GAIDEN SPOILERS
When Kye-sook says that Hak's role is worthy of a name... what is that, I wonder? King-consort? There is an implication that his status will rise...
Formal title: Grand Herald of the Roads and Eyes of Her Majesty
Short form: Royal Eye of the Roads
Official description
A dignity granted to the person who travels across the Five Tribes in the name of the Crown, listens to the people, inspects roads and settlements, proclaims royal decrees, and reports directly to Her Majesty everything he has witnessed.
Actual description
Hak continues travelling across the kingdom, solving problems and acting as an intermediary, but now Kye-sook has given the position a title so that it looks as though Hak has been promoted.
Yep. I don't see people discussing this either but wtf were the 5 tribes doing? Are they not looking out for their respective tribes? What was the tribal meeting even for? Why isn't Hak working with the Earth Tribe, Geun-tae, Joon-gi etc. and just suffering through this solo?
Yep. Ngl I don't see people discussing this either but wtf were the 5 tribes doing? Are they not looking out for their respective tribes? What was the tribal meeting even for? Why isn't Hak working with the Earth Tribe, Geun-tae, Joon-gi etc. and just suffering through this solo?
I think we may be left without an answer, honestly. There are so many basic questions about how the tribes and the kingdom are supposed to function that I’m not sure it is worth trying to make sense of it anymore.
Yeah there's no substance remaining in this series. It's just the aesthetic larping of a political fantasy. Everyone just naively believes "everything will be fine with Yona as queen". It's dead to me.
Su-Won and his loyalists should have at minimum been faced formal trial during the transition of power, and he should have publicly acknowledged what he did to the kingdom and explained to the people why he did it. Ugh that would have been SO good and a step forward for his character which was all about deception! Carrying out a coup d'état can't just be glossed over like that. He gets to just keep it all some personal secret until he goes to his grave? Fuck that, that bastard needs some accountability.
Historically, the way Yona handled this transition was very unrealistic. Rulers don't just absorb people who tried to murder her multiple times without political consequence, that's how you invite future coups. She should have confronted them explicitly about the coup, the assassination, investigated everyone involved, made an official record of its planning, the events, and given terms. She had zero agency in this matter, though, Su-Won called all the shots and she was his yesman.
Welp Yona is an unrealistic person in general. To be fair, no matter the good Soo-won did, what kind of daughter forgives her father’s murderer and now chats with him over tea with honey? Why is Hak still more angry than she ever was? She forgave and surrounded herself with people who spat in her face and wiped their feet on her, I’m not sure it’s something to be proud of.
Yona wouldn’t win any trial though if she tried that, the whole country hates her father, all the nobles, all the generals. No one gives a shit about him and many people were helped out by Soo-won. I don’t think anyone would want Soo-won punished for killing him, even though it was kinda rude lol. Deserved tho
The whole forgiveness trope made it a bit too far in this story overall imo. I think Yona not killing Soo-won and them peacefully parting ways would’ve sufficed, and would’ve been better in general for both of them. But I get that Soo-won never wanted Yona or Hak dead, and he went very far for them. I also see no other place for Soo-won than an influential political figure, he was born for that stuff. To Yona his knowledge is super useful too as she’s now only learning, and he likes what he’s doing soo🤷♀️
Same with Keishuk and the other plotters, Yona normally should’ve gotten rid of them. You rule alone surrounded by people you can realistically never trust. If we’re real they’re just using Yona because she’s useful to them, they NEVER were kind to her or in any way proved they mean no harm, on the contrary made it crystal clear - one mistake and you’re dead. But the story didn’t show any substitution for them, I guess Yona simply doesn’t have a choice but to stick with them. Thats why her end is kinda hopeless, it feels as if she had no choice but to go along with this.
Yona did have an alternative: she could have refused the throne.
She was not being compelled by a law of nature, an irresistible prophecy, or an assembly crowning her at spearpoint.
She could have said:
“I do not want the throne under these conditions.”
“I will not govern by relying on the same men who tried to kill me.”
“I will not accept a crown handed to me by the man behind the coup without a clear transition, an investigation, or any conditions.”
But she accepted it. From that moment on, she cannot be presented as someone with no options who was simply swept along by circumstances. She chose to enter that structure.
Even after accepting the throne, Yona still had alternatives. She could have dismissed Kye-sook. She could have refused to keep Su-Won as an adviser. She could have replaced those involved in the coup and formed her own government.
That would have meant actually exercising power. But she would also have needed her own competent people, administrative knowledge, a political network, experience, and a transition plan. She had none of those things.
Then it would have become obvious that Yona was not prepared to govern without relying on Su-Won’s political and administrative machinery.
A kingdom does not remain standing because its queen stares intensely at the reports until they arrange themselves.
So it is not true that she “had no choice.” She had choices, but the alternatives would have exposed her lack of capacity:
Refuse the throne, and give up the ending the narrative wanted for her.
Accept the throne and purge the court, risking serious collapse because she had no competent replacements.
Accept the throne and keep Kye-sook and Su-Won, allowing the kingdom to function while undermining any claim to genuine independence.
Agency does not mean having a comfortable option. It means choosing between difficult alternatives and accepting the consequences.
Yona chose the third option. It may have been pragmatic. It may even have been the least harmful option. But it was still a choice, and it should be called what it was: Yona inherited the crown, but she also inherited Su-Won’s government, including his officials and his knowledge.
She did not build a government of her own. She placed herself at the top of the existing one.
Which makes the idea that everyone now depends on Yona’s extraordinary political ability rather amusing. If she dismissed the administrator and rejected the former king as her adviser, she would probably be left without a kingdom within two days, and without any subjects capable of appreciating how incredibly “fortunate” they are to have her as queen.
The crown is hers. The machinery of government still belongs to them.
That would have meant actually exercising power. But she would also have needed her own competent people, administrative knowledge, a political network, experience, and a transition plan. She had none of those things. Then it would have become obvious that Yona was not prepared to govern without relying on Su-Won’s political and administrative machinery. A kingdom does not remain standing because its queen stares intensely at the reports until they arrange themselves.
Indeed. Yona had no effective strategy on her own how to raise the country out of its ashes. Yona is responsible for this statue as well.
Therefore it is the more logical conclusion to use the given resources, because strife would hurt the whole country further.
If she had wished to get killed sooner than later, she could have tried to eliminate Soo Won, but this would have led sooner or later either to her murder or to Hak´s.
Agency does not mean having a comfortable option. It means choosing between difficult alternatives and accepting the consequences. Yona chose the third option. It may have been pragmatic. It may even have been the least harmful option. But it was still a choice, and it should be called what it was: Yona inherited the crown, but she also inherited Su-Won’s government, including his officials and his knowledge.
I think, it goes even further. How many people of the entire Sky Tribe had collaborated? Basically all the guards. How deep is Soo Won´s rule established? I think, it would be difficult if not completely impossible to remove Soo Won. Or she may call herself "Bloody Mary". The Tudor daughter had tried to reestablish the former belief and remove disobedient people with disastrious consequences.
Should she let Jon Gi, Lily´s father, who has also collaborated also be killed? What about Geuntae, who has a little son? Does she wish for the son to take revenge on her? Or even become like Soo Won´s father, kiling the baby?
Then she would hurt Lily the same way, she was hurt. I think, that this girl has greatly helped Yona to see the possible consequences.
Which makes the idea that everyone now depends on Yona’s extraordinary political ability rather amusing. If she dismissed the administrator and rejected the former king as her adviser, she would probably be left without a kingdom within two days, and without any subjects capable of appreciating how incredibly “fortunate” they are to have her as queen. The crown is hers. The machinery of government still belongs to them.
Indeed. Like in the example I have provided with Japan´s history. Yona was lucky, that Soo Won bent the knee in front of her, as she was also responsible for the disaster in the first place.
The former japanese emperor, the "compassionate" collaborated with the Eagle, because they spared his life.
I never argued that Yona should execute every person who collaborated with Su-Won. Accountability does not automatically mean bloodshed. There were many possibilities between keeping the entire existing power structure unchanged and carrying out a violent purge: investigation, public acknowledgment, selective dismissal, limitations on authority, formal conditions, and gradual institutional reform.
Naturally, none of that could be achieved in a single day. Then again, this is Yona, who became a god-tier archer in a couple of months, so perhaps rebuilding the state apparatus before lunch would not be beyond her.
But I agree with one thing you said: Yona had no effective strategy or administrative structure of her own, so keeping Su-Won and Kye-sook was the pragmatic option. That is precisely my point. She had choices, but she chose continuity because she was not capable of governing without the machinery they had built.
It may have been the least harmful choice, but it was still her choice, and it does not demonstrate political independence.
I never argued that Yona should execute every person who collaborated with Su-Won. Accountability does not automatically mean bloodshed. There were many possibilities between keeping the entire existing power structure unchanged and carrying out a violent purge: investigation, public acknowledgment, selective dismissal, limitations on authority, formal conditions, and gradual institutional reform.
If she had the resources yes, but most of the government served under Soo Won. Yona lacks the literal possibilty to perform this trick. Yona needed the literal education to come up even with this. I think, she might be clever enough, but she surely lacks much methodical knowledge on how to run a country.
Even though I believe, the people involved are all so strickingly and unnaturally nice, that they would have removed themselves.
Naturally, none of that could be achieved in a single day. Then again, this is Yona, who became a god-tier archer in a couple of months, so perhaps rebuilding the state apparatus before lunch would not be beyond her.
If you practice archery, it is not impossible to shoot successfully in a couple of hours, actually. Not on moving objects at the beginning, but later it would be likely possible. Since I have at least a little experience with archery, I believe it is not unrealistic for Yona to become good at archery in a short time frame.
Kusanagi however, was not so unrealistic to establish, that Yona could literally run a country on her own in a short time.
But I agree with one thing you said: Yona had no effective strategy or administrative structure of her own, so keeping Su-Won and Kye-sook was the pragmatic option. That is precisely my point. She had choices, but she chose continuity because she was not capable of governing without the machinery they had built. It may have been the least harmful choice, but it was still her choice, and it does not demonstrate political independence.
Indeed. Japan could only stand on its feet after years after the Second World War. 1952 they became independant.
If becoming an accomplished archer only takes a couple of months, apparently we have all been wasting our Olympic potential.
Maybe you have. I know, you consider my words not true, likely. But I tried it out myself. I was astonished, when I was able to shoot the aim within mere 2 hours.
Did I became a master at shooting? Certainly not. But I was able to hit the aim - an unmoving object - not too far away from the centre. Why should Yona then not be able to learn archery in a short time frame?
If Yona trains for months for several hours, she certainly might be able to shoot moving objects. Yoon taught her how, additionally. She had to take into consideration, how her opponent would move.
Yona must be certainly pretty strong herself, since she is used to draw the bow. You need quite a fair amount of muscle to perform that trick.















