You guys are thinking about the MCU love triangle wrong. Stop thinking Twilight love triangle, start thinking Challengers love triangle.

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You guys are thinking about the MCU love triangle wrong. Stop thinking Twilight love triangle, start thinking Challengers love triangle.

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People couldnât handle Jean Grey in the MCU without a witch hunt imagine how theyâre gonna handle Emma Frost.
The weird discourse around Jean in BND being irredeemable because she maybe potentially killed a Guy who appears fine later in the movie is actually so rooted in ďżź misogyny and media illiteracy. Itâs actually so obvious. Like I could go on and on about how this is a first movie of an ongoing arc that sheâs going to, and has changed. And I could go on and on about how even the MCU has worse characters that are considered âheroâsâ, even in this same movie. All of that would fall on deafâs ears. Because theyâre not trying to criticize, or analyze Jean Grey in good faith. Theyâre trying to discredit women heroâs and characters like they successfully grifted against black heroâs and led projects which led to marvel canceling these projects.
Imagine how exhausted we are.
Iâm still thinking about Winter Widow. But #sad version.
I think both of them would reason that the other person had it âworseâ than they did regarding Hydra versus the Red Room.
Natasha would think, well at least I was spared the constant electrocution and mind wipes. At least a Widow was still a person.
But Bucky on the other hand would see it as: at least they turned me off. Like maybe it was almost a mercy that he didnât have to self correct his own humanity the way Widows did.
GAHHH. Ok goodnight.
Cats like to adapt the personality of their owner so I like to imagine Natalia living with Liho is two hyper independent bitches (endearingly) whose favorite bonding activity is sitting on the couch 2 feet away from each other. Natalia is reading a book or watching an old spy movie, and Liho is sleeping. Itâs the best way they know how to say I love you to one another. And then Natalia would fall asleep on the couch and Liho curls up in her lap and purrs. When she sleeps in bed, Lihoâs favorite spot to sleep is at her feet, between her feet, chin resting on Natâs ankle.

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In brand new day in the hospital scene jean literally keeping peter alive by making sure he's heart is beating, blood is flowing, he's breathing, is such a cool thing cuz it really showcases how she's grown as a mutant cuz she's absolutely got long range telekinesis and it's so precise that she can keep a entire body forcibly alive, and presumably did so while escaping the facility, and also this is just pure fucking jean grey no phoenix force, no amped up shit this is just jean grey being able to remotely pilot a entire human body without even forcing control over the mind, and just using his body with her new found telekinesis because his mind would have shut down already at the time, godsakes she's so cool
She probably also used her telepathy to keep him alive. Remember, in the comics, she tried (and failed) to keep her best friend alive using her telepathy. She tried so hard she almost died with her, and thatâs why the Pheonix was so attracted to Jean to begin with. Jean is a character much acquainted with death, and itâs actually a pretty cool adaptation of that moment. When they start to explore jeans character they should revisit this moment , and adapt that moment from the comics for explicitly. Show how hard she tried and succeeded to keep Peter alive, and how the Pheonix took a liking to her.
could you imagine the trauma of jean grey, of your mother abandoning you and your sister because you have powers and your sister getting taken by a government agency and then you discover they killed her due to experimentation on her abilities, and once youâre this close to getting revenge, the guy thatâs made it his mission to stop you is there to apologize and even more, promises to be there for you now. that you are not alone anymore. and then he takes a literal bullet for you-
the trauma of having two older siblings risk their lives to keep her safe, the torment and guilt she must carry now- holy fucking shit dude
You know that scene in The Suicide Squad where peacemaker and Bloodsport are having a competition of whose kills are cooler?
Nat and âLena would do that. In the MCU they would have coolest non-lethal take downs. In the comics, itâs whoever has the most finesse and stealth.
It is really, really funny that the new Spider-man movie decided to solve the "why is this one vigilante kid the only person in a world of superheroes tackling this threat" problem by stating that it's because Yelena Belova is currently in charge of deciding what rises to an Avengers-level threat and she mostly decides based on vibes. Immaculate. No notes.
Thereâs something about how Yelena idolizes her big sister Nat, and thinks of her as just as important as the âgod from space who doesnât need to take an ibuprofen after a fightâ that kinda breaks my heart. And how this illusion was shattered when she saw Natâs bruises on her back. And how it was reinforced when she learned Nat sacrificed herself to save the universe.

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I hate that the black widow movie is generally considered with the poorer MCU movies. One because we waited 10 years from the introduction of her character, after her big send off, and multiple behind the scenes battle not to make Natasha the cliched sex object, only for it to fall short in its reputation.
But also, because itâs genuinely a good movie. One that, while it falters in its 3rd act climax, is a solid character study for Natasha that recontextualizes everything weâve seen from nat. It shows how important family is to Natasha. At the beginning of the movie, she has just had her second family fall apart. One that she tried so hard to keep together in Civil War. She doesnât believe she can have, nor deserves, a family. Sheâs resorted to being alone, a recluse.
(As a side tangent, it makes that really weird, sexist chat with Bruce in AOU a bit (key word, a bit) better in retrospect. Itâs not about her being a monster because she canât have kids, but rather she believes she is a monster and is ill suited towards the family life as the red room took away her original family, and all future families (not only literally because of the involuntary hysterectomy, but also symbolically because of the killing machine the red room turned her into)).
But then Yelena comes along and forces her to accept this family dynamic. Throughout the movie, sheâs trying to erase more red in her ledger, kicking and screaming to resist the family dynamic that Yelena, then Alexi, then Melina bring. Itâs out of self preservation she does this, she canât bring herself to try and love and be a part of a family again. She told herself her family was fake to not be betrayed and hurt like how her family was ripped apart in Cuba. She believed they never really a family because she tried to protect her sister and her father coldly betrayed her. So as she collects her former family in the movie, she puts her guard up more and more. Notice how she was more sisterly with just Yelena, and then as they met Alexi she puts her guard up and then with Melina she lashes out to protect herself?
It all culminates in her realizing that they all felt the same way. First with Yelena breaking into tears as she admits that they were real to her, and was too young to know any different. Then with Alexi, as he goes to comfort Yelena. Then finally, and the most powerful, realizing that Melina kept that photo album. The same photo album that Melina told her to put back all those years ago. Itâs with that realization that she comes up embraces her family, trusts them to take help down the red room, and makes a plan.
The best example of this recontextualization is the vest she wears in infinity war. A symbolic heart on her sleeve, as she wears her sisters vest. With this movie, it makes Natashaâs whole MCU movie learning to live for, and then dying for, her family:
In Iron Man 2, she had shield and no pretense of a close relationship with anyone. Then in Avengers, we learn she has a single person, Clint. Because of Clint being mind controlled, she was motivated to join this new family. With Cap 2 and Avengers 2, itâs her being more comfortable with being herself with this new family, and allowing herself to have a future with said family. With civil war she fails to keep that family together, then in black widow she learns not to give up on her family. And her failure in infinity war effectively decimates both her family. So when she sacrifices herself in endgame, she does it for her family. Both her families. She never gave up on them. Itâs why, in Hawkeye her lack of presence is felt throughout. She once thought she had no one, but in Hawkeye her two families are left grieving and reeling over her absence. And they both have to learn to accept her sacrifice for them, and learn to live.
So itâs why when people say BlAcK wIdOw wAs A bAd mOvIe kinda pissed me off. It truly isnât, and there is so much you can grasp onto.
Anway sorry for the rant. I also think I have another one for Yelena (for another day). Itâs interesting how this movie acts as a finishing arc for Nat, but also a jumping of point for Yelena.
BW is such a character driven movie that dives into the psyche of each member of the family. Itâs why my only real complaint is that it sacrifices an emotional resolution for a generic 3rd act action scene. The red room shouldnât have crashed, the plan should have gone on without a hitch, Alexi should have finished that apology. They should have finished one dinner together as a family, unlike the other two dinners that were cut off prematurely.
no offense to any boblena shippers out there but if boblena becomes canon in doomsday i will kill kevin feige with my own two hands
scarlet johannson did not spend an entire decade fighting tooth and nail to make natasha into an actual character instead of the sex object writers wanted her to be while also having to endure the most vile, misogynistic questions during press tours for people to now disrespect her legacy because yelena is 'better'. the only reason why that is, is because of everything scarlet went through. natasha singlehandedly paved the way for every other female superhero in the mcu and don't you forget that
After secret wars, theyâre going to make the widows super soldiers, right? Right?
I imagine sometimes Natalia dissociates heavily during transport, and intel briefings, locks tf in when needed, then immediately goes back to dissociating.

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Natasha's Outfits in Black Widow (2019)
Natalia in civi clothes>>>>
Nat is looking down and smiling at Yelena leading the New Avengerz, knowing her sister is following her lead and (like her) is the only person keeping that team together.