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To back up, the reason no adult was ever capable of stopping Chloé was because her father was the major of Paris and he would destroy the life of anyone who would dare to oppose her. It wasn't that she was so terrifying and evil that even adults feared her, no, it was that there was an adult man with political power enabling her bad behavior

Once again we're letting André off the hook for his actions; and to me it borders in political commentary because once again powerful men are not held accountable for their actions (just like in real life) and no one thinks this is wrong

I was also thinking about it after this

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idk how she would know about the ultrakuma being in the box, unless it was being live-streamed still? like when Chloé was talking with the three everything was being live-streamed, so it’s possible that Mari had watched it? or someone else watched it and mentioned it within earshot?

like i know it was most likely written as a “see she’s a bully”, but i lowkey want to know more about this

like in S2 it was stated that her behaviors are reflective of people she cares about (or cares about how they view her); she wants to be appreciated by them

like was the lack of admiration from Sabrina the final straw? was Zoé’s not holding out hope that Chloé could change be the reason?

Okay so i've wanted to talk about this for a while now.

It's been said again and again how Chloe was robbed of a redemption arc: it seemed like season 2 was, at least on the surface, going to give her one, only for it to be scrapped entirely during miracle queen. However, as Sally (miraculous sins on YouTube) points out, her redeeming actions are almost never to a T: in zombizou, she apologised to bustier but not marinette, the one she truly wronged. In style queen, she regresses back at the end in order to emulate her mother's bratty behaviour. She has an "emotional" heart-to-heart with ladybug later where she confides that she feels purposeless, but all of her behaviour can be interpreted as manipulative: she posed herself a certain way so that she would get a selfish reward, in this case, the miraculous. And of course someone so young wouldn't do that maliciously, it's just how she was raised. Even in queen wasp, when she finally returns the miraculous, she's doing it while 1) she already lost and you could argue she was trying to earn good girl points with ladybug and 2) she was. Literally. Being filmed from every angle. How good is a redemption if it only exists when you are being monitored or when you have personal, egoistical stakes in it?

And at this point, naturally, the whole "Thomas hates Chloe" conversation begin. And don't get me wrong: I agree with most if not all their points: Thomas is taking it out on a fictional fourteen years old HE INVENTED, wasting her story potential. It's not like Chloe has no one who relates to her (children of divorce make some noise!!!), but all that potential is lost, especially since apparently we can forgive a terrorist who SA'd ladybug on screen and leave him with one of the most powerful miraculous because "he's just misundewstood rawr". We could have spared some of this sympathy for Chloe don't y'all think?

So like, when I hear people like utterly_chloe (YouTube) defend Chloe, I think to myself "this makes sense!". But then.

Then I watch the show.

The Chloe that exists, the one that we got, Does not want redemption. She's not irredeemable per say, but every time she is on screen she digs herself deeper into her own undoing. All akumatizations are tantrums to an extent, but Queen of the Dreadzone? Absolutely despicable. A desperate attempt of regaining control over the lives of those she toyed with for her own personal entertainment. And don't get me started on miracle queen, queen mayor and penalteam: she is shown to have absolutely no problem working with a literal Terrorist capital T, multiple times, over minor inconveniences. She is a horrible, horrible person who sees others only in the measure of how much they serve her, her objectives and her status. Again, she's not irredeemable, but people CONTINUOUSLY reach out to her (hey Sabrina hey girl) and she PISSES ON THEM. Also, this fandom and the writing love to portray marinette as the worst individual ever to ever exist in the history of forever and her finally standing up to Chloe might be part of the issue, although that's a whole ass separate post.

imo there was a direction that Chloé’s character theoretically could’ve gone in from a narrative perspective, but that’s not what the writers had intended for her

I feel like a lot of the conversations surrounding Chloé’s redemption has to do with the “what she could’ve become if she had the correct support systems”, and not so much regarding the actual characterization we see in the show

I still stand by this:

people (Chloé fans/stans) wanted Chloé to have a redemption, and saw a place in the writing where it could’ve worked. however, the writers had little to no intention to give her a redemption; when the writing solidified that Chloé had no interest in changing, the fans saw this as a betrayal.

like there was the fanon path that some wanted to see, and when the canon didn’t align with that, they assumed that the writers were purposely doing it out of spite

imo it seems more likely that the writers never planned for her to have a redemption arc, rather giving her something similar to “a rise and fall” arc