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This is kinda random (ill try not to make it too long), im a marauders fan, but i dont hate snape. I think they're really complex characters (talking about both categories), because they both evolved and joined the "good" side eventually. The whole book is quite morally grey, now that i think about it, cause as a kid, i used to separate everything in the good guys and bad guys. Also quick point on Regulus, he was a complex character as well, i enjoy reading headcanon/fanon versions of him, and jegulus is a pretty nice ship, i like their dynamic. Again, sorry for a long ask, just wanted to put this out there, maybe get your opinion?
What gets called a "complex character" often seems absurdly broad to me, especially in a children's and young adult series where most of the cast isn't particularly complex to begin with. Not when you compare them to characters from adult literature, characters who do genuinely morally questionable things, whose good actions require them to commit terrible ones to achieve worthwhile outcomes, or whose ethical decisions are genuinely difficult and messy.
In Harry Potter, Snape is considered one of the most complex characters in the series. But if you took Severus out of that universe and dropped him into almost any adult piece of fiction, the man would practically be a hero. He wouldn't even fit the archetype of an antihero. Hell, even if you put him into a complete meme of a universe like Euphoria, he'd still be a better person than 80% of the cast, and we're talking about a very mainstream series here.
So where exactly is this supposed complexity? That he made terrible decisions as an abused teenager and later regretted them? His "sins" don't even come close to what supposedly morally good characters in universes like A Song of Ice and Fire have done. Arya Stark alone has committed acts that are far more ethically and morally questionable than anything Snape ever did. It's like the standard people use to measure complexity and moral ambiguity is unbelievably childish. If people consider Snape a bad guy imagine if they read, idk, the fucking Fahrenheit 451 and they have to face the fucking main character that is Montag, who basically is AN ACTIVE PART OF THE FASCIST POLICE in his world and his fucking whole arc is understand why he's a bad guy and basically becoming a part of the resistance. It genuinely feels as though the most "adult" thing many people in this fandom have ever consumed is Stranger Things, and beyond cartoons aimed at seven-year-olds and Disney movies, they've never engaged with anything else.
That said, I think every character can become interesting if you actually stick to the canon.
If you portray James Potter as the cynical, classist hypocrite he was —a boy who performed progressivism while harbouring deeply reactionary attitudes and enormous class-based cognitive dissonance— then he's interesting, because contradiction is interesting. But if you try to sell me the idea that James was simply a hero, sunshine incarnate, a fun-loving boy with a heart of gold, then what a load of rubbish. Not just because it's demonstrably false, but because what is even interesting about a character like that? It's unbearably dull.
Sirius is fascinating precisely because he is the king of cognitive dissonance. He's riddled with contradictions. The ideology he claims to believe in isn't reflected in his actions whatsoever, and his rejection of his family is ultimately a rejection of himself, because he ends up reproducing many of their attitudes while simply placing them on the "right" side of the conflict. He's still prejudiced, still violent, still lacking in empathy in many of the same ways as his relatives, and that's incredibly compelling.
Now, if your version of Sirius is a sad little twink whose entire problem is that his mother hates him because he's gay, and instead of giving him a genuinely complex relationship with her —one rooted in power dynamics, rebellion against authority, mutual attempts at control— you reduce everything to "his mother was evil and he cried in his room because she wouldn't let him wear makeup," then what an utterly dreadful character. Not only because that version bears no resemblance whatsoever to the actual Sirius, but because it's painfully boring. The Twink Sirius™ whose main source of angst is wanting to sleep with a werewolf while his homophobic mother disapproves isn't just an overused cliché; it's devoid of depth. There's no real conflict there, only a stereotype that's been recycled to death.
The same goes for the version of Remus who gets turned into some hyper-confident ladies' man alpha male who's secretly misunderstood by everyone. Not only does it make no sense, but it's infinitely less interesting than the actual Remus: a man who knew perfectly well what was right and wrong, yet lacked the courage to confront his friends because he was terrified of rejection. He chose complicity in violence and injustice because preserving his own place within the group mattered more than doing the right thing. That's what makes him interesting. Not the possibility that he might have been gay. Being gay isn't a personality trait. Sorry, but it simply isn't.
And Regulus? Love, I genuinely don't understand what people find so complex about Regulus.
Regulus is essentially a mirror image of Draco. He was always aligned with his family's values; nobody forced him to be the way he was. He took pride in who he was and what he represented. His motivations for joining the Death Eaters stemmed from the importance he placed on family and blood purity. Then one day he discovered that his idol didn't actually care about blood purity at all, only about immortality and power, and worse still, believed himself entitled to take what belonged to Regulus. So Regulus rebelled, exactly as an aristocrat would.
But instead of exploring that, people seem obsessed with headcanons about him being another helpless twink—because apparently both Black brothers have collectively been reduced to fragile little sad boys—who needs to be rescued by some tanned, bespectacled stud straight out of a Televisa telenovela. What can I say? I find it incredibly tedious.
The truth is that this fandom often feels painfully unimaginative. There's such a limited understanding of complexity, nuance, literary taste, character construction, competent writing—because, frankly, the quality of most fanfiction is abysmal—dialogue, all of it. Everything gets flattened until a character's entire personality revolves around being gay and having parents who don't understand them.
These were teenagers growing up in the 1970s on the brink of a literal war. I think they probably had bigger things occupying their minds. More importantly, I think that if characters are going to be interesting, their personalities and struggles need to emerge from multiple intersecting influences. Human beings are complicated. Their conflicts don't exist in a vacuum.
And yet this fandom grants these characters absolutely none of that complexity. A cactus has more personality than some of these headcanons. A rock is more interesting than reading yet another "Sirius crying because his mother won't let him wear eyeliner" scenario.
At a certain point, it genuinely feels as though people are writing for an audience that either has no interest in complexity whatsoever or simply lacks the ability to engage with anything beyond the most basic, surface-level characterisation imaginable.
Love how Anakin gets Wrecker to safety there, he´s like I am not leaving without all my kids back there.
Rex and Echo brotherhood is awesome
- the boy is dangerous. they all sense it. why can’t you? - qui-gon, sir, i don’t want to be a problem.

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This scene is still living rent free in my head
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aww Ani and Padme are making people on the battlefield sing and dance, awesome moment :D the power of anidala.
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Anti- Anakin fans think they are Anakin´s biggest haters but in reality Anakin is the founder member of the art of hating Anakin :)
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The combat between the Jedi Council and Darth Sidious on Palpatine´s offices was just an scenario to turn Anakin to the darkside, just like the Death Star II was an scenario to turn Luke, if Palpatine didn´t felt that Anakin approached while dueling Mace he would have just activated Order 66 to kill Mace and sent the clone army agaisn´t the Jedi temple and probably, told them to capture Anakin and Padme to get Anakin´s kids.
The tragedy in ROTS is that it´s already too late since the start of the movie, Palpatine only needed to turn Anakin to the darkside but he already had the army and the Senate under his control, the Empire was already active in all but name, he didn´t need Anakin to create the Empire, he never did but he wanted the chosen one´s force power to get greater acess to the force at it´s hightest levels, think about Mortis or the World between worlds force levels.
For every "Anakin shouldn't have been redeemed blah blah Luke is stupid blah blah SW has a bad message because it teach to forgive abusers blah blah" I draw one more Luke hugging his dad, or one more Padmé bloodsucking her husband

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At the end of the day he was just a boy who lost his mother
Me: Yeah, I'm gonna Log off the internet for the so called "touch grass" sentiment and stop seeing bad fandom takes.
My sister: Anakin had darkness in him since he was a kid, which is why he shouldn't have been trained. And Obi-Wan suffered and Anakin was ungrateful to him.
…OHHH FUCKK DUDEEE-!! He’s pulling the “you’re my dad, so you won’t harm/kill me/hand me over” AND IT’S NOT WORKINHGHGG FUVCCKKK MMEEEE-!! Oh honey, that’s soooo~ freaking sad he believes himself dead and gone, no one to obey but his master the emperor. Shit dude. Fucking crazy shit.

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I don't think that fans understand that if Obi-Wan's sad sobbing backstory in these Jedi Padawan/Quest series of books were true, it would make him look worse in the movies, it would mean that despite having a lot of common with Anakin (allegedly, because two weeks of slavery aren't comparable to 10, among many other things), despite being othered and rejected over and over, he still chose to be an ass and suck as a mentor.
And not even in a fun "this is an abuse cycle" way!
I do think is funny tho, these books are used to excuse everything about Obi-Wan's behavior, but Anakin is demonized and people jump onto you if you imply his issues are rooted on trauma.
Of course Anakin's crimes aren't justified, and of course Obi-Wan never did anything as abhorrent as Anakin's crimes. But if you dare to imply Obi-Wan was less than stellar, or god forbid, emotionally abusive, people will come to you in drones citing these damg books like they're an excuse lol
Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb type of argument. But I'm not here to say Anakin is the lesser of evils, I'm not here to say Vader didn't do anything wrong, but see that's the issue, because once you point the systemic failures that led to Vader existing, people will cry and howl that you're defending fascism or some bullshit.
But Obi-Wan didn't do wrong, never. Obi-Wan exists separated from this evil system. Obi-Wan is a bubble of goodness unaffected by the corrupting powers of evils, despite suffering almost as much as Anakin. Obi-Wan's little flaws are actually because he suffered just so much.
Having bad parents, having abusive or neglectful parents isn't a excuse for evil. But that doesn't mean they're free of all or any blame in how they shaped a person.
Is not Obi-Wan's fault Anakin was groomed, not directly, sure. Sure. But he sucked ass as a "parent", and as a brother too. He didn't want that kid, he's like the older brother being forced to take care of his half brother because their dad kicked the bucket. And now he resents the kid because he's saddled with a giant responsibility, except he's the one who actively made that choice.
It's fundamentally toxic, the fundation was doomed at the start. And there's always room for improvement, heck, their relationship seemed to start to improve a bit by ROTS, when Anakin was an adult and ironically drifting away from needing Obi-Wan emotionally. And at that moment it was too late and it all went down in flames.
But that isn't a excuse for Obiwoobie Kenobie, but he was so good guys, he had no flaws and no blame and he's just a victim and the universe was against him since day 1.
luke skywalker figured this shit out in 1991 yet there's still people who do not understand the fundamental problem with the jedi/republic relationship in the pt