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Dad tried to get close to his twins with force stealth, but they spotted him before he turned the corner.

Veers is very tall… I’ll draw Jerjerrod another time 😵

Hi Anon

"Obi Wan kenobi has annoying fans that glaze him up at Anakin's expense with double standars, that's a truth"

Agreed, my problem isn´t the fans themselves but when the creators do this they truly bring some complications. I am sorry but an Obi-Wan that was a slave, even for a few days, is an Obi-Wan who would have been way more empathetic to child Anakin in TPM, if just for their shared experiences and he definitely would have not left Shmi in slavery while keeping her Son away from her.

Obi-Wan is a Coruscant raised Jedi who believed the best path for Anakin was to leave all his "attachments" behind (mother, friends, Padme) to truly become to chosen one and bring balance to the force so his training for Anakin was developed around this idea, to write him otherwise breaks movie canon.

This is also my problem with Obi-Wan´s TV series that also break OT canon, it didn´t made sense for Vader to let go of Obi-Wan when he had him captured( it´s obvious the reason was the plot) and it didn´t made any sense for Obi-Wan to be able to kill Vader and stop himself from doing so, because then Obi-Wan desperate need to train Luke in the OT doesn´t make sense and it´s unnecesary, it doens´t make sense he went as far as lying to Luke about his own father so he would unknowingly kill him, which is something horrible that I don´t think Obi-Wan took lightly, I believe it was pretty hard for him to do so. If Obi-Wan could personally kill Vader, he would have done it for the good of the galaxy and spare Luke and Leia from having to do it.

The reason why Yoda and Obi-Wan were in hiding in the OT was precisely because they could not kill Vader and the Emperor, that´s why they need Luke and Leia, Vader and the Emperor knew Obi-Wan and Yoda were stil alive but they didn´t seek them out because they didnt´care about them as long as they didn´t get in their way while ruling the galaxy, that´s why Vader isn´t surpised to see Obi-Wan alive in ANH and why he told him he should not have come back because then Vader is obligued to kill Obi-Wan.

So yes, Obi-Wan fans can get annoying but creators can be a lot worse because they write or make material that literally breaks canon which is why a lot of fans got dissapointed with SW as it wasn´t a coherent story anymore, This has been happening since the ST, it could have been a lot better if they only respected canon.

But,,and I don't wnat to come off as one of those fans, I feel like some people,(not talking about you nor naming anyone) who actually see the flawed man he is,tend to ovecorrect a bit.

From my experience, it´s more that fans want to talk about Obi-Wan in a nuanced way and they can´t because his strongest fans perceive that as an attack of the character instead of seeking to give him his nuance back and so both sides can take to extremes their interpretation of Obi-Wan even when it wasn´t their original intention.

I personally like Obi-Wan quite a lot but it doesn´t seem that way because most of the time I have to talk in Anakin´s defense to give him a little bit of his nuance back, but I like Obi-Wan as we see him in the OT and PT, not the fanon version some fans prefer because they love Ewan Mcgregor and can´t imagine him being less than perfect.

I love Obi-Wan´s sense of humor even if he is a bit of a jerk to Anakin, Qui-Gon, Satine and bassically all his loved ones, including enemies, like Maul, he is sassy, that´s a part of him, he is loving even if he would be damned before he openly says it instead of using sarcasm as a shield, he is extremely loyal, well intentioned, pragmatic, knows how to move fast in a bad situation, loves the Jedi Order as his family with all his heart and also loves the Skywalker family.

That said, I don´t believe he loves Anakin or even Luke more than being a Jedi as some of his biggest fans affirm, most of his motivation in both trilogies and TCW, which are the works approved by Lucas so I tend to treat them as more canon than other material, ObiWan´s priority has always been the Jedi Order, even the reason why he decided to stay on Tatooine to watch over Luke was for the Jedi Order, not for Anakin and Padme, even if he most probably had many feelings for them too.

For Obi-Wan watching over Luke and train him was a mission he had to acomplish to save the galaxy, defeat the sith and bring back balance to the force, that´s why he choose to lie to Luke about his father real fate in order to convince Luke to defeat and kill Vader and the Emperor. He could not allow himself to be more emotionally compromised with Luke or even Anakin´s memory, because that would have stood in the way of his mission for the Order even if there were only Yoda and him around left.

like him like being a manipulative jerk

That said, I don´t believe Obi-Wan is a natural manipulative jerk, he is more like, if the mission needs it I will be the biggest manipulative jerk you have ever seen otherwise I will just annoy you with my ssassines but you will still love me anyway. That´s another big part of Obi-Wan, he can be ruthless when he needs to be, that´s why we are shown in ANH how easily he cuts off the arms of criminals who were menacing Luke, that´s Obi-Wan using his protective steak to acomplish the mission, it´s a part of him but that doesn´t mean he is always like that or that he lies and manipulates because he wants to or enjoys it, he does it when he has convinced himself he needs to for the greater good.

all what he is and many feel like he is unsympathetic who didn't deserve a happy ending as a force ghost. How much do you think those reactions are warranted?

I have not seen fans believing Obi-Wan deserved to not have a happy ending tbh, tumblr is very big so I could be mistaken but in general I believe most fans would have prefered for Obi-Wan to grow old with the Jedi Order and for Palpatine to have failed to take over the galaxy, that´s pretty much general perception from the comments I have seen.

I also wish Obi-Wan would have had a happy ending living with the Jedi and spending time visiting Anakin´s family just as mush as I wish Anakin would have raised his twins with Padmé on Naboo and get back to his original wish to free all the slaves in the galaxy. I see this as an alternative ending that could have happened, they were close to having it and the tragedy is that it didn´t become a reality but that´s also what makes the pathos in star wars so strong and such a significative story for many fans.

He trained Luke to face Vader while deliberately withholding the fact that Vader was his father. He framed Vader as a separate monster who had “betrayed and murdered” Anakin Skywalker, and when Luke finally confronted him with the truth and said he could not kill his own father, Obi-Wan’s answer was basically: then the Emperor has already won.

That was not an accident. That was the point.

Even Yoda, when Luke confronts him, does not say, “You never needed to know.” He says Luke was not ready for the burden. Which means they both understood exactly what they had hidden from him, and why.

And then we have the prequels.

On Mustafar, Obi-Wan did not just “walk away.” He cut off Anakin’s legs and his remaining organic arm, watched him catch fire, listened to him scream, and then left him there to burn alive.

In the very famous Revenge of the Sith novelization, Obi-Wan thinks it would be merciful to end Anakin’s pain.

But he was not feeling merciful.

So he turned his back.

You can argue he could not bring himself to kill Anakin. You can argue he was emotionally destroyed. You can argue he rationalized it through the Jedi code because Anakin was unarmed.

All of that can be true.

But the ending is still what it is: He left someone to burn to death. The same boy he had raised since he was nine.

Obi-Wan is compelling because his morality is broken in deeply human ways. He is compassionate, loyal, self-sacrificing, traumatized, loving — and also capable of cruelty, rationalization, manipulation and terrible decisions while still believing he is doing what must be done. His dichotomy is the point.

And that is why I hate the “Saint Kenobi did nothing wrong” version of him. It makes him boring, and honestly, it breaks the coherence of the story.

And one of the reasons I especially hate the whole “Obi-Wan suffered more than Anakin and never turned to the dark side” argument is because it is a horrifying comparison.

Anakin was groomed by Palpatine since he was nine years old. And that grooming was enabled by serious institutional failure, because somehow a grown politician in his fifties was allowed private access to a vulnerable former slave child.

Anakin was born enslaved. Then he was separated from his mother and his fear, his anger, his passion, his attachment to his mother — everything that made him human and traumatized — became a problem to be corrected, and worse, seen as a danger. As if a child in that situation should not feel fear, when fear was very natural emotion considering what happend and where he was.

Then his mother died in his arms. And then, barely an adult, he was thrown into a galactic war and expected to lead as a general.

Obi-Wan was twenty-five when he met Anakin. He lost his master, whom he loved. Later, he lost Satine, whom he also loved. His life was not easy. I am not pretending it was.

But to say he lost more than Anakin, or that he lived under the same circumstances and simply "choose better", is a terrible lie this fandom has repeated for a very, very long time.

After Anakin’s fall, you can say Obi-Wan lost more in one specific sense: he survived the genocide of his people. He lived with the ruins. Everyone he knew, cared with, his culture. Was gone.

While Anakin lost himself. He was groomed, broken, mutilated, burned, enslaved again under Sidious, and trapped for over twenty years inside a machine that kept him alive in constant pain.

And second: Obi-Wan may not have fallen to the dark side, but that did not stop him from making extremely questionable decisions.

He left Anakin to burn alive, he tried to make Luke commit patricide, then justified the lie afterward with the infamous “from a certain point of view.”

Falling to the dark side corrupts someone almost entirely. But not falling does not automatically make someone virtuous.

This stuff is what elevates Obi-Wan over the 21903788917391th dead mentor characters out there, imo. He is not a traitor. He is not evil. He's more devoted to the greater good than Luke is. But ESB is a movie where "nobody's story is what it seems" and that suddenly turns it from a fun space fantasy romp to something much more arresting, by making you ask these questions.

Falling to the dark side corrupts someone almost entirely. But not falling does not automatically make someone virtuous.

I got a comment on one of my TikTok videos that really didn’t sit right with me. It basically said “any pretty girl could’ve played Princess Leia.”

That couldn’t be further from the truth.

A lot of people don’t realize this but Carrie Fisher was also a script doctor. She was brought in to punch up dialogue and develop characters in films like Hook, Sister Act, The wedding singer, and more. She even started doing this work on Star Wars, especially during The Empire Strikes Back.

And while Harrison Ford gets a lot of credit for changing the line to “I know” (which was iconic), that was just one moment. Carrie wrote and rewrote so much dialogue some of it even for other characters.

So no not just “any pretty girl” could’ve played her. Carrie Fisher was brilliant and incredibly witty. She added so much depth to Star Wars and the dialogue we all love so much wouldn’t have been the same without her. Thank you for coming to my ted talk lol

happy may fourth !

“But— but- Satine!!” Yeah, bi people like women too, kinda how that works.

“But Jedi can’t have relationships!!” Then by that logic there are no straight Jedi either…

Also, they were acting like it was some sort of shock, or like it came completely out of nowhere. Obi-Wan is probably the fruitiest bitch in the galaxy. His ass was sat leg up in his council chair in his custom knee-high Prada boots while Windu was telling Anakin he couldn’t become a Master LMAO. There was so much chemistry in the combined five minutes that he was on screen with Cody that they became one of the most popular ships in this fandom. Disney confirming him as bisexual was just confirming what was already glaringly obvious. That man likes men. Y’all are just blind asf.

Edit because y’all still think I’m lying; The Padawan novel isn’t the only instance where Obi-Wan is implied to be Queer, in the ROTS novelization by Matthew Stover, when Palpatine hints towards Obi-Wan having an affair with a Senator, Anakin assumes it’s a “he” until Palpatine corrects him with “she”. This novel came out in 2005, he’s BEEN QUEER.

I genuinely love this poster by Lucas Marangon to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of "Star Wars" (back in the days before anyone called it "A New Hope")