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ImuRisa is if UtenAnthy and Gelphie had a child and left it at a convent.

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I don't if it's just me but I found the "conclusion" of Lisa/Imuri's relationship to be disturbing and oddly mean-spirited. I guess it depends on whether on not we'll see Lisa again and if that last page is meant to be seen as foreboding but idk Lisa's both lives end with her being infinitely forgiving/encouraging towards the person that got her killed (the second time on purpose), a person that just barely cares about her and seemingly never thought of her again after she burned at the stake. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Imuri's thoughts on Lisa are barely touched on and so surface level but it just feels disturbing to me, like Lisa's only purpose in life is to be a stepping stone. I don't know maybe that uncomfortable feeling could be mitigated if Lisa is somehow allowed to participate in the continuing chapters, but I have a feeling she will be quickly tossed away and forgotten about until her plan against Satan takes place and the quickly forgotten about, again.
It's definitely not just you. If this Lisa's conclusion is meant to be taken as beautiful and final it says something really unsettling about the work's view on women. It's not that there aren't problems here and there, mainly with how Imuri's character is handled, but it's salvageable depending on this specific arc. And it just goes destroying every other female character, and then has Imuri grow a little bit as a compensation. Lisa died as a stepping stone in every meaning of the word. The negotiation with her paints the pope as a virtuous martyr. Her revolution unites the Vergilius witch faction and the church against Satan. The battle with her elevates Marco Belphegor and Mikhail, two misogynists and an ignorant priest, completing the first two's character journey and fleshing out the latter's philosophy. Her uterus and plan for Satan are Chekhov's guns. Her status is a literal stepping stone for Satan's final boss. And in her dying moment, she doesn't even get to think about her revolution or the result of her hundreds of years of effort. We're supposed to accept that Lisa, who criticizes Joshua for choosing Imuri over the world and ultimately chooses to kill Imuri to take out Belphegor, accepts her end with the only accomplishment for women being Imuri accepting herself so she doesn't ruin her newest boyfriend. Imuri during the entire fight is rendered to the background, one panel to seem worry for Lisa, and her first thought in this chapter that compels her to act is still about Joshua. No self reflection on her treatment of Lisa in the past after literally walking through it, most of the reactions and effects of seeing Lisa's backstory are again from Joshua. Imuri comes out still insensitive to Lisa's suffering and barely understands or cares about Lisa at all, if she does then it's barely shown. Lisa is never her priority, she even lamented about it twice, and she remains never a priority till the end.
Imuri's sacrifice in "The Finale", JoshImuri's happy ending in "All's well that ends well" and Joshua's death in "The End" can be fake-outs but somehow "The Final Battle" where the main heroes consist of female members as supporters and the male members as leaders who take the main stage gathered with a redeemed villain to defeat the wicked witch with the help of the heroine's charm in the last moment and the hero dealing the final blow with a sword isn't, a fake-out? This is pure shounen slop I know this is a shounen but spending your entire manga subverting common tropes just to have your feminist strawman defeated in the most shounen battle to ever battle is insane. Please tell me this is all Satan's script because anything this guy explicitly meddles with feels superficial and fake like Joshua and Imuri's relationship.
Tbh the whole exchange is very Strong (Cinderella 2015) it's kind of funny if they take inspiration from that too given how Vasilisa is Russian's Cinderella.
But the Baba Yaga shaped elephant- screw that there're too many elephants in the room already and Lisa is dead the hive mind is resealed who cares for Baba Yaga now right?
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Isn’t there something in Revelations about a head injury that’s healed?
It's this right?
Yeah yeah "the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived" is totally Satan or some other metaphorical images absolutely. Oh wait both the head injury and the sword wound fit Joshua and Mikhail in 115 too haha.
Lisa is doomed.

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Lisa died. Fair well Ekuoto may we never meet again.
It's said that this line is fixed in the physical volume? I personally don't mind it because Imuri being insensitive to Lisa is well-established, and Joshua not immediately responding is something could be addressed later (however unlikely that sounds). But if they retconned it then, ok, at least Imuri is not that nonchalant and sarcastic to her friend's desperate attempt to save her nor is she so tactless as to voice it right in front of Joshua.
The difference in his speech bubbles. Joshua is bold when condemning Lisa as "going too far" (which she does) but seems unsure when coming up with any other rebuttal. He says the same thing as the Pope in a worse way and acts surprised when Lisa is understandably not convinced. Like he has no right to talk about how things are improving when he even admitted to being ignorant himself.
When I say Lisa and Nanao are extremely similar I do not mean it like this.
So Talentless Nana ends and it's an open ending in every glorious sense of the word. Everything is a "maybe" and "could be possible" and any headcanon is valid. It's ok I guess? I like that Michiru is in the state between life and death despite the way it's still something to appease all sides like the rest of the chapter. At least my Onodera siblings are happy.

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If it got addressed in the manga itself I fear it's going to be Joshua saying "But isn't this just the weak get silenced by overwhelming power again" with a solemn face after Lisa's defeat and one of the church kids/Daniel/Heisenberg/all of them would explain how this is different because "reasons". That'd be the end of discussion and it'd never be brought up ever again. Or to the extra files it goes. Or it'd never make it to the storyline at all. Like this arc so far seems so superficial because problems are either ignored or dismissed by the most hollow shallow preach imaginable and everyone eat it up. With the story's framing are we really supposed to take Mikhail brushing off Lisa's speech about systemic oppression as "too complicated" as a good thing? Because it sure feels so. Sometimes I wish this arc were the intermediacy between Pride (church) and Wrath (witches) before actually entering Wrath through Satan but this is officially Part 7 Wrath arc so there goes my hope.
It's playing in my face they're just saying the doom posting memes word for word I can't do this anymore I WAS HOPING THEY WERE JUST A JOKE. THERE'S NO SUBVERSION ok fine I give up. This manga has always been very straightforward with its messages, Imuri's “I'm a woman but women are not me” is the first and Barbara's “mind your business” is the last nail in its stance on Lisa. She's meant to be the feminism gone too far criticism and I'm tired of trying to justify it.
THANK YOU LISA she's still the best written character this arc please if she's going to die who will carry this bum ass arc. With the way it treats female characters that aren't Lisa Satan's wife is going to be irrelevant unless it's for Satan's characterization isn't she. Also Mikhail just straight up doesn't have any connection to Baba Yaga and is just a weird exorcist who is extra brutal to witches for some reason. Period. Mikhail you have two chances and ruined them all wtf. Honestly I don't know how to take the part where he said Lisa has a cute face after saying she's the most uncute like, twice. On one hand maybe it's a kind of mockery because she hates it, but what he said later also supports the reading that he thinks she should cherish herself more and hopes she can move forward in life? As in a way to show sympathy and acknowledgement?
And Lisa is still right what now? It says shits like this and continues villainizing her.
Imuri actually thinking Lisa is cool this time around, the same way Lisa thought Imuri was cool hundreds of years ago, is touching. I'll give them that. There's been zero Imuri's interiority for the last half of Wrath and her first thought we're shown is "Lisa is so cool" and that she doesn't want to judge her as evil or foolish and even saying Lisa is right about something. Kind of confirmed that Imuri has not been living true to herself despite being so selfish because she's just been chasing after a fantasy and acting according to it to turn a blind eye to reality. And Yes Lisa is cool Imuri glad you finally notice.
I'm still waiting for Barbara's backstory, you would think an arc centered around feminine rage could tackle the character that was discriminated due to her looks by the men around her, and it's not like it connects to the theme of discrimation, pressure and expectations places upon women
What I expect from a so-called feminine rage arc: Barbara's backstory, LeahBarb's meeting, Imuri's focus and character development, whatever Mikhail's deal is, diving deeper into Tachibana Becu Manon and the witches' faction,...
What I get: several chapters glazing the Pope and church, Belphegor saving the world from ending at the hand of hysterical women, Marco referencing Malleus Maleficarum as his ultimate cool attack, Barbara being a "good feminist", Leah and Imuri getting this close to having as much presence as your average adult exorcist, and just the general direction of this arc.
Wow it's even worse when I list them out like all female characters except the strawman witch have zero relevancy. Even Imuri, one of the two main characters, has no inner thought except looking mildly disturb and her lines are literally just "Josh!!!!" or "Lisa.....". It's so ridiculous it's easier to think it's intentional. If anything I want to get out of this state before having her backstory because anything coming out right now will just be a shallow joke.
New chapter Lisa is being too sympathetic again so they'll have her kill a character (Marco) to emphasize that she's crazy and she needs to go down. And since every character from the conservative faction of the church is getting an entire chapter dedicated to their development, at this rate Nicholas is going to show up to fight Satan and have his redemption by saving Joshua or something.
The two women who should have the most to say to Lisa are reduced to supporting roles for a man to speak directly that they are not interested in addressing her points. In the ideal world this ought to be intentional but with the current level of writing I'm not even sure anymore.

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Why're some people saying "I don't even hate [character]/I actually like them they're great villain!" after spreading misinformation about those characters as if it's going to change anything?
Ooooohhhhhh what if wrath's main theme isn't the wrath of the trampled but the wrath of the ruling body when the weak dare to threaten their authority and deviate from their plan what if ooooohhhhh (no it's the "they went too far!" storyline for the umpteenth times)