If youâre a vegan dating a carnist
Then either
a)Â You arenât bothered by the fact that animals are tortured and killed with your partnerâs money. Then -> youâre not a vegan, youâre just plant based.
or
b)Â Youâve never talked to your partner about how animal products are unnecessary, unethical, env destructive, and unhealthy. Then -> what kind of a relationship is that? How does something of that importance NOT get brought up? Do they not care about whatâs important to you?Â
or
c)Â You have tried talking to your partner about things listed in b but they donât care / donât make an effort to listen. Then -> do they not care about truth or morality enough to listen to something that challenges them? If one cares about having the most logical opinion, wouldnât it make sense to listen to opposing views? Wouldnât it make sense to WANT to know what criticisms exist for the view you hold? If those criticisms are legit, they benefit because now they can edit their opinions to be something that makes more sense.
If your partner really donât care about challenging their opinions and making sure their morals make sense, why would you want to be with a closed minded person like that?
or
d) They know and understand the ethical and env harm done by eating animals and they are able to eat and buy vegan products. But they just donât give a fuck. They value their pleasure / convenience over ethics. Then -> congrats, your partner is an abusive piece of shit. They are the same kind of person whoâd be mean to a waiter for no reason and turn around and be sweet to you. (Except, you know, worse because literal torture, confinement, exploitation, and slaughter is worse than being rude to someone.)Â
So which one is it? Are you happy with that? Is that a good relationship to you? If not, change it. Talk to them, or be with someone who cares about you enough to listen / cares about the animals enough to go vegan / cares about truth and morality enough to consider opposing opinions.Â
bonus round:
e) If you plan to raise a kid together⌠how exactly are you going to reconcile a, b, c, or d, with parenting? Pls donât be that person who starts thinking about this shit AFTER they deliberately have a kid with someone.Â
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is this a joke
~Vanellope
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Was it ever just considered that people of two different beliefsâ even if they are completely oppositeâ can coexists in harmony and love each other?
and if they plan to raise a kidâ have you ever considered that they can raise the child with both beliefs and that neither is truly wrong and then when the child is old enough, allow them to make their own beliefs about whether or not they want to be vegan??
And no one considers those who canât go vegan bc of other dietary restrictions. I am supposed to stop eating grain of any kind ( Iâm in the process of slowly stopping right now) and that would make it almost impossible to go vegan since most vegan recipes have a lot of grain in them
Meg
Also you shouldnât be feeding an infant/young child a vegan diet at all, they need the proteins from animal products to develop correctly and there have been a few cases of vegan parents accidently killing their children via malnutrition because they attempted to feed them a full vegan diet
This is incorrect. It is entirely possible to feed a young child a vegan diet without risking their health. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics supports this. Yes, you can harm or even kill a child with an IMPROPER vegan diet, but that is true of ANY specialized diet. Again, The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics supports that vegan diets for children and even infants can be done safely, and if you have actual sources citing the opposite Iâd be interested in seeing them.Â
The academy can suck my dick, no child should ever be forced into any kind of diet unless specifically set up with their doctor for actual medical reasons.
âŚyou do realize that ANY thing you feed your kid is part of a âdietâ? If you feed them as an omnivore, youâre feeding them an omnivoreâs diet. If youâre trying to say that parents should not restrict a childâs diet, then youâre also saying that parents should not make no attempt to provide a healthy meal plan. I highly doubt that is your actual belief. Almost ALL parents restrict their childâs meals in some fashionâŚeither for health, tradition, or just because only certain foods are available to them. Feeding your kid as a vegan is no different then feeding them meat and potatoes and the occasional canned green veggy on the side. Both are choices the parents make for the kids, and both restrict the child from other foods.
None of which has anything to do with the substance of your first statement, which was that a vegan diet for children is by its nature actively DANGEROUS, if not outright lethal. Which is simply untrue and reflects a lack of research on your part. You can be against vegan diets for kids without the fear mongering. For someone who spends a lot of time pointing out how tumblr so often fear mongers and makes up false claims, I would expect better.
I would have to check into exactly how healthy it would be to restrict a child to a vegan diet yes, Iâll give you that one.
My other point stands. Humans naturally evolved with an omnivorus diet, choosing to dieviate from that diet nerds are be done CAREFULLY as has been noted even by yourself, and so it should not be forced on children until they are old enough to decide for themselves and can do so responsibly. (and for the love of god comparing stopping your child from eating too much candy is the the same thing as keeping your child on an entirely plant based diet)
And yes, I would say that about all diets, though I donât think you can compare some people cutting out only one or two types of meat or certain cuts of meat the same as eliminating meat, dairy, eggs, honey in some cases, and anything that contains any animal product at all.
Veganism, or most of the vegans Iâve interacted with anyways, are so because of certain moral ideology that should not be forced on anyone who can not consent or does not want to consent. That icluds children. (And not including some.of the horrible misinformation many vegans operate under or the senile of their diets own contribution to cruelty or destruction of environment)
âshould not be forced on anyone who can not consent or does not want to consentâ
Ah, so youâre not a fan of forcing oneâs ideologies onto being, I see. So how do you justify forcing your ideology to force knives into the throats of animals? Animals do not consent to that. So do you care about consent when the victims whose consent is being violated are animals?Â
Do you care about the animals and habitat that are destroyed by your diet? Or the people and animals exploited and underpaid by big produce industry? Or food staples of other cultures have g the prices jacked up so those people canât actually afford to buy them?
There is no diet that is cruelty free, to human or animal or environment. Before you start making moral accusations against someone perhaps actually look at the negative consequences of your own choices.
Right. No matter WHAT you consume (and not just speaking of food...in terms of media, clothing, housing, EVERYTHING), you are making a moral choice. ALL choices you make have positive AND negative effects on the wider world around you.
....which means feeding your child as a non-vegan is just as much an moral decision as feeding them a vegan diet, and both are a choice you are forcing on them. Youâre acting as if you get to somehow avoid making these choices for your kids until they can decide, but thatâs absolutely impossible. Feed your kid a hot dog? Congrats, youâve just made a decision about their moral priorities. Feed your kid a soy dog? Same thing. Buy them a shirt made in a factory by other kids? Only use cotton that youâve harvested and spun by hand? All moral choices youâre forcing on them.Â
Iâm not vegan. But this argument just boils down to you thinking making moral choices on a kidâs behalf is only okay if you personally agree with that choice. You want to make moral accusations that kids are being mistreated if fed vegan? Perhaps look at your own choices, consider how those would extend to any child you had, and then ask yourself why itâs okay for YOU to make moral choices for your kids and not the vegan parent down the street.










