I am a Machine that takes Ideas and Multiplies them

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Where do I even start. Jfc.

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Both are devoted to lightners and very specifically to Kris, (while Ralsei acts very much subservient to Susie as well as Kris, he seems to not dare to question or jokingly rib them (or more likely us) the way he does Susie. (see: him immediately backing out on disagreeing with our decision to go with Noelle to the festival on the weird route, like this is an extreme situation and he still feels like he has no place to tell us "no")

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both can only hope Kris is having fun through all of this,

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they're both extremely self sacrificial (Ramb lets himself die without trying to save himself at all just to let Kris play their games, and Ralsei offered to traumatize and hurt himself all over again for the reminder of the adventures for the rest of the game just so Susie and Kris won't see the ending of the prophecy)

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they both know they are darkners and therefore not real, they cling to that knowledge and distance themselves from the lightners they love because they know what they truly are, fiction, and think they shouldn't impose on the real people visiting their world

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They both have such difficulty thinking of themselves outside of their perceived "purpose", they know they are darkners, they know they're not real, so they know their wants and needs aren't real either. Their thoughts and feelings aren't to be considered because it's all a part of this made up story. The only real thing they can do is have an impact on the lightners, not that either of them would attempt to force that impact- they only act, serve or even speak only if they're given permission.

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adding onto that- they don't actually know what a healthy relationship is. They absolutely adore their lightners but (although Ralsei is starting to,) they don't realize what true friendship is. That it isn't just all self sacrifice and service to their loved ones, that it isn't to hide everything that you think makes you unpalatable just so you won't make them feel any negative emotion.

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(Some people have such a warped read of Ramb, but he wants Kris to come back to this dark world once they inevitably have to leave (and he knows that they'll have to leave at some point) , and starts to ask them to maybe come back one day in a very roundabout careful hinting way, as if asking directly would just be too much, and then he even takes it back thinking it really was completely out of line for him, a darkner, to ask anything of a lightner.)

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They refuse to be viewed as anything more than a made up story;

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Ralsei keeps repeating that he's not real, he's a darkner, Susie and Kris should have fun here but understand that one day they should leave and make some real friends instead. He completely dismisses the validity of his own feelings using his knowledge that he's a "fictional character", so they shouldn't even consider what he wants, he shouldn't want anything.

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Ramb keeps repeating that he's just a power strip, an object, not a real person you should treat as an equal, and even though he doubts the things he was told to do this chapter he doesn't say it to anyone and feels bad after hinting at it to Kris. He's so lonely and wants them to come back one day but feels as if he doesn't have the right to ask that of them. This want of his shouldn't be tethering Kris to unreality, even if he wants them to come back one day (not even stay here forever, just visit) it's something that shouldn't affect them and their decisions over what to do in their life, he shouldn't affect them like that.

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We met Jevil in the first chapter focusing on Susie;

While Susie isn't the sole focus of the chapter, she's definitely the character that gets the biggest arc.

She realizes that maybe she isn't incapable of friendship, and she won't destroy everything in her path anymore just because she can (or feels like she has to or else she's in danger or will be seen as weak, BUT she sees these actions of hers as just mayhem she causes because she can.)

The fight with Jevil only happens after the moment she realizes all this thanks to her fight and talk with lancer, after she decided to stop terrorizing everyone that comes her way, she finally meets an entity of true destruction that causes harm just for the hell of it.

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We met Spamton in the chapter that could focus on our relationship to Kris, if we so choose

(im saying could because even if its clear from the moment we meet Spamton how much Kris wants to pursue his cause (the freedom from the strings, "if you've lost control of your life...")

It's debatable if its Kris looking for a way out of the control of the soul or just wanting to help Spamton out of his situation which they view as similar to theirs (i personally believe the latter but yaknow))

its still our choice if to pursue Spamton and see what his story line will lead to, and see all those clear parallels to Kris, which is my opinion is deliciously poetic and fitting. in the chapter that could show us just how much control they lack in their life, they don't even have the control to choose if the parallels will be shown in the story.

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We met Ramb in the chapter where Ralsei reveals to Susie and keeps repeating how he isn't real and doesn't believe he deserves the love, kindness and friendship Susie and Kris offered him, not forever

Like- we still have Ralsei's speech from the beginning fresh in our minds when Ramb calls himself just a power strip (what he is in reality) and puts himself down like he shouldn't do anything except what Kris would want of him.

Ralsei begins to enjoy himself a little, playing as the main character on Tenna's board and having fun with the games in the green room while we were fighting Eram, in the same chapter where Ramb let himself die for his purpose to Kris, as if it was showing us the two diverting paths to this line of thinking that they share-

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Either you listen to the people around you who tell you and KEEP telling you that you matter and you're loved, and slowly start to heal and finally enjoy your life,

Or you shut it all out and only listen to your lying inside voice, stick to your warped world view where you don't matter and you could never be loved unless you give all you are away, and die alone and forgotten.

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Even the fact that Gaster calls Susie and Kris wonderful people, but doesn't say anything for Ralsei, feels reminiscent of how the story treats Spamton and Jevil compared to Ramb, despite how hard both he and Ralsei tried to be good.

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