#*spn 8x17

Jerry Wanek, on the 21st of March, got on twitter and thanked the cast and crew for 8x17 “Goodbye Strangers”:

JerryWanek: ”Great Episode tonight, congrats to Tom Wright, cast and crew. great script by Robbie!” - 1:20 AM Mar 21, 2013

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And then started interacting with the fans the next day:

thereuarethen: “JerryWanek hey jerry don’t know if you see this but was the crypt the same set used for Jo’s first hunting trip the boys? Way bck when?” - 2:53 AM Mar 21, 2013

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JerryWanek: “justanotherspn1 no this was built from the ground up for this Ep.” - 1:55 AM Mar 22, 2013

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JerryWanek: “Speaking of detail! Naomi’s office windows have a certain pattern no one picked up on?” - 1:57 AM Mar 22, 2013

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(*screenshot of Naomi’s office in 8x17 for reference. Not apart of thread*)

JerryWanek: “Do not over think! Very obvious Christian symbolism.” - 1:44 AM Mar 23, 2013

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emilybz7: “JerryWanek OH crap now I am gonna go to my DVR and find this or go nuts. Thank you.” SPN_Sherry: “emilybz7 JerryWanek I just rewatched and I got nothing, maybe old punch code cards, but why... I don’t know!!” JerryWanek: “SPN_Sherry emilybz7 sorry. Wrong wall, the window wall! Not the back wall. StaceyGillard: “JerryWanek I thought of the crosses on that wall but I was analyzing the back wall!!!!! CROSSES!” - 1:58 AM Mar 23 2013

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JerryWanek: “StaceyGillard Yes, Yes, Yes, sorry I didn’t see your response sooner That’s all folks  Thx for playin good night!” - 2:14 AM Mar 23, 2013

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But some factions in the fandom had originally concluded that it was the lighting not the crosses in Naomi’s window. They believed the colors of the lighting represented the bisexual flag and now wanted an answer for why this particular lighting was used in the office in this particular scene with Naomi, Dean, and Castiel.

Eventually Wanek answered with this tweet about three days later:

JerryWanek: “My dear friend Serge controls the lighting. It was about emotion and passage of time. Although I am happy to support LGBT.” - 12:30 AM Mar 26, 2013

rthompson1138: “Alright #SPNFamily, office hours are now open. Send me your thoughts & feels re: #supernatural. As always: happy to chat but no spoilers!”- 7:53 PM Nov 5, 2013

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These are some in the thread that stand out:

rthompson1138: “Destiel_Gina IMO, just cause he had sex with a woman doesn’t make him hetero?= #supernatural” - 7:57 PM Nov 5, 2013

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Destiel_Gina’s tweet was deleted but an old screenshot shows the original tweet:

Destiel_Gina: “rthompson1138 Why did you guys decide to make Castiel heterosexual if he’s a genderless angel, indifferent to sexual orientation?” rthompson1138: “Destiel_Gina IMO, just cause he had sex with a woman doesn’t make him hetero?= #supernatural”

bookdal: “rthompson1138 Robots.” rthompson: “bookdal yes! always robots! #supernatural” bookdal: “rthompson1138 btw, i totally overanalyzed Charlie’s need for adventure as a reaction to her mother’s death and being free from obligation.” rthompson1138: “bookdal no such thing as ‘totally overanalyzed’ #superntaural” - 8:11 PM Nov 5, 2013

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rthompson1138: “hallemcready i was asked about Cas-- who has been said to be indifferent to sexual orientation #supernatural” - 8:21 PM Nov 5, 2013

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DeansFangirl: “rthompson1138 #supernatural Why are you so nice to the crazy fans who are mean? rthompson1138: DeansFangirl nobody’s crazy, everyone just has a different POV, but thanks for tweeting me-- so many Qs, so little time! #supernatural” - 8:53 PM Nov 5, 2013

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rthompson1138: “GreensieBeans he did. and yeah, i think he made the right call #supernatural” - 8:54 PM Nov 5, 2013

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GreensieBeans’ tweet has been deleted but in this old screenshot we can see the original tweet:

(...) Lynn: In the scene where Dean is trying to convince Sam not to go with Death, and says that memorable line, “There ain’t no me if there ain’t no you,” alot of us weren’t sure if that was actually Dean — if Ezekiel sent Dean in to convince Sam and then switched places with him to possess Sam — or if that was Ezekiel looking like Dean. When you were doing that scene, how were you playing it?

Jensen: I was playing it as Ezekiel.

Lynn: (gasping rather dramatically) Noooooo, that’s not the answer I want!

Jensen: (probably rolling his eyes a little at Lynn. Which is totally understandable) Sorry!

He went on to explain that Ezekiel was, however, expressing Dean’s genuine feelings about Sam, but putting it in words that Dean himself probably would never say out loud.

Lynn: *looks less traumatized*

In other words, the line was the truth, but we all know that Dean’s not very good at putting his feelings out there, which even Lynn had to admit was true. Jensen said similar things have happened in other scenes between Dean and Cas and between Dean and Sam. [ETA again, omg this is exhausting – another person who was there posted a clarification of what was said – thanks!]. Jensen said something about the scene with Cas beating Dean up, there was consideration of Dean saying ‘I love you,’ but it didn’t seem like something Dean would actually come out and say, so it was changed to ‘We’re family’ (My interpretation is that in both cases, he was talking about familial love, hence the change to ‘we’re family’. I also thought that might explain how certain priceless S8 gag reel scenes happened…) There have been times when they’ve considered the same for Sam and Dean, but the brothers just aren’t guys who are able to express their feelings openly. Jensen did leave Lynn with a bit of hope though.

Jensen: They should save that for the finale, then the brothers can finally say how they feel. (...)

“Goodbye Stranger” Season 8 Episode 17

written by: Robbie Thompson directed by: Thomas J. Wright

INT. BASEMENT, CRYPT - NIGHT DEAN: Ohh! [DEAN, seriously beaten and bloody, now has one eye swollen shut.] Cas. Cas. [Weakly, reaching towards CASTIEL.] I know you're in there. [CASTIEL raises his angel blade, ready to strike.] I know you can hear me. Cas... [DEAN's voice breaks, pleading.] It's me. [CASTIEL stands there, blade at the ready, light glints off the blade.] We're family. We need you. I need you.