Hello!

It’s simply my delulu a$$ acting up if I think putting this comment in the middle of gaiden 4 could mean we could get new content somewhere in the future?🥹

There is too much hidden, that most people wouldn´t be really happy.

What would I give, if some things would have been really talked through? (I still think, this is a good story, but still...)

Like she can write compelling stories. She has proven it previously.

Never has the idea of spying on someone’s posts I don’t like or don’t agree with (and I saw plenty), taking screenshots of them and posting them on a different platform to create a hate discussion of it, visited my head. It was not cool to see my posts secretly posted on a platform I don’t even use myself (Reddit for example, they didn’t even hide the name of my account, or of other accounts) and see very offensive words directed at me personally over my opinion on a fictional character.

As I was posting here, I was open to any discussions only here and didn’t allow my posts used anywhere else behind my back (even anonymously) for hateful discussions. If you don’t agree with what someone says this much, you were free to join the discussion on the author’s post if you’re so passionate about the topic. If you don’t want to join the discussion directly, then mind your own business and don’t spread hatred, an even better option.

Many other accounts as I saw were in an identical situation over the last years. Now I see similar posts of some people shaming other people’s posts about not liking the finale, hating the absence of a wedding, etc. Some people are unable to differentiate between fiction and real life, neither can be content with their own opinions, sadly.

Every reader has a right for their own opinion regarding a fictional story and its characters, expressing thoughts, feelings and opinions, be they positive or negative, is allowed. Yes, not liking something and expressing disappointment over fiction is allowed, the characters won’t be offended. We are reading a story and are allowed to form different opinions and preferences about everything, have different thoughts and feelings about stuff going on. I too know it is not pleasant to see people hate on a topic you like but I think staying polite and respectful to real people should be taken into consideration.

Never has the idea of spying on someone’s posts I don’t like or don’t agree with (and I saw plenty), taking screenshots of them and posting them on a different platform to create a hate discussion of it, visited my head. It was not cool to see my posts secretly posted on a platform I don’t even use myself (Reddit for example, they didn’t even hide the name of my account, or of other accounts) and see very offensive words directed at me personally over my opinion on a fictional character.

As I was posting here, I was open to any discussions only here and didn’t allow my posts used anywhere else behind my back (even anonymously) for hateful discussions. If you don’t agree with what someone says this much, you were free to join the discussion on the author’s post if you’re so passionate about the topic. If you don’t want to join the discussion directly, then mind your own business and don’t spread hatred, an even better option.

Many other accounts as I saw were in an identical situation over the last years. Now I see similar posts of some people shaming other people’s posts about not liking the finale, hating the absence of a wedding, etc. Some people are unable to differentiate between fiction and real life, neither can be content with their own opinions, sadly.

Every reader has a right for their own opinion regarding a fictional story and its characters, expressing thoughts, feelings and opinions, be they positive or negative, is allowed. Yes, not liking something and expressing disappointment over fiction is allowed, the characters won’t be offended. We are reading a story and are allowed to form different opinions and preferences about everything, have different thoughts and feelings about stuff going on. I too know it is not pleasant to see people hate on a topic you like but I think staying polite and respectful to real people should be taken into consideration.

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I already explained why I think otherwise, Anon. Lili said she would get it even after Yona gave it to Ogi. It never went anywhere.

That person was like "Yu hon´s mother", like his father King Junam. And this was King Il. You have to change with every generation, as people wear masks. Man, how difficult!!!

Lily is the person, who Soo Won hates the most- King Il. But loves Soo Won the most in a new way. Lily is Zeno. And therefore literally the "One true King". Because Soo Won spoke to both people truthfully.

In reality. Because King Il loved Soo Won the most. He was the child of the people King Il later loved the most - his brother and Yon hi.

Soo Won was King Il´s Yona. That is the reason Hak is not allowed to see Soo Won or Soo Won would get "heart eyes". He would literally fall in love with Hak.

Hak has now a "daughter" and knows fully well, why he is unable to marry or else he would not see "Soo Won" as Yona. For as long as Gulfan is with him, he sees Soo Won as Yona. Therefore Hak can absolutely say this shit, because Hak knows Soo Won can do everything. Because Soo Won has become "the Queen".

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Il loved Soowon

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Lily is in a way most likely overcompensating her father´s phlegmatic side I wanted to express. So Lily is extra wild. However, she struggles time and time again.

Lily is a more timid person just like Soo Won goes against his better nature sometimes. I think this is right. But you do have a good point! Thank you! One wrong turn avoided.

Lily is more timid, but she goes wild, if she has to. In a way, she resembles Soo Won´s father maybe more.

Yu hon was the child, who was loved by his mother, because he resembled his father. He could talk openly with her. Therefore he is more open with her at first. Yu hon makes lots of dumb shit, when they meet, but he becomes more and more her protector. So he closes up and can only talk more openly with King Il and not Soo Won, because Soo Won - he believes - resembles King Il. Soo Won can only talk openly with his father. His father died and then?

Mt first thought is genuinely how kind he is? Like helping that girl (with hak's help) holding the woman in the brothels hand- doing her nails to help fix it from the drug use. Drinking the Nadai so the women won't get in trouble. Fighting that bear despite Zeno,,, being Zeno. Shielding Gija while Yotaka was swinging- Jaeha is genuinely really kind.

Read the bonus chapter with his back story - he offered to free his predecessor despite Garou beating the shit out of him. What gets me in this chapter is the fact that the main problem is that Jaeha doesn't have his freedom. Doesn't touch on the beating.

So-

My idea is mainly that it's either 1. Just something that happened to him. He internalized it to not be a big deal- or

2. He deserved it. For being cursed. For this entire messed up situation

The cycle continues of the predecessor being freed from their chains verses the newer dragon being chained up until a new green dragon is born thus the cycle of chains and freedom (freedom from the chains not the shitty village)

Yes, Jae ha is absolutely kind. He is able to see behind some masks and is a little defender of justice. Jae ha had a weak "father" (Garou) and a strong "mother" (Gigan).

And he prefers a strong woman. The person with the strongest wish to defend people is Jae ha, because of Gigan´s influence.

What gets me in this chapter is the fact that the main problem is that Jaeha doesn't have his freedom. Doesn't touch on the beating.

Jae ha has to joke about his wounds. Nobody loves to be vulnerable, I think.

Mt first thought is genuinely how kind he is? Like helping that girl (with hak's help) holding the woman in the brothels hand- doing her nails to help fix it from the drug use. Drinking the Nadai so the women won't get in trouble. Fighting that bear despite Zeno,,, being Zeno. Shielding Gija while Yotaka was swinging- Jaeha is genuinely really kind.

I think, Jae ha understood, how broken both Zeno and Soo Won were. This smile Zeno and Soo Won showed, was a sign that something was not quite alright with them. Garou smiled towards the village people the same way as Zeno and Soo Won did. Jae ha has experienced the darkness of his predecessor on his own skin.

Therefore he wished to protect Zeno in every way. And this is the reason, Kija finally was trying to protect Jae ha of all people. Because Kija understood that Jae ha is the person most at risk to be hurt.

Zeno became "their father" at the end, I think.

My idea is mainly that it's either 1. Just something that happened to him. He internalized it to not be a big deal

Yes, I share this interpretation.

The cycle continues of the predecessor being freed from their chains verses the newer dragon being chained up until a new green dragon is born thus the cycle of chains and freedom (freedom from the chains not the shitty village) Still thinking about the idea of Jaeha needing to be useful to "Earn his keep" will ponder more

Reading the chapter... the moment Hak sees Su-Won run over to him saying that he saw Gulfan get back... oh wow, it's awkward city, seeing Su-Won talk conversationally while Hak is with his friends, and Hak's ignoring him, eyes wide, awkwardly. Like Hak.exe just stopped working.

And then Yona and Hak shocked to see Su-Won talk so leisurely with other people like Ogi, who's hugging him, AGGHHHH

Yona tells Hak how she fell in love with him. How she liked him... wait, wait, when she first started wearing her new clothes?? Like.... ch 13???? Even while she liked Su-Won???? AYO AYO THIS GIRL HAD THE HAIRPIN WAT??? AND SHE LIKED HAK???

Yona admitted she was in love with Hak since and didn't realize it???

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Anon, Kusanagi only said Su-Won had no significant reason to give the pin on Yona's birthday. That's not the same as saying the hairpin itself has no narrative importance. Lili explicitly declares she will buy it from Ogi in exchange for information about Su-Won. What happened to that setup?? We never saw her actually follow through on that! It just disappeared without a single resolution.

Why even have Lili make that declaration if it's irrelevant? Why did Lili even want it in the first place, if it never mattered in the story? And not to mention, Lili does not even get a single cameo this chapter!

Yes. Absolutely! It has the same meaning as the Crest for Zeno!!! The only mistake Soo Won made was choosing the wrong person for the hairpin.

So near.

Lili explicitly declares she will buy it from Ogi in exchange for information about Su-Won.

Yes and she did not visit Soo Won...So how could she know everything about it? Because she has understood Soo Won´s mask!!! She knew, who Soo Won really was!!! Because Hak and Lily are basically the same human being. Just one male, the other female. Hak and Lily are the same as King Il and Yon hi!!! Silblings without being related. And Hak has never been King Il!!!

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I already explained why I think otherwise, Anon. Lili said she would get it even after Yona gave it to Ogi. It never went anywhere.

That person was like "Yu hon´s mother", like his father King Junam. And this was King Il. You have to change with every generation, as people wear masks. Man, how difficult!!!

Lily is the person, who Soo Won hates the most- King Il. But loves Soo Won the most in a new way. Lily is Zeno. And therefore literally the "One true King". Because Soo Won spoke to both people truthfully.

In reality. Because King Il loved Soo Won the most. He was the child of the people King Il later loved the most - his brother and Yon hi.

Soo Won was King Il´s Yona. That is the reason Hak is not allowed to see Soo Won or Soo Won would get "heart eyes". He would literally fall in love with Hak.

Hak has now a "daughter" and knows fully well, why he is unable to marry or else he would not see "Soo Won" as Yona. For as long as Gulfan is with him, he sees Soo Won as Yona. Therefore Hak can absolutely say this shit, because Hak knows Soo Won can do everything. Because Soo Won has become "the Queen".

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I already explained why I think otherwise, Anon. Lili said she would get it even after Yona gave it to Ogi. It never went anywhere.

Lily will become Soo Won´s wife, but never his queen. You were right. Lily will marry Soo Won, when he is not king anymore. Just think about it, that Lily will marry Soo Won, when he is not king anymore. You are great at character analysis. You know Lady Oscar. And I could mostly share your opinion about it, even when I love too much winning the game. You are interested in Wuthering Heights! You have a wide knowledge about these topics!!!

And we all "-correctly"-concluded, that Soo Won is still king together with Hak!!! You are so near the answer!!!

Yona got the hairpin and is now queen. So what does the hairpin mean?!!! For whom was the hairpin important?!! Who is now out and ruling with Soo Won?!!!!!!!

In Wuthering Heights Heathcliff, who was a kind person is horribly traumatized and abused later the "blonde children", even his own son, but he just cannot hurt the son of his worst enemy, his literal abuser, because he recognizes the one person, who truly loved him in that boy.

Cathy and Hareton, who is a mix between Heathcliff and Cathy, literally their child because Hareton went the "same way", made the same experiences as Heathcliff, are responsible that Heathcliff can finally give up. Hareton, who is "truly" his son in mind and character, can truly change Heathcliff. That is why Heathcliff dies at the end.

I have to admit "Wuthering Heights" is one of my absolute favorite books. I have read this book in a short time basically 5 times. I made lots of character analysis. I was basically part of another fandom, when this shit ending happened.

It is always a generational trauma. All these people are wearing masks. That is why she showed us the truth beneath the masks. That is why Shin ha continues to wear a mask.

He gave Soo Won honey, the possibility to be himself at least.

Because Soo Won was merely with a couple of people truly himself. And she gave us the last hint.

Why he wished to rescue his father so greatly. Soo Won always spoke truthfully around Gulfan. I was basically thinking: Damn!!!!

Gulfan is a reminder of his father - Yu hon. It means Soo Won mournt the only person, he could be truly himself with. His soft and rough side.

Only with his father Yu hon could Soo Won be truly himself. Gulfan is the key. He is Soo Won´s hairpin.

Now you have to find the person, with whom Soo Won spoke without Gulfan. Absolutely truthfully. In regard to Yona and Hak, because those two are his siblings. Hak was Yon hi, not Yona.

And it was obviously not Hak. The person, with whom Soo Won could talk like he truly was without anything. You know now Yona´s true identity. Because you said it all along. About Yona´s character flaw. Yona was never been too harmless. This person has the ability to go batshit...Yona wanted weapons, after all at the beginning. So she was cuddled endlessly, that she has never a reason to literally do this.

This person is like Yu hon.

Because Yu hon was Soo Won´s mother. The person, who loved Soo Won, like he was. With all his edges. Yona knew, that Yu hon was "different around Soo Won". He saw King Il in him and tried to "overcorrect" or else Soo Won would be laughed at.

But then there is the possibility, that King Il lied, too. Yu hon wished to go hawking with his brother. Yu hon gave Yon hi a hairpin. Arg...do I have turned around something again. The answer lies here...But how should we put this? One way or the other.

Maybe Soo Won really wished to marry Yona...he gave her the hairpin, after all. Unfortunately for him, she did not know his rough side.

Then King Il committed suicide. Because Soo Won had changed the person in his mind, while Soo Won thought he was correct. That is why it is Hak, who considers the hairpin as important. Because Soo Won thought it was Yona, but it was in reality Hak. I mean "hawk" is a pretty good implication, who Gulfan/Yu hon truly was. Yes, it could be like this.

Thank you for this question. Because of your clever question I see a little clearer. Soo Won thought the whole time, that Hak could kill him, but was mistaken, because Yona is truly like his mother. Pretty selfish. Hak is the selfless part, after all. And Yu hon was a pretty selfless person.

Yes, I do think it is truly, that Soo Won made a mistake, that was corrected by King Il. He knew Hak´s and Yona´s true character - King Il. (But one has to pay attention. One wrong turn and you have to go back to the beginning). It is truly difficult to find the truth.

That is the explanation for the murder of King Il. Because King Il knew, that Soo Won would make this mistake. That he thought that he could truly speak with Yona, but he has never shown her his rough side. Hak did know both sides, since Soo Won spoke freely with Gulfan.