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oooh can you tell us about pronouns I noticed that hym 👀
ah hehe our host uses it/hy/shy/rot/any,,, hy hym hys prns are like,, well shy thinks of them a softer version of he prns,, some of our angelmates use them as well,, is that what this ask meant?
I think our biggest gripes with the origin label discourse and the general community bend towards "you must categorize yourself under one of two boxes, and the other box is evil" are:
The assumption that experiences have an objective, fundamental truth that allows perfect sorting
The assumption that experiences and understandings of those experiences also never change- that if you can sort yourself into a box, then you should live there forever.
The general "us versus them" of the whole thing.
Point one: experiences of self, identity, consciousness, etc. are all very fuzzy, subjective concepts at the moment. We've yet to pin down what even makes a person conscious, let alone what a person's "I" is. I'm not confident that an objective truth of the self exists.
Maybe some meatspace things do have a usefully objective truth, though more often than not it's filtered through human definitions like anything else- if this desk is a meter long, then how big is a meter, and is a meter truly an objective measurement? Who made it?
What's a person? What's a self? Are those things the same, or different? Where do I end, and where do you begin? Ask ten people and you'll get ten different answers. That's the beauty of it. We don't fully know.
Point two: People change all the time. We are always having new and different experiences in life, and those can shape how you see yourself over time. We used to exclusively see ourselves as a medicalized, psychology-based system. We see ourselves a lot more holistically now, but our life experiences are still just as much a factor as any woo-woo spirituality we experience. That's a change that breaks boxes.
We are not the only system who's changed how they understand themselves over time. Spirituality, medical psychology, and other frameworks are neither mutually exclusive nor fixed in place. Like the framework of plurality, they're a way to understand the world and your experiences in it. They're an attempt to make sense of it all. If it's not working, put it down and try something else.
Point three: it's slowly improving, but the average Joe still has no idea plural people exist outside of horror movie serial killers and shock stories. They don't think they'll ever meet a multiple, and if they do, they're still using Multiple Personality Disorder as a label for it regardless of the system's actual experiences.
We have bigger problems than each other. Biting each other's throats won't help us any more than infighting and scapegoating has helped in any other community. The fact that we're still fighting over this in one form or another 20 years later is depressing.
normal: feeling like the world is foggy or unreal after stepping out of a cinema, or getting off a plane
not normal: feeling like the world is foggy frequently (sometimes without cause)
normal: feeling like nothing is real after you’ve just heard some big news (positive or negative), or while grieving
not normal: feeling like nothing is real frequently (sometimes without cause or in a broad range of situations)
normal: feeling like the people around you aren’t real when in a crowd or on a busy street
not normal: feeling like the people around you aren’t real frequently — even your friends and family
normal: feeling like the whole world is in 2D when you’re sick or experiencing a fever
not normal: feeling like the whole world is in 2D when there’s nothing else going on in your body
normal: losing touch with reality after reading an amazing book or watching a long film or experiencing some other immersive media
not normal: losing touch with reality frequently, to the point that you can’t keep up with your own life
just like other parts of dissociation, derealisation is on a spectrum. everyone experiences it from time to time. when it becomes a problem is when it gets in the way of your life and completing your daily tasks
There's a paradox in a lot of plural spaces. System kids are welcome, but only if they're Literal Children who stay in child-only soft boxes where they can be ignored. If a kid wants to have an adult conversation, then they're spoken over, pushed away, or otherwise discounted more often than not- and if they're accepted, then it's often at the cost of expecting them to have absolutely no childlike qualities to "prove" that they're mature enough to stay around. We even see this pattern within systems sometimes.
What are systems without adult members supposed to do if the only place system kids can talk is in the Super Soft Safe Box? What about system kids who want to talk about theoretical physics or drugs or sex or a thousand other taboos? What about kids who function as adults? And what about system kids who are kids but don't want to live their lives in the Super Soft Safe Box like the world expects them to?
Acceptance of system kids as being wildly different from each other in mindset and ability is improving, but we still have a long way to go in treating system kids with a shred of respect and decency in wider plural spaces.
Not to mention... why is there so much intense focus on mental age as some universal concept in the first place? It feels like a lot of the plural community takes the concept of mental age as a given without considering where that idea comes from, how it affects how they treat others, and how it interacts with systemic discrimination and ableism. It can sometimes be a useful construct if approached critically, but I see so little critical thought about it.
If you want some reading on the topic, one of the articles cited is worth at least a skim- it's a fairly good surface overview of eugenics and its tie to IQ/mental age, immigration, racism, ableism, etc.
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There's a subtle sort of discrimination to how a lot of plural spaces treat system kids/littles. Especially those in adult bodies, or with a particularly large gap from their body's age.
"Littles must always be supervised in online spaces or else they'll bother adults and be preyed upon." "There must be an adult in your system if you're bodily an adult- they should handle life while the kids go away to never be seen by adults again. Littles should only talk to other littles. Anything else is unsafe and sometimes pedophilic. Right?" "Littles shouldn't be in charge. They're supposed to be cared for by everyone else and kept out of sight." "You're welcome here! You just have to only ever talk in the Baby Zone that no adults ever visit to talk to you. Yeah, it's empty and no one will answer. But you want to talk, right?" "Sorry sweetie, the adults are talking and you can't be here. Even if you're capable of understanding, consenting, etc. You're not allowed to be here with us if you're not a real adult." "Littles can't take care of themselves or handle any adult responsibilities, ever!" "Is there an adult I can talk to?"
Blue, an anthro cat sitting down, looks angry at the above phrases.
What are adult-bodied systems with no "brain adults" supposed to do? Drawing of a family of stick figures, all of whom are either child-short or hunching to be shorter.
What about systems whose caretakers are their children? Systems where there is no older person to supervise? Systems finding ways to live an adult life when no one inside aligns with it? What are you supposed to do when a 5-year-old does your taxes and drives you home?
"Just grow up." Do I get a choice, or are you ripping that away from me too?
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Why is "mental age" the bar people are using to decide whether someone is worthy of autonomy and respect, anyway? Where does the concept of mental age come from in the first place, and why does it exist?
From Wilson, R. A. (2024). Eugenic Thinking and the Cognitive Sciences. In M. C. Frank & A. Majid (Eds.), Open Encyclopedia of Cognitive Science. MIT Press. https://doi.org/10.21428/e2759450.c9a5f080:
"Eugenic traits:
Prominent among the eugenic traits found in sterilization laws were those concerning cognitive ability and mental health. These traits, ordered in terms of their frequency in U.S. state and Canadian provincial sterilization laws, included feeble-mindedness, insanity, epilepsy, criminality, imbecility, idiocy, sexual perversion (or depravity), mental unfitness (or deficiency), and moral depravity (or degeneracy). As this listing suggests, these laws especially targeted those perceived to have some kind of cognitive limitation or psychiatric condition on the grounds that they were unfit and would propagate these eugenic traits to their children; approximately 70% of all eugenic traits mentioned in sexual sterilization laws in the United States and Canada concerned cognitive ability or mental health. Given this, there was a clear role for psychologists in programs of eugenic sterilization, given their expertise in psychological testing (Rose, 1985). Such testing and subsequent sterilization were conducted through emerging forms of institutionalization, such as “training schools for the feeble-minded,” especially as eugenics gained state-level backing (Miller et al., 2015).
One of the roles of psychologists was to develop ways to measure those who were cognitively or psychiatrically subnormal. Emerging intelligence tests were adapted to quantify and classify those deemed “feeble-minded”or “mentally deficient” (Thomson, 1998; Trent, 1994). Binet’s famous test of intelligence, for example, incorporated the more specific existing folk categories of “imbecile” and “idiot,” adapting these to designate developmentally delayed children with mental ages, respectively, of 3–7 and 2 years. Following the translation of Binet’s test from French into English by Henry Goddard in 1908, “moron” was coined in 1910 to pick out those in the general population with a putatively fixed mental age of 8–12 years. This resulted in a three-tiered schema of intellectual subnormality—moron, imbecile, idiot—that came to be widely used in the eugenics movement.
In the hands of the psychologist Lewis Terman, what became the Stanford-Binet test initially was deployed in selecting army recruits near the end of World War I (1914–1918) before being used on the general population. The three-tiered scheme was accordingly fed into the newly minted idea of an intelligence quotient (IQ) that remains with us 100 years on, with the fixed mental ages of moron, imbecile, and idiot mapped onto standard deviations from a normalized IQ of 100. From the 1920s, these tests were widely used to identify children who were candidates for eugenic sterilization, whether they were already housed in segregated institutions or within the regular school system or general community."
From Asilverm, & Asilverm. (n.d.). What’s My Age Again: Why Mental Age Theory Hurts People with Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities. Retrieved May 31, 2026, from https://www.disabilitywisdom.com/2018/12/21/whats-my-age-again-why-mental-age-theory-hurts-people-with-intellectual-and-developmental-disabilities/:
The concept of “mental age” was first introduced by Alfred Binet, co-creator of the first IQ tests, in the early twentieth century. Generally, “mental age” has been measured by comparing an individual’s score on a standardized IQ test with the average performance of their same-age peers. For people with IDD, “mental age” may also be estimated by comparing the person’s demonstrated physical, speech, adaptive or cognitive skills against the average for various age groups.
Not surprisingly, “mental age” came about alongside the eugenics movement in the United States. Mental ages were used to classify various groups of “feebleminded” individuals by severity: Adults with a mental age of 9-12 years were classified as “morons”; those with a mental age of 6-8 years were classified as “imbeciles”; and those with a mental age of 2-5 were classified as “idiots.” Individuals from any of these groups were thought unfit to reproduce."
A drawing of Blue looks annoyed and concerned. It's labelled, "TFW it's eugenics again. :("
Oh yeah. Why is it always eugenics?
To be clear: I'm not saying anyone is ableist or practicing eugenics for having a sense of their own internal age. I am pointing out how systemic ableism affects how system kids are treated, how the concept of mental age stems from ableism in the first place, and how terribly many cultures treat children and deemed-children to begin with: how children and disabled people are often regarded as objects, burdens, or annoyances who don't know enough to have a say about their own needs. Is this really how we want to assume all system kids should be treated? How anyone should be treated?
How much of how system kids are treated ties back to some form of ableism, in the end? I wonder about this a lot and I feel like I never see people talk about it.
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thanks. I'm having a bit of trouble putting that definition into your boundary words to understand properly, does that mean that "inquire before initiating source calls / discussion" means you don't want people to assume that being from the same source means you're automatically friends/know each other already? and they should ask if you're cool with it before just chatting with you about your source?
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🪳 — Does anyone with a "problematic"/"bad" source identify with their "problematic"/"bad" actions from source?
🤍 — Is there anyone who has a distinctly different voice/accent than the rest?
🪒 — Is there anyone who's probably bigender but is putting off thinking about it? If so, why?
🅱️ — is there anyone that people outside of the system perceive as intimidating but inside the system is just seen as a silly guy? (/gender neutral)
⭐ — are there any headmates who when fronting cause your energy/spoons to drain faster than others?
🟩🚫 — is there anyone who spends most of their time fronting complaining about missing their s/o from source?
🌹 — has anyone had to explain queerphobia to another headmate?
🌸 — is there anyone who either fronts super frequently or you don't see for months and months on end?
🚂 — is there a resident RPF freak™? (/sil)
🍋 — is there a resident Swiftie?
🔋 — is there one double that is distinctly different from the other doubles of their source?
🌫️ — anyone who really shouldn't have any kids, have any kids?
🩰 — anyone who's entire personality is formed around a hobby you picked up briefly in childhood but never gained an actual interest in? If so, what's the hobby?
🦴 — if you have individual playlists, who's is the longest runtime wise?
🏷️ — anyone who uses unconventional first person pronouns (something other than I/me/myself/etc)
🎻🎵 — anyone sourced from a fanfiction?
🪞 — you got any uhhhhh.... Manipulative MILFS?
🗿 — anyone get reformed in an... unconventional manner?
🚨 — anyone front triggered by Emergency Service Alarms or other similar alarm systems?
🎵 — anyone form while you were hospitalized (for anything)?
🎻 — anyone who is the exact complete opposite of their source in every way possible, but still identifies with it?
🏥 — have you ever accidentally deleted a fully made profile (on anything) for a headmate and had to remake it from scratch?
♋ — anyone from a source you don't know have a high ranking/very important role within your system?
🩷 — anyone who bears a strong resemblance to a character but is not sourced from them in any way shape or form?
🖊️ — anyone who has "no concept of emotions"? (whatever that may mean to you)
🦪 — has anyone been forcemasc'd?
🪸 — anyone who picked an emoji/symbol/name/etc just because they liked the way it looked, and not for any real reason?
🐸 — anyone communicate either primarily or entirely in [a] random sounds? And if so can anyone understand them?
🚥 — anyone who is most definitely queer but is refusing to admit it?
🍄 — has anyone gotten you banned from a specific website or app?
🍴 — does anyone type in a different font as a typing quirk?
🐮 — do you have anyone who shifts through face claims and apparences frequently? (not including multisourced folk)
🌲 — is anyone's emoji/sign off/front indicator an inside joke from their source?
📼 — is there anyone who's only like 80% sure of their source but still goes with it like it's fact anyways?
🦋 — is there anyone who enjoys math but isn't particularly good at it?
💣 — is there a lesbian who's obsessed with [a] fictional men?
♎ — is there anyone who when fronting with other people makes pain worse but when fronting alone makes pain lessen?
🌋 — anyone who is almost constantly crying? If so, why? Is it a disorder? An aesthetic choice? A trauma response? Something else?
🎙️ — do you have any tween/early teens gatekeepers?
🎤 — do you have any introjects from a series you haven't touched but was popular with your friends?
🧽 — do you have anyone who has an endless appetite when fronting? And what are their favourite food(s)?
🐲 — has anyone woke you up in the middle of the night to announce their presence then proceeded to never front again?
🥝 — is there any who is unreasonably funny for who their source is?
🔞 — is anyone addicted to candy crush (or similar styles of games)?
🍦 — is there anyone who's "just happy to along for the ride :)"?
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We Are A Diagnosed Traumagenic DID System
We Are Pro Endogenic And You Will Not Change Our Mind
If You Harass Us You Give Us Consent To Harass You Back
have YOU ever thought like this?????? i know WE hate the current plural diagnostics!!!! so! WE MADE OUR OWN!!!!!!!
it's 44 questions long, you can receive a total of 50 points!
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HOLY HELL??? 300???? CHAT??? LADIES GENTS AND OCTOPI????
I mean- WOW. I'm SO grateful for one holy FREAK, I know since this isnt what i post full-time a lot of people only come around for these silly comics, and it means a lot when yall do. If ive said it once ive said it 40 times, but even though we do these for ourselves its nice to see folks in the tags and comments sharing their stories, even if we dont reply, we see every one (and even screenshot some to keep!)
Is there... a way we can give back? Something youd like to see more of?
one day grace hurts his right hand somehow and he's all upset bc he's like gosh dang it now i have to do everything left-handed. and rocky's like ?????still have other hand?? and grace explains the idea of dominant hands and rocky is like. you only have two hands. the FUCK do you mean only one of them can do anything
yay for so many plural blogs! lotta people making comics about being plural! an we are making friends an chatting about plural stuff an is nice! we like it here ^-^
- @multiple-octopods
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Yeah I love all the plural blogs that exist too! I was debating about making my own plural comic blog, but my art skills aren't the best-
Hi! I'm good! I been out LOTTA the day today, prety much ever sinse we got home from work. I do soooo much frontings, probly the most of everyone sept Prime. we gots a joke that's maybe I'M the default aspen steada Prime cos of how much frontings I do an how easy I come fronts
is Lucy a he/him girl? or a boy, or a difrent gender? I'm a girl with she her pronous an Toddolier isn't sure if he hasa gender but defnitly not a girl or a man, an Morning Glory issa she but she isnt a girl or a woman she's a kinda a dryad plant person an Journathan is a he him lesbian but maybe not a woman and defnity not a girl
have YOU ever thought like this?????? i know WE hate the current plural diagnostics!!!! so! WE MADE OUR OWN!!!!!!!
it's 44 questions long, you can receive a total of 50 points!
it's unfortunately hosted through google forms for now unless we find something better...
*Due to how Google Forms is built, your "System Percentage" is shown as your amount of correct answers.
Plural systems typically get a score
we are not doctors, do not take your result as medical advice.
feel free to reblog with your result!
note: if you're a system and got under 30, let us know! the 30 points minimum is based solely off of, like, five non-system takers. we're working on getting a bigger sample size!
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oh that's very interesting. I think that the visuals you can see in physical space do count as hallucinations, but they also sound quite cool, especially that it can be a way for headmates to hang out and be able to see each other.
curiosity that's hard to word, how... real? do those feel? I guess both in terms of realistic visuals, and in terms of, you think they're physically there when they're not. is it kind of like a 3D projection from sci fi?
this makes sense, thanks for answering our question!
putting it like a HUD is a clever solution that sounds way easier than making it sit in one spot. and so does making it simpler stead of rendering alllllll the details!
xD an walking into sombody cos you thinked they were a hallucination is funny. probly its not fun but it is still kinda funny
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