I think itās important that folks recognize that this discussion about sexuality is a lot more nuanced than itās often made out to be. This is likely going to be very long, because itās really not a question with a simple answer.
Like, as a disclaimer (and itās odd that I often have to do this), no one is telling anyone that they have to have sex with certain bodies or theyāre transphobic, or terrible. In the same vein, being penis repulsed does not = being transphobic.
Back to the point, you say that youād have no trouble being with a trans woman, but sex is something you feel you wouldnāt be able to handle if that woman had a penis, due to your repulsion.
I think thatās a fair enough question, and itās really evidence on how certain narratives and assumptions are so often made in regards to sex and sexuality in a cisnormative society.
People grow up being told that certain bodies are male, certain bodies are female, and they often find out that both types of officially sanctioned bodies being attracted to each other is heterosexual/straight, and folks who are attracted to their own type are gay. Simple, straight forward, easy to navigate through logically, and to build expectations around.
Combine that with how media (and sometimes education) teach us about sex in ways that donāt or rarely discuss physical boundaries, and that helps build certain assumptions of entitlement, access, and expectations of how we will experience our partnersā bodies, and how they will experience ours.
Trans folks (and intersex folks certainly have this potential as well) tend to throw a wrench into a lot of those assumptions, because suddenly, thereās no dichotomy of bodies. Thereās no easy sorting, thereās parts thatā¦all our livesā¦weāve understood to be coded as one groupās parts showing up on anotherās. and as much as itās easy to say on the surfaceĀ āOkayā¦so penises arenāt just things men haveā, it can be difficult to really root out the impact such coding has had on our beliefs, thoughts, gut feelings and instincts. Kind of like how when i was a teen, Iād claim I wasnāt the least bit racist, and later realized that I was absolutely harboring racist sentiments in some of my reactions, instinctual thoughts, in beliefs on cultures, etc.
So itās important to really ask folks to think about their take on how cissexism and cisnormativity might have shaped views on sexuality, and personal politics of desire, in the same way that racial preferences have been interrogated, and whatnot.
Because there absolutely are assumptions made about trans women, particularly trans women with penises, and how we have sex.
Now, Iāll say that if a personās attraction (not just sexual, the whole range) to a trans women dies an immediate death upon learning she has a penis, thatās transphobia, because attraction doesnāt vanish like that unless thereās major disgust involved.
Like, beyond the universally messed up assumption that weāre fully entitled to the bodies of our partners (which crops up when folks assume what would/must happen during sex across any context, whether itās a cis dude assuming heād have to give oral to a cis woman, or a cis guy assuming his cis dude partner would stick a dick in his ass, or a cis woman assuming a trans man would need to be penetrated, assumptions about access are a brazen display of entitlement), thereās a lot of discussion about trans womenās penises.
Iāll say right now that Iām not penis repulsed, but I know that penis repulsion manifests in plenty of different ways, to different degrees, and I wouldnāt want anyone to engage sexually in a way that would harm them. Thatās very important.
But that said, thereās been a lot of assumptions made by folks who are penis repulsed who assume that trans women with penises would penetrate them with it, who assume that they would have to touch a penis, that the penis would get erect, that the penis could ejaculate, that itād share the same texture/smell (which, tbh, is something I donāt get, since Iām pretty sure that veries for everyone, but anyways) as a cis manās, or that they would have to see a penis at all. And the way a lot of these assumptions are made tends to frame the hypothetical trans woman as an aggressor, which I can understand a penis-repulsed person doing (because they donāt want to interact with one, such framing makes sense as a reaction), but thatās still tied to the widely held social view of trans women as sexual predators. So while such responses and use of language are still valid and understandable, itās important that folks recognize that trans women arenāt sexual predators, that theyāre at an incredibly low risk of actually being sexually predatory compared to other demographics. A response that groups trans women with cis men in a cisnormative society is expected, but itās still a cissexist response that needs to be recognized as such (unless, in the extremely rare case, a person has been assaulted by a trans women with a penis, in which case thereās some merit, but such cases, by nature, would be immensely rare in comparison to those whose repulsion is drawn from cis menās actions).
And honestly, those assumptions are pretty baseless.Ā A huge amount of trans women with penises do not want their partners to interact with it at all. Paired with that is an enormous amount of trans people, particularly trans women, have experienced sexual assault or rape by intimate partners since transitioning, so even those who could entertain using their penis in some way during sex will likely be vigilant on discussing boundaries and potentially avoiding anything that could have lingering trauma bubbling up, for either partner. I know I wouldnāt want to have dysphoria flare up while Iām trying to be intimate with a partner, or have a trauma-related response, and equally as muchĀ I wouldnāt want my partner to have any trauma-related responses, or to be made uncomfortable or hurt by my actions.
I know plenty of trans women who are (or were) sexually active while pre/non-op and whose partners never saw or engaged with their penis during sex. I have a friend who has been with her boyfriend for over 3 years and Iām pretty sure heās actually never seen her penis. Maybe on accident, but she keeps hers lucked away like fort knox, has major bottom dysphoria, and she manages to have sex regularly. She and hey boyfriend donāt shower together, and they donāt sleep in the nude together, but thereās honestly not much else she couldnāt do with her boyfriend that other hetero couples do.
So I guess what Iām trying to get at is that thereās a lot of assumptions being made about what being involved with a penis-bearing trans woman would be like, and a whole lot of them are wrong and fueled by transmisogyny.
And thereās a lot of things people arenāt thinking deeply enough about their sexuality. And that, in a cissexist society, likely means thereās some transmisogyny rooting around in some gut reactions, notions of attractiveness, etc.
So are you transphobic because of your sexuality or what youāre able to involve yourself with? Iām not sure that answer is more important than getting people to interrogate themselves on this sort of stuff. There are people who want to have sex with trans women who have penises, and there are people who claim itās a dealbreaker. I donāt want either group to get sexually involved with trans women until theyāve thought long and hard about this stuff, because those who havenāt are far more likely to wield transmisogyny against us when theyāre with us in whatever way.
But if I had to answer in a simple, generalized way:
-A person should never experience a total loss of attraction to another person after learning their genital status. Thatās a clear, and inarguable sign of transphobia at play. Simply knowing a personās genital status is no excuse for such a monumental loss of attraction to a person.
-Being solely attracted to genitals is transphobic. Requiring engagement with specific kinds of genitals is fetishistic.
-Assuming the sexual form, function, and needs of a trans woman with a penis is transmisogyny, and (even if just passively) assuming full entitlement of a partnerās body on a sexual level is also problematic as hell.
Do any of the above three fit you? if so, youāre probably dealing with transmisogyny/transphobia. Is it a massive deal that will have transfolk foaming at the mouth? Nope. In a world where even those who love and support us the most do or thinkĀ transphobic and cissexist things, this is just one more rock added to the pile.
Which is why the important thing is getting people thinking, not whether or not theyāre transphobic. Everyoneās transphobic, so itās far more important to take a potential issue and investigate it until youāve got some answers. To let things stew for a while and really contemplate how cissexism and transphobia might have helped influence/frame thoughts on the matter.
Because no matter what, folks are going to walk away and do their thing, even if they DO realize theyāre transphobic in some way from their behaviour/thoughts. Some wonāt care, and will be dismissive, for whatever reason. Some will find themselves upset by their biases, but wonāt be able to feel attracted to such trans womenā¦and that doesnāt make a person morally inferior or bad, just means theyāve been deeply impacted and itās not the right time, if that time comes at all. There are plenty of ways folks can come away from self-investigation, and cis people checking the āwill fuck a penis owning trans womanā box isnāt a real high priority. What matters is that people have a better grasp on this, so that maybe one day, theyāll understand transphobia better and will be more active in combating it, in whichever way they manage. Maybe that means having healthy, valuable relationships with us. Maybe it wonāt.
This isnāt about policing sexuality (not that you said it is, though itās often an accusation I hear), itās about getting people to think from an angle that theyāve been explicitly taught doesnāt exist, or isnāt worth considering. Folks do that, and come away with a better understanding of how transphobia affects their life? Thatās great! Thatās what we want! We donāt want people saying sexuality is excused from critical thought, like many do try to push, which is why so many trans folk harp on about this, and why itās so important to get people realizing that nothing is unaffected by transphobia. Everything can and should be interrogated for it. Everything.
So yeah, Iāve gone on long enough. Basically, you think hard on this, you let some of these thoughts stew, maybe come back to them here or there going forward, then thatās great. In the meantime, you do you. Learn more about transphobia, listen to trans voices. Thatās much, much more important than whether you can have sex with us. Our abusers love to have sex with us, itās not really anything special, or thatās terribly concerning to the community. The important thing is HOW people understand us, and our bodies, within the sphere of sexuality and desire, and how transphobia, cissexism, etc. shape those understandings.