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Tell people to use bigenital, salmacian, or dualsex, instead. If they're looking for a more scientific and less fiction-centric term, suggest cosexed, gonosimulite, or monoecious.

Read the fucking post. This shit pisses me off.

When I say "STOP SAYING THAT WORD" I do not mean "actually you can say it if it's not describing a person", no, I said stop fucking saying it, you asshole.

The idea that hermaphrodite = animal is INTERSEXIST. Do you know why? Because hermaphrodite means intersex person. I'm not a fucking animal. That's what the word originally meant, that's what it still means in the minds of the general public- and the fact it's been adopted into zoology is nothing but harmful to the intersex community. Now I have to explain to people every five seconds the difference between cosexual animals and intersex variations, because some zoologists a few hundred years ago compared slugs to intersex people.

Here is a list of sources you SHOULDN'T listen to about intersex issues & bodies

TERFs

Anyone who uses the term "DSD"

Intersex-medicalists

The medical establishment in general

Fanfiction

The trans community

Trans forums

Perisex (non-intersex) people in general

Futanari porn

Here is a list of sources you SHOULD listen to about intersex issues & bodies

Intersex advocacy groups

guess, what @rovermcfly​?

I could use:

* pointers to a good methodology to export discord threads, since copy-paste only gets … either a random amount of text, or up to a fixed number of characters/posts

* thoughts as to whether “back-of-the-hand side of the forearm is really unhappy doing a lot of shift-select and shift-navigation” is carpal tunnel or something else.

Am I being a huge arsehole? Yes! We’re in a heatwave, and my fury runs hotter than the sun! But also, consider this: we do need to have a conversation about appropriation of chosen names, and the fact that taking names from other cultures that you blatantly know literally nothing about (see: thinking that Welsh is Gaelic, accidentally naming yourself ‘wine’) and arbitrarily deciding that it has super uwu gender vibes just because you can’t easily place it within your own cultural context is Bad Actually. While the original thread on Twitter had a good point that white nonbinary people (of which I am one) need to stop taking East Asian names, I think that all the people taking ‘Gaelic’ (again, [sic]) names are just part of the same problem, which is the idea that being a white queer person somehow gives you a license to appropriate other cultures based solely on Gender Vibes TM, and like… no. No, it does not.

The thing is, you don’t get to just take a name from another culture and reduce it solely to the gender and meaning you give it as an individual outside of that culture, because that name has very specific meanings and contexts in its place and culture of origin. You don’t get to treat names from other cultures and languages in a way that you wouldn’t treat names from your own cultural and linguistic context. If this sounds like I’m saying ‘don’t make [insert culture here] names gender neutral’, then let me clarify that I’m not saying that at all. On the contrary, it’s completely fine to de/re-gender a name! Names are just phonemes and orthography is a construct, just like gender! Call yourself whatever you like; I think de-gendering and re-gendering names is good and right and proper. Howevs, it’s not OK to do it solely on the basis of a name’s non-Anglo roots, or because a name’s perceived strangeness (or uniqueness) or difference make it seem or sound genderless to you. You not having an awareness of a name’s meaning does not mean it doesn’t have a meaning.

If you wouldn’t make, idk, Kaylynn or Roger or Paul gender neutral, then ask yourself why you view non-Anglo names as inherently more malleable and available to reinterpret. Call yourself what you want! Chosen names are very very valid and very important! Just make sure you know why you view certain names as Rigid And Untouchable And Inherently And Inexorably Gendered and other names as ripe for reinterpretation, because often that reason is Anglocentrism and colonialism. Eirlys and Aiko and Aoife and Saoirse and Ryu and Bryn are only gender neutral if Graham and Rachel and Oliver and Alan and Nancy and Luke are gender neutral, i.e. on the basis that all names can be divested from a specific gendered context, not just names that you perceive as being somehow ~mystical genderless otherworldly super gender uwu names~.

tl;dr if a name’s Gender Vibes rest solely on it being from another culture and therefore somehow Magic And Beyond All Concepts of Gender, then you need to reconsider why that is, and whether you’re just exoticising it and taking aesthetics from a culture without respecting its meaning and origin. ‘It looks cool’ is not a good enough reason to decide that you get to use a name and divest it of all context. If you’re going to use a name from another culture, then for fuck’s sake, learn how to spell and pronounce it and what it means, and make sure that you’re doing it out of respect.

(Also, pet peeve, but for the love of holy God, don’t just pick a name because you like its uwu mystical Celtic vibes and then spend your whole life mispronouncing it and telling everyone that it means some absolute bullshit like ‘fiery dragon’ or ‘elven princess’. We cri evrytiem. Plus, you’ll probably just end up calling yourself ‘wine’.)

And ok, it is marginalised, it did not occur to me, very fair. I also said I do not speak for gaelic people or am saying they shouldnt be upset, it was more a general language thing.

however I disagree that you cant just take something and make it your own thing removed from meaning.

as Ive said, it is very common in some Japanese media that random german words just get used as names for whomstever, and it doesnt really make any difference or negative impact.

I’m not designating myself the arbiter of all things Gaelic, for three reasons: One: I’m Welsh, and Welsh isn’t a Gaelic (or Godeilic) language. If anyone wants to designate themselves Gaelic arbiter, it ain’t gonna be me. Two: the post isn’t about the appropriation of Welsh names, but the appropriation of names from marginalised / minority / otherwise ‘othered’ cultures in general, some of which categories Welsh nebulously belongs to, whilst still retaining a degree of privilege as a nation which has been on both sides of the colonial experience, hence my invocation of it in some of the examples above. I don’t want it to seem like my original post is only about Welsh names, because it isn’t. Three: I’m not being the arbiter of anything. I’m not banning or preventing anyone from doing anything, and nor am I designating morality. I’m simply suggesting that ‘this name is cool and ungendered’ is a reductive way of viewing names that exist outside of your cultural experience, and that you should reconsider using names that you don’t understand simply based on aesthetics, as taking things from one culture and removing all meaning from them and transplanting them with your own is a practise which is rooted in colonial history.

You say that you ‘disagree that you cant just take something and make it your own thing removed from meaning’. And that’s fine, but my rebuttal to this comment is literally just the original post. I’m not typing it out again and rephrasing it. I’ve already explained why this is a conversation requiring more nuance than ‘I am going to take this thing and remove its context’. Just re-read my whole first post and pretend I’m responding to you anew.

Your comment about German names being used in Japanese anime is not relevant. It isn’t the topic of the original post, which is about divesting names from context in favour of generic (and gendered) aesthetics, and the dynamics between German/Japanese culture and language are not equitable to anything discussed in the original post. As such, I won’t be engaging with it further.

I find it interesting that you say new generations are ‘removed from what the older generations went through’. This also seems reductive to me. Speaking solely from a relatively privileged white Welsh perspective, my own experience is that no, Welsh isn’t illegal any more, my dad doesn’t work down a mine, and my village wasn’t drowned to provide water to the English, but I can only speak the language of my country as a (very much non-fluent) second language owing to centuries of linguistic oppression, the part of Wales I live in (the South Wales Valleys) still suffers from extreme under-funding by Westminster and a lack of infrastructure and widespread generational poverty caused by centuries of exploiting the land at the expense of the people, and I get constant comments on my name being ‘like something from Lord of the Rings!’ or ‘ooh, that’s a very pretty name, but I thought it was spelt -wyn?’ or ‘is that like Anne?’ or ‘we were going to name our daughter that, because it means beautiful lily flower.’ When I say ‘please consider that my name isn’t the name of a magical gender-fluid elf,’ I’m saying ‘my name is a real name, rooted in real history and culture, and divesting it from its context and origins waters down my name to a couple of syllables which sound pretty to the untrained ear.’ For the myriad people who come from more marginalised cultures than me, and especially for people of colour, I can only imagine that suggesting that they are ‘removed from what the older generations went through’ is an even less accurate comment, given that racism and xenophobia are still very much A Thing, and are just as prevalent and insidious now as they’ve ever been. People might be removed from their ancestors’ experiences very literally by the space of a few decades or centuries, but in terms of experience, much of it is more entrenched than I think you realise. I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to say that the ‘younger generation’ should just put up and shut up, or that their grievances should remain historic. The past might be a foreign country, but we all still live in it. The damage that has been done historically hasn’t magically gone away because time has passed, and new wounds aren’t prevented from opening because there’s scar tissue.

so while we may not be beaten and have the Welsh Not hung around our necks in school anymore for speaking our language, the idea that we do not go through what our elders went through is ridiculous. oppression doesn’t only exist through laws. we still face the knock on effects of what England put our country through.

taking welsh names is just another form of that. it mystifies the language and often people completely butcher the pronunciation. there’s a reason I go by Angie (other than a degree of anonymity on the internet) - I hated my welsh name because I was surrounded by people who couldn’t pronounce it properly and I was told all my life that welsh was a useless language and welsh names sound stupid and ill never get a job if I use my welsh name.

I think it’s ridiculous that anglos have decided our language and names are ripe for the picking, but only the pretty ones. and who cares if its not pronounced properly or the language is further butchered - it’s only wales, right? and who cares about us?

since the time a bunch of bored poncy english men decided to revive druidry (oh but only the cutesy parts! only the uwu magical robed forest men) anglos have cherry picked and butchered our culture, our myths, our language.

I am proud of my welsh name now and the reason I am proud of it is because it connects me to my heritage and culture and the shared history and suffering I have in common with every other welsh person. it is like hiraeth to me. why would a random English or American or whoever person who has no connection to wales want a welsh name? whats the point? because it ~sounds pretty~? because that sounds exactly like every other instance of cherry picking from an oppressed culture that I’ve ever heard and is another way of making a mockery of a language with no regard or understanding of the country’s history or suffering.