he absolutely will: 1. continue to live with him, 2. continue to be his hunting partner, 3. share half of his DNA, and 4. do everything else that a brother would do ā¦but that they are no longer BrothersTM, and thatās his Final Offer.
An episode later, Samās been told by the ghost that has secretly been watching their behavior to get over it, and he does not. He hesitates at the door of his bedroom that evening, his hand shaking on the knob, while Dean goes into his room and listens to music on his headphones. Brothers who were never fucking generally do not do that. They do not tremble with the need to go a platonic partnerās room late at night.
So, with all this in mind, when did they start? I think it started when they were teens, mainly because the entire Stanford thing makes way more sense and is better storytelling if they were already erotically codependent when Sam left. I also think that theyād be way less likely to start something so taboo and stupid as adults.
So my headcanon, which I donāt believe contradicts canon, is that they started as kiddos, and I always felt that therefore Dean started out as being in control (in more ways than one). I have a strong headcanon of Dean maybe showing up to Stanford a couple years before the pilot and being surprised to find that Samās not going to act like heās 13 forever. In my head, the boys end up vers at timesāI developed this headcanon by being open-minded about what I was seeing and the fact is, theyāre both pretty bi-coded, a lot of people see Dean as being bottom-coded, and very clearly, sometimes, like in Playthings, for example, Sam is *begging* to be stuffed.
So on this rewatch Iāve just started, Iāve been looking for what the text could be revealing about whether they are fucking and what their current dynamic is. Iām only at Wendigo but Iām going to keep it up.
In the Pilot, they very clearly arenāt fucking. Dean views Jess as a threat, Sam announces he doesnāt cheat, etc.
Episode 2:
Wendigo starts out with Sam not wanting to be a part of the old family dynamic. He wants to find Dad, but itās to get revenge for Jessā death. He doesnāt want to be a hunter and save people. Itās Dean that spends the whole episode trying real hard to convince Sam that he should accept that heās back in the fold now, that they should return to the old dynamics that they once had ⦠one of the dynamics being doing whatever John wants them to do, off to parts unknown when theyāre handed coordinates with no other information.
Dean tries various techniques to change Samās emotions to ones that would make Dean feel safer, for example, by trying to get Sam to cease his mourning. Dean offers Sam the keys, but Sam points out that Dean would never have let him drive when they were younger. Sam seems unimpressed by that old dynamic but aware that Deanās In ChargeTM.
By the end of Wendigo, Sam very clearly is becoming enamored with Dean again, with the idea of being on this adventure together with his brother. You can see it in his face when Deanās alive in the cave at the end. Heās famously more turned on than Deanās female love interest.
At the very end of the episode, Deanās love interest goes to be with her brother and Dean stays with his. Dean has to give up the idea of this girl to stay with Sam (Heās given up a lot over the years for Sam and their dynamic). Then Sam looks Dean up and down with a look that can only be described as horny. The gif is at the top of this post and it makes the Wincest rounds constantly.
Imagine my surprise when I rewatched Wendigo and Samās being top-coded in this gif. Heās not just horny, and Iām not just saying this because I think only tops can drive (obviously bottoms can drive, too). But Sam is explicitly excited about both being with Dean again AND about having a changed dynamic. He announces proudly and playfully and hornily that *heāll* be driving.
Dean doesnāt really have a choice here. He might want Sam under his thumb, but heāll do whatās needed to keep Sam around, even go along with new dynamics.
You can actually contrast this with Playthings, which I think further shows that they do have a malleable dynamic. In Playthingsāwhich is such a fucking gay episode, in fact itās so gay that two separate people āmistakeā the brothers for being gay and Sam points out that Dean comes across like heās overcompensatingāthe first thing that Sam says to Dean when he is drunk is āyouāre short.ā Heās very obviously referencing an old dynamic, where Sam was shorter for like 16 or more continuous years. But somewhere along the line, Sam became taller. And now heās kind of stressed by it; he kind of wants to go back to being owned by Dean. He wonāt have to be responsible for his own decisions anymore if heās little again. He begs Dean to kill him, grabbing his face the way he grabs everybody before he kisses them, and then when heās rejected, he shoves his ass into the air.
I think that this scene of him being an incredibly psychotic little bottom makes more sense if their dynamic is malleable, because Sam is acknowledging here that things have changed and expressing a desire for things to go back to where they were.
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i think a lot of the way sam approaches victims when the topic of hunting/the reality of the specific case they're on is broached is reminiscent of the way he wished/wishes he was spoken to about it before he was in the know. he's thorough and he's honest and he's empathetic to how world-flipping it can be to not only go through a life-changing event involving/revolving around severe grief, but to have the footing of the world one thought they knew be ripped out from underneath them simultaneously. he's clear and concise and urgent while also remaining emotions-tender and understanding. the other part of this is prevention; the truth-telling is, in a way, like harm reduction in that, if you have the right idea going into This Thing, it'll save you from dangerous endeavors in truth-seeking that will ultimately bear no fruits and will, instead, get you killed (see woods scene 01x02). like harm reduction in that, maybe if you Know, you can do it right the first time, and wash your hands of it all afterwards. heal. because the ultimate goal is never to Add Another to the team. the ultimate goal is to get out. which, of course, goes back to the necessity of Knowing and the bedside manner with which one should idealistically approach a grieving individual. which all goes back to "nobody ever tells me anything."
in-universe dates: 25 years of gsr
Favorite Shots Per Episode ā© 1.02 Wendigo (2/2)