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Meanwhile everytime the twins are together you have this atmosphere of intimancy, drama but also desire of be together despite claim otherwise

Hell Dante quite literally says "I can't lose you again after found you" with big sad puppy eyes and Vergil looks like he's about to cry too

And they act surprised this attrack twincest shippers like sweet to a flies lol

I'm neutral to game danIady but show danIady is undoubtedly fucking AWFUL.

Would you seriously just magically fall in love with someone after one kiss, after they repeatedly lied to you, betrayed you, used you, and were the reason you were in captivity for months???!?!?? Oh and you've only known them for only a few months. Yeah I don't think so.

Game Dante would NEVER stand for that sort of treatment and betrayal, so the show making Dante a weak pathetic doormat bitch is so infuriating😭😭😭

Also this tweet made me laugh bc it's literally their relationship in the show😂

The show sidelining Vergil in favor of trying to shoehorn Lady as the humanity in Dante's life when that was simply never the case in the games is just abysmal. Not to mention the danIady buildup in the show is nonexistent.

Vergil & Dante's relationship is so compelling because of just how much they revolve around each other. They were and still are the center of each other's journeys. They're so intertwined. Even when they were apart, they were constantly being haunted by each other, haunting each other's thoughts, they were what they'd think about in both their best & worst moments.

Is frustrating, because isn't like they can't convey Dante actual personality if they want

In any case, this atrocious excuse of a romantic relationship feels extremely manipulative, abusive and one sided with Dante having little to no agency at all in the whole matter

The whole season Dante is desperate for reunite with Vergil again and he's almost excited as a child for the idea of reunite with his twin, but Mary is always there to stop him and try to grab his attention somehow. It kinda feels intentional, and she keeps manipulating him because at core she always intended to use Dante as a mere tool for stop Vergil rampage

And that's exactly how it ended ironically, once Dante serve his porpuse and Mary no longer needed him she just runs off to do her own stuff without even check if he's okay or alive

While Dante ends up alone, emotionally and physically destroyed after loosing Vergil once again as he feared

I would like to report that the homoerotic stabbing is still very much alive and well in Netflix May Cry.

Mundus: Sparda mate with a human? A female one? What a disgraceful abomination...

...

Also there's this other shot where Ver is wielding another sword, maybe is Rebellion? Against Mundus no less

Maybe the damsel in distress role will switch up after all

Vergil: The only one who can stab my little brother multiple times… is me!

That’s how I imagine Vergil in that moment 😎

Being serious, I’m honestly pretty surprised by this take on things, and I feel like it kind of confirms this Vergil doesn’t have that much in common with the one we know from the games. So I really can’t figure out where this is going.

A protective Vergil over Dante actually kind of fits with what Vergil originally wanted power for: to protect himself and the people he cares about. But in the games, he kind of loses that goal, because Dante doesn’t really need protecting anyway—at least not in the same way, as his equal. Dante isn’t exactly someone who’s going to go down easily; he’s strong enough to wipe out a city on his own. But here it feels like Dante is weaker than Vergil, and instead of them fighting side by side, that dynamic is shifting. Interesting.

On the other hand, I’m a bit nervous, because seeing Vergil this emotionally open makes some kind of romantic angle with a human way more believable—and yeah… that makes me sweat, not gonna lie.

Vergil: No one here can kill this fool

Dante: Vergil! I knew deep inside you still like m...

Vergil: No one besides me!

Dante: Well that's in character for him

...

When you think about it, Vergil being more powerful than Dante (at least at this point) isn't really unjustified.

I mean you have to consider Vergil in this universe was serving under Mundus for at least 15 years while being in hell, a toxic place he seem fully adapted, and very likely fighting/training agaisnt much more powerful opponents Dante ever faced on Earth. All this not even counting the fact he likely never stops a single day.

While this Dante was fighting sure, but he lives in the human world and got to spend a semi chill life and it's stated he even drops jobs because he gets bored (probably because the lack of a proper rival).

The difference of experience alone should be really big considering videgame logic doesn't apply for these versions.

Ngl, seeing a more emotionally open Vergil can be a nice change of air after their complicated dynamic in almost every DMC media.

Kinda like how we already seen Dante fully commited to save Vergil from the get go because of a promise to their mom, rather than try to kill him (dmc3) or put end to his suffering (dmc1).

In a sense is funny because from what we seen these look like the most conventionally romantic versions of the twins out of any DMC versions.

Vergil being the groomed child soldier of Mundus can be interesting if they give it time to be fleshed out

But more importantly, this is the first time we see a Dante being so desperate to get his Vergil back, which is a nice change of pace

The face of someone who needs his mate back

Maybe Netflix Spardacest will end up having it's own identity after all

At this point, we just have to see the Netflix adaptation for what it is: basically a Spardacest fanfic. I mean, in season one Dante literally screams that Vergil is his reason for living, and then unlocks his devil form for the first time to defeat the threat. So yes, Vergil has always been the reason behind his power—but here it’s framed much more like love and desperation rather than just conflict or an obligation.

That’s why I’m treating it like a fanfic. Because if they’re already leaning that far into it, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if in season two Dante becomes way more emotionally open—showing desperation, anger, and maybe even straight-up saying he loves Vergil (It looks like it’s going in that direction—Vergil becoming the Disney princess, and Dante the knight who has to save him from the villain’s arms, nice, nice 😈).

I get why people are mad about the adaptation, but I also understand why they’re trying to restructure things—DMC as a whole is messy and inconsistent. But the problem isn’t the conclusion they reach about fixing it to make it more consistent—the problem is the execution. They keep trying to fix it (which is good), but they don’t really know how.

I like when we learn stuff about Dante and how he clearly is much more openly emotion about his own past that we usually see in the main canon. But that is kind the lesser part of the show, as if you consider the Rabbit and Lady got a whole episode where Dante isn't even present, but he doesn't get the same treatment and his own story is reduced to brief flashback with Vergil only making cameos during the whole s1.

Oh well, I guess we only had to wait a year for get a s2 focused (for the most part) on them.

You know? Is kinda ironic what you say about DMC as a whole being messy and confusing at time, which I agree, but honestly the Netflix show might be as confusing if not more.

Because s2 will present villains and apparently plot points of DMC2, Dante and Vergil as a main focus reflecting part 3, there's also Lady's arc being there too for what we can see, but Mundus is also an important villain, and even Baines is supposed to be there. Such a mess.

Oh also is very funny we end up having Vergil as the damsel in distress, considering people speculated it would be the exact opposite with Ver coming to free Dante from his confinement at the end of s1 (there's even fanart of that).

Princess Ver is something I'll be open to watch just for how fun it will be.

C'mon he was going on pair with Yuji despite getting c.t just two days ago, and we seen how deadly poison can truly be

I get Junpei might have self esteem problems at first but in most stories Yuji needs to do the heavh lifting and also act as his emotional support at the same time

Need someone to give me op Junpei who gets his own wins and can protect other and Yuji especially

They need to be a power couple, not Jun being the damsel on distress (at least not all the time)

I agree. I have a lot of ships where one character is much, much stronger than the other physically, and it leads to a level of flanderization of the physically weaker character. It's kind of hard to not have the stronger character do all the work when they're right there. Yuuji is unfortunately, much, much stronger than Junpei so a power difference is going to exist. But that doesn't mean Junpei's gonna stand around.

Mahito egged Junpei on to be more brutal, but he does have a spine and doesn't take things lying down. Even when he was getting bullied, he was retaliating and being combative.

I wish more fics would focus on getting him in situations which would show more of his strengths. Also focus on the fact that he is a bit of an asshole when he's pushed into a corner. Should he have said those guys were only bullying him because they want the girl in the group to have sex with them? No, that was sexist. But like you get it right? He's gonna sink lower than the other person to get a hit in and he's not gonna regret it because it's the only way he can get any upper hand. I'm actually not even sure if he has self-esteem problems. He never really considers himself to be in the wrong or lacking in a way. A lot of his comments are about how he thinks everyone around him is shit.

I don't doubt he has self-esteem issues underneath it all, but I don't think he's the sort to be primarily behave based on that aspect of himself.

Contrasting Yuuji's (pre JJK Modulo) personality of always being honorable and just with Junpei's "everything goes, fuck you" mentality in fics WITHOUT making them only that would be nice to see. It would be fun to see how as a sorcerer you need both these mentalities to survive and how these thought processes support each other.

Power couple itajun is very fun and very easy to do. I mean the poison-expert and the guy who's immune to any poison? Sign me up!

EDIT: Addition because I get a chance to yap and I love yapping. A good way to show the competence of characters without having one overshadow the other, is to really understand what each of them is good at. Then in fics, you write scenarios to maximize that.

Like if I was writing an ItaJun fic, then I'm gonna put Junpei in positions where he gets to

a)be as brutal as he wants b)get smart with his poison c) Use his distrust and skepticism to have him be more analytical

I was writing an itajun fic set in Shibuya arc, and while Megumi, Yuuji, Hana etc forgot to consider maybe Tsumiki could be possessed by a former sorcerer rather than an awakened one in canon, Junpei is NOOOOOOOOOT gonna miss that if he was there. And he doesn't, and when shit hits the fan he's the more prepared one out of the group to handle that. Yes he's the weakest in the group, but that one thing gives him an edge.

That being said, compare anyone to Yuji is kinda unfair considering he's meant to became the strongest in the whole series at least in the future lol.

But something people also tend to forget is that "new awakening" sorcerers by the c.t of Mahito tend to be particulary strong based on what we seen in canon, and Gege doesn't even bother making a complex explanation this, he kinda just does because. I mean just look how high people like Takaba, or even more so Higurama advance in terms of learning skills and control over their new powers.

Junpei could've easily been like that, especially with a technique based on poison which is stated to be really probablematic in the world of Jujutsu. I feel people should capitalize on that rather than make his c.t feel so lame compared to most of his peers.

Not to mention how versatile Moon Dregs showed to be in a brief period of time.

The self-esteem problem part seem like something people interpret as a response to trauma, which is kinda valid but c'mon a lot of times that's also exaggerated and made to the point Junpei feels kinda useless in battle. I get is fair get trauma but this is JJK, the trauma quite literally fuels strenght and power in a way and most characters learn to live with that because is just the reality of the world they live in.

I really love to think Junpei lack of physical training could be compensated not only for usually be on pair with Yuuji, but his own inteligence and own approach to fights being a sneaky and opportunistic player rather go for the front like others do.

But for me these two would be more interesting considering their similar manners, and Chisaki might found interesting how Nine keeps his mask most of the time and is a lot more soft spoken than most villains.

It will be ironic if Kai somehow feels in touch with Nine despite their differences.

I mean according to what I've been learning from Modulo, Yuuji isn't really the same sweet pure boy he once was. He changed a lot in ways one wouldn't expect from him.

That being said, I do agree Yuuji probably has an idealized vision of who Junpei truly was and how he symbolizes his lost innocence and a part of his soul that he wouldn't recover until they meet again.

But at the same time, isn't love always like that in one way or another?

People often create an idealized version of their loved ones, as we are naturally are more willing to stick to the best parts of such person.

Yuuji's would be conflicted with the idea of this innocent boy being used by him just as a replacement of his lost love despite being the same person in essence. Not to mention the problems of being inmortal while Jun isn't.

But at the same time Yuuji wants to be selfish for once and allows himself to at least make this Junpei happy as much as he can.

Is like if ItaJun was Dracula/Nosferatu and less evil.

HELLO HI HELLO. you literally grabbed my thoughts out of my skull and put into words holy shit. I haven't read modulo but ever since i learned yuuji was alive and immortal in it, this exact thought has been PLAGUING me.

I was thinking more along the lines of Yuuji.......kinda obfuscating the truth about how long he actually knew Junpei. Yuuji kinda immediately goes "Hey I knew you in another life" and Junpei ends up thinking they were long-term friends(maybe more) but all they had was one day.

Yuuji's constantly scared it's been enough time for Mahito to reincarnate(or a version of Mahito returning as a curse). He keeps thinking he's going to repeat the cycle again, but also this feels like a second chance.

It's wholesome in that, yay they get to try again. But also kinda dark in that Yuuji's like, hundreds of years old atp and he is hiding the truth of their relationship in the past. Would Yuuji tell him he's immortal? Or would he try to pretend to be what he was hundreds of years ago(this optimistic he barely remembers)?

At first I thought my headcanon for ItaJun in a sequel would be the classic "and both of them reincarnated together" but this one reveal had so much substance and drama potential considering Yuuji's very particular situation.

Indeed! I also think Yuuji would be very reluctant to give Jun (let's call the reincarnation like that to differentiate from the og) a solid answer about their past connection, but the idea of him just going face to face with the reveal in their very first day of meeting again is so in character for Yuuji lol. Even after 80 years parts of him don't change a bit.

Getting back to the point, and something else you said in the tags, is notorious how for someone inmortal a day of meeting a person shouldn't be a big deal all thing considering but for Yuuji that single day with Junpei has been burn into his heart forever and something he still feels like it just barely happen, being an open wound he never recovered. I bet he feels it shouldn't be like that, but that's how true love works and part of the tragedy is that Junpei would have wished to tell him how he felt exactly the same and the day they meet was probably the most important in his life.

But then I bet Jun being able to read Yuuji would come to the logical conclusion of his (boy)friend hiddes more things that he's willing to talk with him. Jun for example could notice how Yuuji has an uncommon knowledge of stuff from past eras, almost as if he lived that and the fact after two years of know each other Yuuji doesn't seem to physically change like any normal teenager should do.

I have some early ideas of how Mahito could play a role in this! Not the way you would expect, but there's no ItaJun without a Mahito lol.

Obviously his true intentions would be expossed in a second when Kai uses Nemoto to interrogate Hawks, but rather to kill him or something Chisaki feels curiosity for the bird and decided to keep him around for a while.

A lot of stuff could happen in between, but I like to think eventually they both will start to sympathize with each others point of view and objective (just like their videogame interaction suggest).