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Do you ever wonder (obvi not actual game Sean) but if Sean really loved Lenny, that he’d try and repress it and try to drink/sleep with girls (maybe Karen, but not to put her down as an object but more so as a stand in, love Karen) to try and act like he doesn’t feel that way for Lenny? Mainly cause 1. He has bad self image, so he’d think Lenny deserves better than himself, or 2. Because of his Irish/catholic background where he’d struggle with seeing himself as a heathen? (If that makes sense, been on my mind for a while and wanted to see if anyone shared the same sentiment)
Oh yes, when it comes to Macsummers I've discussed it all and that includes Sean's catholic guilt if Macsummers ever were to be canon in any way. Talking about the catholic guilt of a murdering thief is very interesting because it's definitely possible that someone of his occupation would find their guilt comes from their sexuality instead of the people they've murdered (though Sean does say killing innocents/who he decides is innocent gives him a nasty feeling inside). It might not make sense, but it's very possible.
So yeah, I think if Macsummers were to happen, they both would go through stages of repressing it, dealing with guilt and shame and embarrassment. I think it would be similar to Charthur or any other mlm ship in the fandom, they would have a huge hurdle of shame and guilt to get over.
Additionally, Sean's guilt might not even come from being catholic itself, but from his father. He has such an impact on Sean's life, even in his death, that I think Sean would worry, and does worry, about what his da would think of his life and decisions. In canon, I bet he represses and ignores this as best he can, but if he ever were to be confronted with his sexuality in this Macsummers universe, I doubt he could keep the shame and guilt of what his father might say repressed. It would be on his mind more often than not.
This is the exactly same with Lenny in my opinion, repressed shame and worry of what his dead family, dead father, would think of his life and decisions that would absolutely explode out of him if Macsummers ever were to happen. Our boys have one big hurdle (or hundreds of small one) to get over before they can get to the fluff, but we believe in them.
Go Macsummers!!
he actually sounded a lil scary
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normalise not treating your headcanons as canon when someone wants to discuss the actual canon media and lore. why? everyones headcanons are different. they can’t be counted on as fact. but everyone (hopefully) has the same canon.
i hate talking to someone about real things a character said and did, then they start using something i’ve never even heard of to defend a character, or explain something about them, then i find out they made it up. look, i adore headcanons, but that’s what they are by definition. something made up by the fans. not canon.
this is also my issue with mischaracterisation. yes, let everyone have fun. but when i want to talk about the canon media and lore, and you arrive with your mischaracterised version and start pretending it’s lore accurate and real, that’s when i stop having fun. so no, everyone’s not having fun.
hot take: denying that sadie loved jake because “she’s actually a lesbian” is misunderstanding her story and stereotyping women and lesbians alike. people can headcanon and see whatever they want, but it is also possible to misunderstand a canon character through what headcanons you give them.
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“lost boys never grow up, never go home.”
hot take: i am tired of people always resorting to talking about sean-and-karen when they’re talking about sean’s character, when sean’s interactions and friendship with lenny undeniably represented more about his character and personality, showcased much more about how his past, and had important symbolism about the gang within them.
in my opinion, it’s wasted potential to neglect all seven of the interactions sean and lenny had together when discussing sean’s character. these interactions show sean’s views on politics, they show both of their youth as they pick on bill together twice, they tell us sean’s view on respecting the dead, they literally show us that sean’s illiterate and not willing to learn to read but lenny wants to try and teach him anyway, refusing to give up on him. the fact that sean is illiterate is a big part of his character, and it came from his interactions with lenny. i am genuinely convinced that if people took apart these interactions instead of the constant focus this fandom gives to the same three romantic interactions he had with karen, everyone would have a better understanding of sean. they’d find out things about him they never knew.
sean and karen’s dialogue, compared to sean and lenny’s, tells us strikingly little about sean. yet this fandom has pulled their interactions apart over and over, given them infinite focus, acted like sean was closest with her when it’s just not true, and have absolutely sidelined lenny summers. in every post about sean’s character, karen will always be there instead of lenny, as if those seven interactions, each representing something new about them both, never happened. it is frustrating.
TLDR: in my opinion, lenny was far more important to sean’s character than karen was, and this fandom is doing all three of them a disservice.
I hope you know in Mick's episode of the outlaw haven podcast they talk about Darragh :3
Thanks so much! I didn’t know about this so I just went and listened. Very enjoyable :) thanks for letting me know this existed
hosea and dutch found arthur with a note attached saying “please look after this boy” and he was so small he could fit in hosea’s pocket but now he’s ginormous because they loved him sooo much
WHO IS NOT❌❌❌❌INVITED TO GRANDMOTHERS HOUSE
SEANS FUNKY ASS ONE WHIFF WILL KILL GRANDMA
DUTCHS PERFORMATIVE ASS HES GUNNA DEBATE GRANDMA
JOHNS STUPID ASS GONNA OFFEND GRANDMA
KARENS OUTRAGEOUS ASS SHES DRINKING ALL THE WINE
UNCLES EVIL ASS HES FLIRTING WITH GRANDMA
ARTHURS HUNGRY ASS HES EATING GRANDMAS DINNER TOO
KIERANS PATHETIC ASS HES CRYING AT THE TABLE
JAVIERS DUMB ASS HES NOT GETTING ANY JOKES
SADIES MURDEROUS ASS SHE’LL KILL GRANDMA
BILLS VIOLENT ASS HES HITTING GRANDMA
HOSEAS MISCHIEVOUS ASS HES ROBBING GRANDMA

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Who would you let cook for your grandmother
Arthur Morgan
John Marston
Dutch van der Linde
Sean MacGuire
Uncle
Abigail Roberts
Reverend Swanson
Karen Jones
sean at least deserved a funeral, and a wake afterwards where they told stories, and every single one of them was about him. about his bar fights, the gifts he bought them once, his drunken antics, when he saved jack from a snake, when a man in the street accused him of killing his brother and they all had to scatter. i would play a dlc where i’m at sean’s wake and listen to them talk about him for hours.