Now--listen-here

Your coworker is correct

He's completely insignificant that's literally why they made him Robin. Because he's supposed to be "relatable", and what these writers considered relatable is an upper class white boy. He's not even that smart considering the standards of the cape business. He's average. Painfully average

That's why Tim is such a square, that's why he's such a suck-up to the status quo. Because he's supposed to be literally just a rich white boy, for everyday rich white boys to project upon.

Especially after Jason, a poor kid who had to resort to crime and is disrespectful to Bruce's white billionaire bullshit (No, Bruce, deporting that rapist won't solve anything, he'll just rape foreign women. Who are also people. Right Bruce? Bruce?!?)

Nolan: I am going to create the most faithful adaptation of the Odyssey of all time!

Me: Oh my that's fantastic! Are you telling me that we are going to finally see the amazing bronze age or early iron age armors, the intricate clothing and the colors and the plumes and...

Nolan: Ppfft! Don't be ridiculous! Actually we did consider that Greek guy that made historical armors but it doesn't matter. We'll just have the same generic designs of armor from Hollywood the past 20 or so years no problem.

Me: But...you said...okay at least we will have Greek actors? You know actually represent the people of the epic poem? Give visibility to them and all?

Nolan: Of course not! Why would I do that? I casted the usual crew that is trending on social media. They are good actors of course!

Me: Oh gosh...will they at least...you know...look like they belong there?

Nolan: Nope. My goal is my film to look like the average day in NY city square! I MIGHT consider some Greek actors...I guess! Maybe...

Me: But?

Nolan: But most likely some random background character that no one will ever see I guess! I mean we still need extras that no one will ever see right?

Me: *wince* But...w-why...I thought... Okay you know what never-mind. Will they at least represent accurately the Mediterranean sea?

Nolan: Meh...I guess...some of it. I mean I despise CGI so if it doesn't look exactly like that well...we will have to cope

Me: But...the Mediterranean is a real region...you can just... Alright please tell me that you will at least follow the plot you know...monsters and gods etc..

Nolan: Of course! Can you have the Odyssey without monsters?

Me: Okay...phew...

Nolan: Buuuuut no gods.

Me: ... excuse me...no gods?

Nolan: But...gods are not real right? I want my film to be realistic!

Me: I thought you said "faithful"...

Nolan: Nope I sure didn't.

Me: So...cyclops is fine...but gods are not...? And that is both "realistic" AND "faithful"...?

Nolan: Oh I ain't removing them completely! They will be like dreams and games of the consciousness of Odysseus! Especially Athena. To teach him a lesson to have faith to the gods.

Me: Odysseus...HAVE FAITH...? Nolan...Odysseus was arguably one of the most religious heroes of all what are you-... Dialogs at least...following the book somehow?

Nolan: Modern dialogs what are you talking about? Totally showing the true length of their characters!

Me: Oh my...like what...!?

Nolan: Odysseus for example; He says that not even gods can stop him in my film! Very IC indeed...

Me: ... Please at least tell me you follow the plot SOMEHOW...come on my man!

Nolan: Sure I mean we start at Ithaca like the Odyssey

Me: Okay...that goes good that's fine..

Nolan: But obviously Penelope will have to be speaking about taking the throne or how unfair life is because we have to be more woman-centric given that Homer clearly didn't care enough to let us know how she feels...

Me: ...

Nolan: I mean we have Mentor and all but do not get too attached... And yeah we do have Ismarus things because of course we need to be realistic and show the evil world of ancient times is but...no Lotus Eaters

Me: Why...?

Nolan: We don't need them! Odysseus will be drugging himself with them at the isle of Calypso...

Me: You know in the Odyssey, Odysseus is not the one using drugs, Nolan...

Nolan: Ah you mean that evil violent husband Menelaus? Well we do want to be more realistic so Menelaus just wants to take his wife back so he scars her...

Me: Menelaus?!...H-Helen...? What on earth...?!

Nolan: Well or make fun of her disfigurment anyways

Me: What the actual fuck...?!

Nolan: Anyway as I was saying...We have the cyclops obviously. You can't have the Odyssey without him...

Me: True...and that ingenious plan of the "Nobody" introduction...

Nolan: Hahaha no we are not doing that!

Me: ...

Me: Excuse me...what?!

Nolan: But of course! It doesn't fit as a pun for English speakers! See how much respect I show to the Greeks?

Me: But...how can you have an Odyssey without...like what's next?! That we will have Odysseus actually spare some of the suitors, Circe not being a seductress and like...what? No bed recognition scene!? Hahahahaha

Nolan: I mean...exactly.

Me: Wait...WHAT?!

Nolan: And maybe I am going to kill off one or two people during the Siren passage...

Me: ...

Nolan: Now that I think about it maybe just maybe the Greek language will be used as a "foreign language" you know...because no one understands it and all

Me: The original language...of the poem...? The one the heroes are supposed to speak too...will be symbolizing a....

Nolan: And Odysseus and Penelope will sail together for symbolism in the end maybe! I told you it is a realistic adaptation! The most faithful Odyssey so far!

Me: okay no offense, Chris...but...have you...in fact read any of the book with your own two eyes?

Nolan: But of course! I even have a favorite translator...

Me: Well I'll be damned...

Nolan: I told you! The most FAITHFUL adaptation. Hardly any difference from the book! Picturing the culture it represents perfectly!

Me: Right....

Nolan: And of course you know cinematography and music are gonna be simply...epic.

Sounds like a very good summery of many of the issues I heard this movie has. Essentially he spits on Greeks once more that he actually DID hire Greeks (which doesn't surprise me, we are everywhere after all) which shows he could as easily as he breathes hire Greek actors to portray their legends but nope let's just hire them to play background characters that hardly anyone would remember and worse let us make the actual language that the poem was written as as a "foreign language" and every Greek person playing either a disposable person or a villain (yeah somehow that is NOT problematic apparently)

Also denying the historical continuity by implying that we stopped existing somehow? That the bronze age people even though proven by archeological data to be Greek, are actually the past and the modern Greek people are not connected to their ancient past (which is literally what every racist fuck wrote about Greeks throughout the centuries, one being a certain due in 19th century that watched Greeks dying at a war for independence and basically was like that no no bother "there is not a single drop of Greek blood to Greeks anymore!") yeah not problematic at all again...

Also yes once again the actors instead of just you know go by the trend that ok yeah we worked in a film we had fun, we earned shitton of money but yeah okay we understand that this is not actual cultural recreation. Nonono, we have Lupita (who also claims never to have truly read and analyzed Homer) to say "oh I would love to see Homer reacting now that we finally give his women voice!" (in the arguably most woman-centric poem ever like most of the main characters or plot changers are women!) and others allegedly saying stuff like "no Penelope is literally choosing" or "yeah I wouldn't say that exactly...actually no I would" etc and even people be like "well ACTUALLY Homer too" lol

(Show jumping and Barrel Racing respectively)

AND their horses are lesbians

one of your recent posts made me remember that batman only affiliates with heroes/vigilantes if they're useful to his cause. in the case of ragman, batman was going after him criticizing his existence (for no reason, at the time the suit of rags wasn't as sentient and bloodthirsty until years later), until a large group of civilians gathered to protect ragman from the bat, after that batman "approved" his work

you can't look at me in the eyes and tell me batman wasn't using the fact that ragman was liked by the public for his own interests. ragman was never even seen as a hero or vigilante but as a protector, batman saw that and wanted some of that pie

and i'm only using ragman as example because at the time he was just a guy wearing a costume made out of rags operating in the slums of gotham, with other characters its a bit more obvious what batman can gain from attaching his own name to theirs (not the other way around, but he's got good pr so people would assume the others are using batman's name for their own gain)

I just saw excerpts from a comic the other day where the trinity are arguing about what to do about a betrayal by someone superman picked because Clark was giving memberships out to every self proclaimed hero and vigilante fighting to do good he came across, and while Diana was reasonably like "let's just be more discerning and put more thorough background checks in place" Bruce was adamant that they do thorough investigations into the whole league, including people who had been operating with them for years and have already proved themselves to be trustworthy. Clark brings up the obvious point about violations of privacy and Bruce doesn't care because the people around him are peices to be moved to achieve a goal first and teammates second. This comes through especially in Tims birthday torment nexus comic where that mindset is exactly what Bruce is hoping to sow in Tim by creating distrust for his teammates. It's also what makes Dicks style of leadership different (read: better). Dick is still prone to imposing his view of what's best or morally right on the people around him, but at the end of the day he trusts his team wholeheartedly to have his back. You see this in the difference between Bruce's contingencies for his teammates (kept secret from the other members, relies on as few other people for help implementing as possible, has not given anyone on the team a contingency for himself) vs Dick's (everyone is aware that there are contingencies, every teammate has someone else's contingency based on their strengths and weaknesses, the Titans all trust each other not to abuse the power they have over each other because there is an equal distribution of power). It doesn't bear saying that this distinction is one of the many things that makes Nightwing a better leader than Batman, if not a better hero - both things Bruce himself has admitted readily. Something to be said here about Bruce's parenting style, but that's a bit off topic.

Like, Damian and Jon run into Talia for some reason and this is the first time that Jon’s meeting her (ik what happened the actual first time that Jon met her, but I choose to ignore that because I don’t like when they villainize Talia and also Jon was like 10). Anyway, as soon as he sees her, Jon’s staring and getting all flustered and tripping over his own feet. Damian starts to get annoyed because that’s his mom and he thinks Jon has a little crush on her or something. In reality, Jon’s entire inner monologue is just ‘oh my god, Damian looks just like her. He looks just like her, he kinda looks like a girl. Well, not a girl, he’s a boy, but he’s pretty like a girl. Wait, since when do I think Damian’s pretty? Am I going crazy? No, I’m not going crazy he’s definitely really pretty. Plus, he looks like his mom and she’s really pretty so that means that Damian is pretty too. Actually, I think that Damian’s prettier than her. Should I tell him that? No, I shouldn’t say that. Should I?’

Jon doesn’t wind up saying anything and is completely lost as to why Damian’s all pissy with him later.

Jon: “???? Since when do I have a crush on your mom????”

Damian: “I saw the way you looked at her...”

Jon: “Yeah that's because you guys have the same exact face! I don't think you realize how pretty you are and how distracting it can be!”

Damian:

Damian: “You think I'm pretty?”