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TheAdamWilliams: “Never even heard of it 🤔 ‘jolivira_: TheAdamWilliams do you ship johnlock’”- Dec 12, 2020

jolivira_: “watch this video and then please let me know your thoughts on the subject matter ‘https://youtu.be/fsKWdvsxvN4‘“- 12:08 PM Dec 12, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “Watched it.. and I saw the series. Didn't clock it myself but they're certainly quirky as a team. Or whatever they are. I usually don't ship. I came across Destiel by chance and I warmed up to it after seeing the dissertations and rewatching key episodes. It's a thing. ‘ jolivira_: watch this video and then please let me know your thoughts on the subject matter https://youtu.be/fsKWdvsxvN4′”- 1:01 PM Dec 12, 2020

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jolivira_: “So are you officially confirming that you ship destiel and not johnlock? ‘TheAdamWilliams: Watched it.. and I saw the series. Didn't clock it myself but they're certainly quirky as a team. Or whatever they are. I usually don't ship. I came across Destiel by chance and I warmed up to it after seeing the dissertations and rewatching key episodes. It's a thing.’ “- 1:07 PM Dec 12, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: I officially confirmed that I ship Destiel some 5-6yrs ago. 🤷‍♂️ ‘ jolivira_: So are you officially confirming that you ship destiel and not johnlock?’”- 1:24 PM Dec 12, 2020

Context: On Dec 11, 2020 SPN’s then visual effects I/O coordinator, Adam Williams, made a tweet about the leaked 15x18 script. Which then sparked a long chain of quote tweets between Adam and a handful of fans that lasted until the next day. -cont.

frostedflake: “so you agree dean wants to be in a relationship with cas ? ‘TheAdamWilliams: It's more complicated than that. I'm  straight but I've had two "boyfriends". We loved each other, we just didn't want each other's danglers. It wasn't about sex it was about who we were. When Dean clocks Cas after Cas gets cleaned up.. cmon. You can see it with your own eyes.’”- 2:39 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “Is in a relationship with Cas, you mean I don't think Dean wants to penetrate Castiel's anus with his penis. A kiss wouldn't hurt though. 🤔 ‘frostedflake: so you agree dean wants to be in a relationship with cas ?’”- 2:41 PM Dec 11, 2020

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HallmarkDestiel: “He just keeps opening his mouth and making it worse. I feel... invalidated.”- 3:09 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “If you needed me to share your views in order for you to feel validated then I guess the quicker we nip that in the bud the better. https://twitter.com/HallmarkDestie...” -3:13 PM Dec 11, 2020

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winterangeI: “the way you literally don’t care how you’re spouting biphobia right now ‘TheAdamWilliams: If you needed me to share your views in order for you to feel validated then I guess the quicker we nip that in the bud the better.’”- 3:13 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “Some people spend their time online accusing everyone they see of biphobia, transphobia, trying to silence people, blah blah. It's a knife that has become dull with improper use. And we all know it and can ignore it. ‘winterangeI: the way you literally don’t care how you’re spouting biphobia right now’”- 3:24 PM Dec 11, 2020

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winterangeI: “the way i actually respected you at first and now you’re just invalidating my sexuality and others and calling fans thieves and just... you’ve lost me man” - 3:28 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “Bye 👋 ‘winterangeI: “the way i actually respected you at first and now you’re just invalidating my sexuality and others and calling fans thieves and just... you’ve lost me man’”- 3:33PM Dec 11, 2020

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CANONCASTlEL: “dude. surely even someone with their head shoved half as far up their arse as you would be able to hear it when someone tells them they are hurting other people.” - 3:35 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “Tweets don't hurt anyone. And if you think they do you should travel the world a few years and see what pain looks like. ‘CANONCASTlEL: dude. surely even someone with their head shoved half as far up their arse as you would be able to hear it when someone tells them they are hurting other people.’“- 3:38 PM Dec 11, 2020

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BUCKYSHIELD: “words hurt did you not learn that when you were a kid or” - 3:44 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “If someone on Twitter saying a fictional character on a television show isn't bi hurts someone then it's on them. I'm not responsible for how someone responds to what I say, I'm only responsible for what I say. ‘BUCKYSHIELD: words hurt did you not learn that when you were a kid or’”- 3:53 PM Dec 11, 2020

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mm_potterhead: “It's unbelievable that you still don't understand. This is because you said Dean is attracted to someone of the same gender and still not bisexual. If Dean likes Cas, he's bisexual or pansexual."- 10:42 PM Dec 11, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “Cas doesn't have a gender. So Dean is whatever the Tumblr term is for that. Don't let the labels ruin a good story. ‘mm_potterhead: It's unbelievable that you still don't understand. This is because you said Dean is attracted to someone of the same gender and still not bisexual. If Dean likes Cas, he's bisexual or pansexual.’“- 10:45 PM Dec 11, 2020

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mayaderendyke: “things that just make sense: supernatural being written by people like this ‘ TheAdamWilliams: It's more complicated than that. I'm 💯 straight but I've had two "boyfriends". We loved each other, we just didn't want each other's danglers. It wasn't about sex it was about who we were. When Dean clocks Cas after Cas gets cleaned up.. cmon. You can see it with your own eyes.’”- 1:33PM Dec 12, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “I'm not a writer for Supernatural My fanfic is on point tho ‘mayaderendyke: things that just make sense: supernatural being written by people like this’”- 1:37 PM Dec 12, 2020

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QClexa: “ i dont usually go for m/m fic but i'd read it if it was written by you. drop ur ao3 account king” - 12:32 Dec 12, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “My fanfic isn't m/m stuff, it's script outlines. ‘QClexa: i dont usually go for m/m fic but i'd read it if it was written by you. drop ur ao3 account king’” - 3:56 PM Dec 12, 2020

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naterpillarr: “Hey did u know that there are asexual gay/bi men ‘TheAdamWilliams: It's more complicated than that. I'm  straight but I've had two "boyfriends". We loved each other, we just didn't want each other's danglers. It wasn't about sex it was about who we were. When Dean clocks Cas after Cas gets cleaned up.. cmon. You can see it with your own eyes.’- 2:21 PM Dec 12, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “No but I could predict it. Every combination possible will at some point arise. But like the light spectrum how we divide and categorize things is arbitry outside of the usefulness it serves us. Some people are simply not interested in sex. Call it what you will. 🤷‍♂️ ‘naterpillarr: Hey did u know that there are asexual gay/bi men’“- 2:24 PM Dec 12, 2020

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naterpillarr: “But I think what people are trying to say is, they feel as if Dean being in a relationship with Cas means he's bi or pansexual, and that that sort of representation is valuable to them. They feel as if you're taking that away from them” - 2:29 PM Dec 12, 2020

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TheAdamWilliams: “I never denied the relationship.. I just don't think Dean is bi. I'm not robbing anyone of their opinion. Why do people want to rob me of mine? ‘naterpillarr: But I think what people are trying to say is, they feel as if Dean being in a relationship with Cas means he's bi or pansexual, and that that sort of representation is valuable to them. They feel as if you're taking that away from them’“- 2:32 PM Dec 12, 2020

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curtisisbooger: “That ship's sailed. ;) ‘casweakness: curtisisbooger how do you feel about destiel‘“- 8:52PM Nov 11, 2016

(...)Stars Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles have also remained with the series throughout its run, long after most leading men would’ve thrown in the towel (...)

“As long as ratings stay stable, and they want to do the show, and I’m still in the chair, I’m going to be their biggest supporter to continue,” CW president Mark Pedowitz says. “I think ‘Supernatural’ is going to be around in some form long after I move off this chair, and the best thing I can do for the guys, and for the studio, and for the showrunners is basically make sure we don’t mess them up.”

Much like its protagonists — monster-hunting brothers Sam (Padalecki) and Dean (Ackles), who have quite literally been to heaven, hell and everywhere in between over the course of the show’s run — “Supernatural” has time and again proven its resilience in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds, becoming an anchor of The CW’s lineup. (...) (...) “In my wildest dreams, I was hoping we would get to a fourth season. Sure enough, it was probably right around the fourth season that I think we finally started to relax and realize that we had a certain amount of stability,” Kripke says. “And that was the introduction of Misha Collins [as the angel Castiel], and that was the time that I probably started sleeping at night. But I’ll tell you one thing, the fact that we always felt we were on the edge and one breath from extinction was really good for the show creatively in those early years. We took risks that we probably wouldn’t have taken had we felt more stable. We used to say in the writers’ room all the time, ‘Look, we’re getting canceled next year, so smoke them if you got them.’ We really encouraged everyone to take big swings because we really, sincerely believed that we were about to be canceled, and so why not spend all the story you could spend? And I think that led to a lot of exciting moments.”

(...)Through it all, the show has maintained a steady audience — now standing as the fourth highest-rated show on the network behind superhero series “The Flash,” “Arrow” and “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow.” (...) Ostroff left The CW in 2011, and Pedowitz says he was already a fan of “Supernatural” when he assumed control of the network. (...) The show had been bounced around The CW’s schedule for much of its run, and had been relegated to Friday nights when Pedowitz joined the network.

“It’s generally where shows go to die, and we stayed there and not only did we not die, we actually survived and somewhat thrived,” Ackles notes. “And then I think when Mark came in and took over for Dawn, he looked at the numbers and looked at what was working and said, ‘Why is this show on Friday nights? Not only is it working there, let’s give it some prime real estate and see how much better it can be.'” (...) It was the emergence of “Arrow,” The CW’s first foray into a grittier brand of superhero series, that gave “Supernatural” a new lease on life.

“We didn’t have anything compatible for ‘Arrow,’ and we thought there was still life in the show, and we thought what better way to do it than by giving it the time period after ‘Arrow’?” Pedowitz says. “And as luck would sometimes have it, a confluence of events happened. The first Netflix deal was done, so all the past seasons went up, and all of a sudden, you saw an influx of viewers that had not seen the show before.”

In fact, all of The CW’s most successful series have enjoyed scheduling stints with the show, Pedowitz points out: “‘Supernatural’ was paired with ‘Vampire Diaries’ for its first season; ‘Supernatural’ was paired with ‘Arrow’ for its first season. ‘Supernatural’ was paired with ‘The Flash’ for its first season. ‘Supernatural’ is now back on Thursday at nine, and we believe it’ll be a great boost to ‘Legends of Tomorrow.’ So ‘Supernatural,’ in a weird way, even though it’s the lead-out, has had a direct impact on some of our bigger hits.”

The show is now one of the most popular on social media, regularly selling out conventions around the world. “I would much rather have our devoted fan base than 20 million people just casually watching,” Padalecki says. “The word of mouth has been a huge part of ‘Supernatural.’ I feel like sometimes people [think], ‘hey, that show has 20 million people, we don’t need to talk about it,’ but when there’s something that you feel like, ‘hey, this has two million people, I want my friends to know about it, I’m not going to assume that they know about it.'”

After so many seasons of feeling “on the verge of unemployment all the time,” Ackles says Pedowitz and Roth have given him a true sense of security.

“It’s an incredible support group that we have, not only the network but with the studio as well. I wish I could work with Mark and Peter for the rest of my life — I’d be happy. They’re just quality, smart people and they’re champions for our show and have been for many years now, and it is a huge vote of confidence to have your bosses in your corner,” Ackles says. “Peter’s been saying we’re halfway there since episode 100 and then we get to 200 and he’s like ‘oh, still halfway there,’ so he’s obviously stoked that the show’s still going on. The fact that Mark says that we’ll keep going as long as we’re happy… I don’t even know how to qualify that. It’s awesome, especially when it has to do with a program that I’m so proud of and a story that I still enjoy telling and a character that I still love playing.”

Both Ackles and Padalecki insist they’re not putting an expiration date on the series. “Jared and I talked and we’re going to just keep going,” Ackles says. “He and I, we talk about getting to episode 300 and that’s just another milestone… and then when we get there, we’ll keep going and see what the next milestone is. One of the many reasons we’ve managed to get to where we are is, I don’t think we really set parameters or limits or any obstacles. It’s just like, ‘Let’s keep our heads down and let’s just do the best work that we can and hopefully, people will continue to watch and we can keep telling these stories.”

Says Kripke, “I’m proud that it’s the last surviving WB show, but I’m also really proud that it’s just a sign of how durable ‘Supernatural’ has turned out to be. And obviously, the show itself is the thing I’m most proud of.”

Cons

• 2007: Asylum 1- Jensen • 2008-Eyecon- April - Jared • 2009: Asylum 3 Saturday- Misha • 2009: Asylum 3 Sunday - Misha • 2009: Vancon - Misha • 2009: Chicon - Misha • 2010: Asylum Europe - Misha • 2011: LAcon - Misha • 2011-Asylum 7 - Misha • 2012: ECEC- Gay Calgary - Misha • 2013: ECCC - Misha • 2013: NJcon - Misha • 2015: Jibcon Saturday - Jensen solo • 2015: Jibcon Saturday - Misha & Singer • 2016: Jibcon Sunday - Misha & Jensen  • 2016: Seacon Saturday - Mark Sheppard • 2016: DCcon- Misha • 2016: Jibcon Friday - Misha • 2016: Jibcon Sunday - Misha & Jensen • 2016: SDCC - Singer • 2017: SeaCon - J2 • 2017: Phxcon - Rachel Miner • 2018: Chicon - Alex • 2019: JIBcon 10 Sunday - Jensen • 2019: SDCC - J2MA, Dabb, Singer, Eugeine, Buckner • 2020: PaleyFest NY SPN - J2MA, Dabb, Singer

Interviews/Articles

• 2007: TV guide - Kripke • 2007: TV Guide - Jensen • 2008: Morgan’s Maniacs - Humphris • 2009: Screener- Misha • 2010: WarnerBros- J2 • 2010: TVGuide- Jared, Jim Beaver, Sgriccia • 2011: The Backlot - Misha • 2011: Fandom At The Crossroads - J2M • 2013: Supernatural Turkey - Michaels • 2013: The Backlot - Misha • 2013: TV Guide Canada - Misha • 2014: Fangasm - Misha • 2014: The New York Times - Misha, Jensen • 2014: Variety - Carver • 2014: E! News - Jensen, Robbie, Carver • 2015: ET Online - Misha • 2016: Variety - Jared • 2017: Hypable - Perez • 2019: Nerds and Beyond - Robbie • 2019: The OCR - Jensen • 2019: SYFY WIRE - JMA, Singer, Dabb • 2019: Hollywood News Source - Buckner • 2019: Fangirlish -July 27- Jensen • 2019: Fangasm -Aug 2- Kripke • 2020: Los Angeles Times - J2 • 2020: EW - Richard • 2021: Variety - Jan 15 - Jared

Social Media

• 2012: Twitter - Sep (Misha) • 2013: Twitter - Sep 5-6 (Williams) • 2013: Twitter - Feb (Adam Glass) • 2013: Twitter - Sep (Adam Glass) • 2013: Twitter - Sep (Robbie Thompson) • 2013: Twitter - Oct (Robbie, Kennedy) • 2013: Twitter - Nov 5 (Robbie Thompson) • 2013: Twitter - Nov 12 (Robbie Thompson) • 2014: Twitter - Feb (Robbie Thompson) • 2014: Twitter - May (Robbie Thompson) • 2014: Twitter- May (Adam Glass) • 2014: Twitter - Nov (Robbie and Jensen) • 2015: Twitter - Jun (Smith) • 2016: Twitter - Jun (Fitzmartin) • 2016: Twitter - Jul (Lee Rumohr) • 2016: Twitter - Nov (Armstrong) • 2017: Twitter - Mar (Williams) • 2018: Twitter -  Aug (Williams) • 2018: Twitter - Nov (Jason Fischer) • 2019: Twitter - Feb (Davy Perez) • 2020: Twitter - Aug - Jared • 2020: Twitter - Sep (Davy, Fitzmartin, Adams) • 2020: Twitter - Dec 11-12 (Williams) • 2020: Twitter - Dec 12 (Williams) • 2021: Twitter - Mar (Williams) • 2021: Twitter - Mar (Misha Collins)

Misc.

rthompson1138: “Alright #SPNFamily, office hours are now open. Send me your thoughts & feels re: #supernatural. As always: happy to chat but no spoilers!”- 7:53 PM Nov 5, 2013

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These are some in the thread that stand out:

rthompson1138: “Destiel_Gina IMO, just cause he had sex with a woman doesn’t make him hetero?= #supernatural” - 7:57 PM Nov 5, 2013

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Destiel_Gina’s tweet was deleted but an old screenshot shows the original tweet:

Destiel_Gina: “rthompson1138 Why did you guys decide to make Castiel heterosexual if he’s a genderless angel, indifferent to sexual orientation?” rthompson1138: “Destiel_Gina IMO, just cause he had sex with a woman doesn’t make him hetero?= #supernatural”

bookdal: “rthompson1138 Robots.” rthompson: “bookdal yes! always robots! #supernatural” bookdal: “rthompson1138 btw, i totally overanalyzed Charlie’s need for adventure as a reaction to her mother’s death and being free from obligation.” rthompson1138: “bookdal no such thing as ‘totally overanalyzed’ #superntaural” - 8:11 PM Nov 5, 2013

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rthompson1138: “hallemcready i was asked about Cas-- who has been said to be indifferent to sexual orientation #supernatural” - 8:21 PM Nov 5, 2013

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DeansFangirl: “rthompson1138 #supernatural Why are you so nice to the crazy fans who are mean? rthompson1138: DeansFangirl nobody’s crazy, everyone just has a different POV, but thanks for tweeting me-- so many Qs, so little time! #supernatural” - 8:53 PM Nov 5, 2013

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rthompson1138: “GreensieBeans he did. and yeah, i think he made the right call #supernatural” - 8:54 PM Nov 5, 2013

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GreensieBeans’ tweet has been deleted but in this old screenshot we can see the original tweet:

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Drinking with the Stars: 'Supernatural's' Misha Collins

Skip to 3:22 Interviewer: Would you, I mean would you like to see him eventually lose his virginity? Get a love interest even? Misha: Yeah.

Interviewer: Even something sweet? Misha: Even something sweet.

Interviewer: Sort of like (wags finger) what you have- Misha: Yeah, it doesn’t have to be BDSM. (interviewer laughs) It could just be something white bread and sweet, yeah. (laughs)

Interviewer: Yeah, like what you have going on with Dean. Misha: (laughs) Yeah, exactly. (looks off screen) (Interviewer laughs) Great. Yeah. (takes a drink)

Interviewer: Oh (swings finger around) we gotta talk about it. Come on. Misha: Okay.

Interviewer: Do you- Do you go- Do you go on the blogs? Do you read what the fans are- fans are saying? (video cut) Misha: I actually feel like… I’m- I’m a little dirty about the idea of like, really looking into it, like, I feel like I would be looking for my parents’ porn or something. (interviewer laughs) Um, so (laughs) not that my parents have porn-

Interviewer: (mimics discreetly asking) Have you ever done that before? Misha: Obviously, I’ve never done that. (interviewer laughs) Um, it was purely hypothetical. (video cut)

Misha: You know it’s a- it’s kind of a little bit of a weird line to cross. And I’ve mentioned it, like, you know, there’s these fan conventions, and I’ve mentioned it in the Q&A’s at the fan conventions. And there’s sort of like this- (mimics backing away with his hands up) You can sense the whole audience kind of tensing up. Like, they don’t want you to talk about this slash fiction, weird Playboy stuff that they get into. (interviewer laughs) So, um, so I do like to bring it up for that reason-

Interviewer: Right, sure. Misha: But, beyond that I haven’t really, you know, I- I have read only part of one sla- homoerotic (interviewer laughs) slash fic, uh, piece of writing. And, you know, it scarred me a little bit.

Interviewer: It scarred you a little? Misha: Yeah.

Asylum 3 Saturday Misha solo

Fan: Um, do you think, um, from a purely platon- platonic, um, end, that Castiel favors Dean a little bit? (audience cheers and claps)